TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Don't pull that *****.. You put out there it was planned for years. Let's hear the plan?
I cannot help but wonder why you imagine you imagine that your hysteria will come across as a rational request for clarity.
To the matter of Iran, the specific plan is for obvious reasons kept away from discussion. The point is, the men making the decisions include and are led by the top officers in our military.
The Pentagon has wargamed all predictable military conflicts for over a century. The attack on Pearl Harbor, for example, was famously wargamed by Billy Mitchell in 1921 and included in a detailed report in 1924. The 2011 raid which killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan was also wargamed weeks in advance. The United States is well aware of Iran's hatred for us, and certainly every major condition in a conflict has been wargamed. If you want to deny this, that would say more about you than help your case.
The United States has a number of tools available to effect major change in Iran. We have economic, military, diplomatic, logistic and geographical opportunities which apply regardless of how the Jihadists want to act.
Again, you can pretend we are just blundering around, or like Sam you can pretend the generals from the Bush Administration are somehow running things. That also is not a good look for you, but you do you.
It always amazes me when I hear the gullible and naive say things like "our leaders aren't smart enough to know that or consider that". It's actually laughable. Our government has think-tanks plotting all kinds of scenarios, both economic and militarily. Very bright minds, and real world economists who actually know the real economics. Not the media economics. And when it comes to economics, our Feds absolutely know what will happen when they enact certain policies and pull certain economic levers. The outcomes are predictable. And our society is duped by the media into thinking that inflation is happenstance, immigration doesn't push wages lower for the average American, and so on.
Politics is a charade, where it's the establishment class and media working for the globalists, not the people. That is why Republicans will never deliver on key items to their constituency. The average American is tired of globalists sinking our quality of life and standard of living so they vote for the red party that is supposed to fight the globalists. Of course they don't, they just put lipstick on a pig and say they're doing something. And unfortunately, the dems are worse, so the globalists have us in a system that is mostly controlled, where our options are fast path to socialism or a slightly slower path to socialism, but all globalism. If a US congress politician goes against that, they are just removed by the system. People hoped Trump would be different. He has been, but it's not obvious he's as committed as he once seemed.
If I didn't know better, I'd say it's almost like the establishment is aware of your discontent and is playing the oldest trick in the book by distracting you with trumped-up battles against the devilish foreign hordes. But no, that would be naive.
Of course they are manipulating us. You do the best you can with the information available.
Regardless, I believe Iran is a bad actor and that they shouldn't have nukes. I believe that they will get them in the near term (0-5 years) without bold action.
I don't support boots on the ground, other than very limited action. I'm good with economic warfare and demolishing their capabilities.
I get that you are OK with Iran running wild and free, funding terrorists and seeking nukes. Crazy, but u do u.
We've been told for decades that Iran would get nukes in a few years (if not months). I was OK with monitoring and inspections, which have always worked when we allowed them to. I haven't been wrong so far. Now that you've had your bold action, and it's predictably failed, we'll find out soon enough if they decide to weaponize.
Why talk in the past tense? Had bold action, failed?
You were right? The fact that we did act could mean something had changed. Maybe Trump wasn't willing to give them pallets of cash. But the premise that they weren't taking steps towards weapons grade is just not proven. Recent info suggests otherwise.
Whatever the case, the bold action may not be over. As for failed? I think their capabilities have been reduced, and it doesn't sound like Trump is done. Too early. Of course failure is still a possibility, but too early to tell.
I think we will destroy what we intents, no doubt. The military has a systematic plan, this is not an opponent that can really stop it. The variables that are problematic for the US is time, casualties and political will, not the military assets.
Can we do it fast enough, if there are 1000 fast boats and you take out a squadron a day (say 3, that they operate in 3 boat teams) that is still a year. Same with missile launchers, they have 10,000 left. That is a substantial operation even with 2 Aircraft carriers in theater. Even if you take out 100 a day that is several years. Now, these are simplistic examples to give a sense of scale. At some point, military operations become a slog or monotony, even when very effective. Media thinks they are all Venezuela. This is a long term proposition with a Government like Iran.
We are starting to here of alternate methods of getting oil out, I am surprised this wasn't put in effect before use the alternative pipeline, UAE and Red Sea ports. The next steps with oil are the ones that will make or break, not military action in Iran. If Diesel or Gas hit $10 a gallon, it is a problem.
Side note, what is interesting are the little things that you don't think about that have big impacts. $10 a gallon, it is not the cost. It is the distribution system, it is set to max out at $9.99 a gallon. The pumps for the public will cause big issues if costs exceed $10. Think about it, with all this going on. THAT may be the tipping point for resolution. I find that fascinating.
