The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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What did they conceal? They have every right to a nuclear program under the NNPT and the JCPOA.

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They concealed the extent of their nuclear weapons development.

1. Iran's goal: getting the protection offered by nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

2. United States goal: Iran NOT getting the protection offered by nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

These are incompatible, and the agreements allowed for the first and not the second. Iran was on the way to becoming the next North Korea in terms of being a nuclear threat. This was not going to be solved by "agreements."

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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Norway cannot fully defend itself alone against a major power like Russia but is capable of defending its territory through NATO membership, highly advanced specialized forces, and strategic deterrence. As a key NATO northern flank member, Norway uses the F-35 fighter jets, advanced surveillance, and close alliances with the US and UK to protect its extensive coastline and Arctic interests.

Costa Rica cannot defend itself against a conventional foreign military invasion, as it abolished its standing army in 1949. Instead, it relies on a public police force, international law, and regional security agreements (often with the U.S.) to maintain security. Defense is focused on policing, anti-narcotics, and border security.

As of March 2026, Gulf Arab states (GCC)particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE)have significantly bolstered their self-defense capabilities, demonstrating high interception rates against Iranian-backed drone and missile attacks. While traditionally reliant on the US security umbrella, these nations have heavily invested in diversifying their arsenal and building, in some cases, domestic defense industries, though they remain heavily dependent on Western imports.

Your utopian states sure seem to be dependent on the US

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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And who defends them? Norway is a founding member of NATO.

Costa Rica has several treaties with the US and are in cooperation.

Gulf Arabs? The 5th Fleet is in Baharain.

These are legit examples, but what gives them the ability to have those arrangements is the US military and our traditional position of defending our allies. You have to have a US to step up and play that role to do what they do. You guys went nuts going after Globalism when Obama *******ized it.

Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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I said - Obama bastradized it. Clinton started it with NAFTA.

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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And who defends them? Norway is a founding member of NATO.

Costa Rica has several treaties with the US and are in cooperation.

Gulf Arabs? The 5th Fleet is in Baharain.

These are legit examples, but what gives them the ability to have those arrangements is the US military and our traditional position of defending our allies. You have to have a US to step up and play that role to do what they do. You guys went nuts going after Globalism when Obama *******ized it.

Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word...

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So if the argument is yes, these countries are great but only bcs the US is their sugar daddy..... why are American tax payers ok with other countries having superior quality of life at our expense?

Could it be because our politicians dont actually work for their constituents?... and if one does attempt to represent the people like Thomas Massie, jews will spend hundreds of millions of dollars slandering him and campaigning against him

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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And who defends them? Norway is a founding member of NATO.

Costa Rica has several treaties with the US and are in cooperation.

Gulf Arabs? The 5th Fleet is in Baharain.

These are legit examples, but what gives them the ability to have those arrangements is the US military and our traditional position of defending our allies. You have to have a US to step up and play that role to do what they do. You guys went nuts going after Globalism when Obama *******ized it.

Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word...

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So if the argument is yes, these countries are great but only bcs the US is their sugar daddy..... why are American tax payers ok with other countries having superior quality of life at our expense?

Could it be because our politicians dont actually work for their constituents?... and if one does attempt to represent the people like Thomas Massie, jews will spend hundreds of millions of dollars slandering him and campaigning against him

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Why? Because we get the Reserve Currency, set the rules, and have been very lucrative. So, yes it is a two way street.

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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So if you had to choose between cutting Social Security and Medicare or not spending money on hardware and munitions for wars of choice, which would you choose?

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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Name the country(ies) that have a better system.

I'll wait.

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Norway.

Their sovereign wealth fund is worth over 2 trillion and their citizens get free healthcare, free college, and pensions to all its citizens and they have robust free speech laws. Tax rate is similar to US but they at least abolished the death tax.

Costa Rica.

Low taxes. Protected Free Speech. One of the most beautiful countries on Earth.

The Gulf Arabs.

Their citizens don't pay taxes. If I didn't pay taxes, I'd have very little to complain about. Living in the desert sucks, but they all have second homes all over Europe and Asia they where they spend most of their time.

This is all off the top of my head without consulting with Chat GPT... but I'm sure you could add many more to the list.

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Norway cannot fully defend itself alone against a major power like Russia but is capable of defending its territory through NATO membership, highly advanced specialized forces, and strategic deterrence. As a key NATO northern flank member, Norway uses the F-35 fighter jets, advanced surveillance, and close alliances with the US and UK to protect its extensive coastline and Arctic interests.

Costa Rica cannot defend itself against a conventional foreign military invasion, as it abolished its standing army in 1949. Instead, it relies on a public police force, international law, and regional security agreements (often with the U.S.) to maintain security. Defense is focused on policing, anti-narcotics, and border security.

As of March 2026, Gulf Arab states (GCC)particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE)have significantly bolstered their self-defense capabilities, demonstrating high interception rates against Iranian-backed drone and missile attacks. While traditionally reliant on the US security umbrella, these nations have heavily invested in diversifying their arsenal and building, in some cases, domestic defense industries, though they remain heavily dependent on Western imports.

Your utopian states sure seem to be dependent on the US

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So your argument is in essence... yeah you're right these countries have a better system, but its only because US tax payers are their unwilling slaves.

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

---

France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

---

The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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So if you had to choose between cutting Social Security and Medicare or not spending money on hardware and munitions for wars of choice, which would you choose?

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Both and, not one or the other. Social Security and Medicare should be phased out entirely (it would take some time), military spending should be reduced where reasonable, but we still need to spend a boatload on the military because we don't want any of our enemies miscalculating our strength. We also need our friends to pull their own weight a little more.

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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I said - Obama bastradized it. Clinton started it with NAFTA.

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In my studies of the Middle East, the first major shift from Globalism as an ideal to something else actually started in 1972, when Great Britain handed over protection of the Gulf to the United States.

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President Nixon, who was also hounded and sabotaged by the left, understood Iran better than the entire Carter foreign policy team.

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Trump's war of choice of never ending wars is working out really well. . Dow down another 1000 premarket, Oil over $100 as gulf producers are cutting production because they are full and they can't get through the Strait. Oh, and we are spending $2B a day. Can we afford that? Sorry farmers, Trump effed you again. Hard to grow crops with no fertilizer.

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The U.S. was “dismayed” at the scale of Israel’s massive airstrikes against Iranian fuel infrastructure last night, believe that it would “backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime” -Axios pic.twitter.com/bZhHjd6MxS

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 8, 2026

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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I said - Obama bastradized it. Clinton started it with NAFTA.

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In my studies of the Middle East, the first major shift from Globalism as an ideal to something else actually started in 1972, when Great Britain handed over protection of the Gulf to the United States.

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It started with the Marshall Plan.

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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I said - Obama bastradized it. Clinton started it with NAFTA.

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In my studies of the Middle East, the first major shift from Globalism as an ideal to something else actually started in 1972, when Great Britain handed over protection of the Gulf to the United States.

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It started with the Marshall Plan.

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We are going back real far! I was talking more modern times. Pre WW2 was a different world.

I can see 72, after the Suez crisis. Officially for the Gulf wasn't it 1980 when Carter said any attack in the Gulf would be an attack on the US?

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US envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are set to arrive in Israel on Tuesday.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/v4hZ9mfqTB

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 8, 2026

The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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So if you had to choose between cutting Social Security and Medicare or not spending money on hardware and munitions for wars of choice, which would you choose?

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Both and, not one or the other. Social Security and Medicare should be phased out entirely (it would take some time), military spending should be reduced where reasonable, but we still need to spend a boatload on the military because we don't want any of our enemies miscalculating our strength. We also need our friends to pull their own weight a little more.

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The fact that you equate spending on wars of choice with spending on Social Security and Medicare indicates to me that you should refrain from questioning the intelligence of others and worry about your own.

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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So if you had to choose between cutting Social Security and Medicare or not spending money on hardware and munitions for wars of choice, which would you choose?

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Both and, not one or the other. Social Security and Medicare should be phased out entirely (it would take some time), military spending should be reduced where reasonable, but we still need to spend a boatload on the military because we don't want any of our enemies miscalculating our strength. We also need our friends to pull their own weight a little more.

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The fact that you equate spending on wars of choice with spending on Social Security and Medicare indicates to me that you should refrain from questioning the intelligence of others and worry about your own.

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Money is money. Social Security, Medicare and military spending account for more than half the federal budget. If you are going to get control of the budget, you will have to cut those areas. This just seems kind of obvious.

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Iran didn't disregard the nuclear agreement. We disregarded it and refused an even better agreement that was on the table a week ago.

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It depends on what the meaning of the word "disregard" is.

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Well, I think we both know what that is. It's the word you use when you want to say "violate" but you can't.

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If what Iran did in concealing its nuclear program wasn't a violation of the agreement, then the agreement would not seem to be worth much.

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Does our government know where and how many nukes Israel has?

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Israel doesn't have nukes, but they will only use them in the event of an existential threat to their nation.

More seriously, we may or may not know exactly how many weapons Israel has or exactly where they are, but Israel's weapons do not pose a threat to us in the same way that the UK's weapons do not pose a threat to us. Do we know where all the French nuclear weapons are?

The assumption behind your question is that Israel offers the same threat to the United States as the Islamic Republic. They are not comparable.

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France and the UK are signees of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act.

Does Israel or Iran offer the same threat? This is where the generational divide comes, most people under 40 feel Boomers overstate the threat Iran poses to America and refuse to even acknowledge the threat Israel poses to America. Boomers have been indoctrinated into believing Israel is "our greatest ally" when they have betrayed America many times.

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When people show you who they are for a half century, as Iran has, you should start to believe them.

The youngest of these "boomers" you speak of are over 60 years old. The under 40 crowd you esteem so much tend to think socialism is a good idea, too, perhaps because they are too young to actually have a clue what it does, perhaps because they are stupid.

If you think that Israel and Iran offer the same threat to the United States, you are a moron, just like you are a moron if you think that socialism is a good idea.

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Judging by the amount of tax dollars that have been squandered on Israel alone, they are a threat to the American people's prosperity.

No other country has taken so much and given back to little in return. It feels less symbiotic and more like we are a vassal state sending tribute to our Masters.

To address your strawman, no communism doesnt work... but neither does whatever we are living in today as evidenced by the 40 trillion dollar historic debt-to-GDP.

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We give about 3.8 billion annually to Israel, which they use mostly to purchase American military hardware. This represents about .22 percent of the federal budget deficit. We would have to increase our aid to them 4 or 5 times its current level to get to one percent of the deficit. That is not a threat to our prosperity. To quote Senator Kennedy, "You may not be the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die."

We get technology from them, too, and good stuff. It is not a one-way street.

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So what if you only blew 20 grand on strippers?... it's only 1% of your net worth!

The fact that you have to keep calling me dumb rather than letting your argument speak for itself is very telling.

Besides America spends a lot more defending Israel than 4 billion per year.

Its very fair to say after this past week the majority of the 1 trillion dollar defense budget is used to serve Israeli interests.

We are currently spending 2 billion a day!!!

Before the Iran war, we had spent 40 billion since Oct 7th.

All the foreign aid to Jordan and Egypt is for Israel.

There was no referendum asking the American people if they supported this war and I'd like to think a lot of congressmen are going to lose their jobs in November over voting against the war powers act but this country is so incredibly corrupt I doubt much will change.

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The next time we have a referendum for a war will be the first time ever.

I don't have to call you dumb, your argument that U.S. spending on aid for Israel is a threat to our prosperity does that without my help. All foreign aid, military and otherwise, generally account for less than one percent of the federal budget.

Any "threats to our prosperity" related to overspending come from our own military spending and government handouts like social security and Medicare.

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So if you had to choose between cutting Social Security and Medicare or not spending money on hardware and munitions for wars of choice, which would you choose?

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Both and, not one or the other. Social Security and Medicare should be phased out entirely (it would take some time), military spending should be reduced where reasonable, but we still need to spend a boatload on the military because we don't want any of our enemies miscalculating our strength. We also need our friends to pull their own weight a little more.

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The fact that you equate spending on wars of choice with spending on Social Security and Medicare indicates to me that you should refrain from questioning the intelligence of others and worry about your own.

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Money is money. Social Security, Medicare and military spending account for more than half the federal budget. If you are going to get control of the budget, you will have to cut those areas. This just seems kind of obvious.

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I can think of few things that have been done in the last several years to control Medicare spending... what has been done to control military spending?

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FLBear: " Globalism used to mean free and open trading lanes that we all cooperated to keep operating. The US military was positioned to maintain these arrangements. Now it is a dirty word."

So think that through. The meaning changed over time. Do you recognize when, by whom, and why?

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I said - Obama bastradized it. Clinton started it with NAFTA.

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In my studies of the Middle East, the first major shift from Globalism as an ideal to something else actually started in 1972, when Great Britain handed over protection of the Gulf to the United States.

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It started with the Marshall Plan.

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We are going back real far! I was talking more modern times. Pre WW2 was a different world.

I can see 72, after the Suez crisis. Officially for the Gulf wasn't it 1980 when Carter said any attack in the Gulf would be an attack on the US?

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