So this is balanced, rationale behavior by the President?

There's a purpose there, unlike your behavior.

Change your panties, missy and unclutch your pearls.

He is supposed to be the leader of the free world, not a thug mafioso.

Look into the UAE situation and the strength of the dollar.

OK then, apparently FLBear prefers wet panties and mindless screeds.

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OK then, apparently FLBear prefers wet panties and mindless screeds.

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Is this a trick question?

I couldn't resist...

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Oldbear83 said:

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OK then, apparently FLBear prefers wet panties and mindless screeds.

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Is this a trick question?

I couldn't resist...

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I just work off whatever you leave in your posts.

FLBear5630 said:

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He is supposed to be the leader of the free world, not a thug mafioso.

Look into the UAE situation and the strength of the dollar.

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No, he is the leader of the USA. Without the USA, there is no free world. In a world where Iran has a nuclear weapon, there is no freedom.

And what threat was there that the US would go away?

Thanks for the laugh

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You are usually intelligent, FLBear.

But anytime you write about the President, you turn into a hysterical loon.

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We have a serious international credibility issue. Ok, we got taken advantage, so we had the last year worth of pushing back.

IF we want the dollar to remain the reserve currency, we need to re-establish that we are for Freedom of Navigation, Free Trade and peace. We can't keep doing this stuff and threatening the world.

The guy is f-ing nuts. He is picking fights with the Pope, Denmark and threatening to destroy civilizations. Rhetoric, you say. He also controls the most powerful Military and a SecDef that is making speeches of no quarter. We haven't even gone into nukes. The position with great power require great discipline. He is not showing great discipline.

I am really shocked you guys don't see that and are cheering this nutcase on.

He is a sociopath at best, I am worried what at the worst.

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You're completely clueless. BRICS was threatening our economic leadership. Trump has strategically put us back in the driver seat. Venezuela and Iran are part of the playbook.

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And what threat was there that the US would go away?

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Progressive globalism is remaking the West and the US into completely different countries. Trump's Maga movement is the only thing that turned the tide. The fact that you don't see that, just shows that you live in a make believe world shaped by your TDS.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You are usually intelligent, FLBear.

But anytime you write about the President, you turn into a hysterical loon.

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We have a serious international credibility issue. Ok, we got taken advantage, so we had the last year worth of pushing back.

IF we want the dollar to remain the reserve currency, we need to re-establish that we are for Freedom of Navigation, Free Trade and peace. We can't keep doing this stuff and threatening the world.

The guy is f-ing nuts. He is picking fights with the Pope, Denmark and threatening to destroy civilizations. Rhetoric, you say. He also controls the most powerful Military and a SecDef that is making speeches of no quarter. We haven't even gone into nukes. The position with great power require great discipline. He is not showing great discipline.

I am really shocked you guys don't see that and are cheering this nutcase on.

He is a sociopath at best, I am worried what at the worst.

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You're completely clueless. BRICS was threatening our economic leadership. Trump has strategically put us back in the driver seat. Venezuela and Iran are part of the playbook.

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Shhh! It's about nukes, remember? Don't go saying the quiet part out loud.

Oldbitterbear 83 done gone full on Trump. Crazy as bat chit! Droning on about Gold Jesus while Goldie is effing up a great country. No longer great. American Exceptionalism is now caput. Thanks to ONE effing Carnival Barking Cheeto.

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No hate for my RC brothers in Christ, but their papacy is intent on selling the world out to the globalist Satanists.

Sticking his head in politics under the guise of a false peace religion, bending the knee to Islam in some ways, making up false doctrine about military use, attacking conservatives, ignoring the plight of the Iranian people, defending the mass illegal immigration and the harm it does to communities, etc. It's a One way ticket to heavily progressive societies, resulting in Godlessness.

I get the RC's will rush to nuance their way in defense of the man, but it rings hollow.

Last, Christ will here the prayers of the God fearing soldiers.

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No need to bore anyone with nuance. Church doctrine on military use is true and just. The rationale for the war and the supposed concern for the Iranian people are simply false.

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didnt you know, Trump and Hegseth, those fake Christians, know far more about Religion and Morality than the leader of the catholic Church

How's the Epstein case going? What is it 5800 times Trump is mentioned. First lady having to clarify Epstein wasnt her pimp. Yeah, piller of morality.

Maybe Hegseth can have more people shot in the water, you know "no quarter" while quoting Pulp Fiction.

Has Musk been allowed to fire more regulators impacting his businesses?

Shoot anymore protestors in the street?

Morality abounds in the Trump Administration.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You are usually intelligent, FLBear.

But anytime you write about the President, you turn into a hysterical loon.

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We have a serious international credibility issue. Ok, we got taken advantage, so we had the last year worth of pushing back.

IF we want the dollar to remain the reserve currency, we need to re-establish that we are for Freedom of Navigation, Free Trade and peace. We can't keep doing this stuff and threatening the world.

The guy is f-ing nuts. He is picking fights with the Pope, Denmark and threatening to destroy civilizations. Rhetoric, you say. He also controls the most powerful Military and a SecDef that is making speeches of no quarter. We haven't even gone into nukes. The position with great power require great discipline. He is not showing great discipline.

I am really shocked you guys don't see that and are cheering this nutcase on.

He is a sociopath at best, I am worried what at the worst.

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You're completely clueless. BRICS was threatening our economic leadership. Trump has strategically put us back in the driver seat. Venezuela and Iran are part of the playbook.

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You think this is making the case for the US dollar as the reserve currency stronger? You think attacking Iran with Israel, threatening to take Greenland, kidnapping Maduro, and tariffing the world makes the US a stronger world leader?

The world is actively plotting how to get out of our influence based on the last year. Canada, NATO and Australia gave come right out and said it. You dont get it... Threats only work in the short term, until they can figure something else. The UAE is the first shot across the bow. Look at the big picture, not your little MAGA world.

You want to look up history, look up how Bessent made his money and then look around.... That will scare you.

Irony: JR throwing out yet another personal attack on a board member while contributing nothing to the issue discussion.

Yet he imagines he's a respected contributor.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You are usually intelligent, FLBear.

But anytime you write about the President, you turn into a hysterical loon.

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We have a serious international credibility issue. Ok, we got taken advantage, so we had the last year worth of pushing back.

IF we want the dollar to remain the reserve currency, we need to re-establish that we are for Freedom of Navigation, Free Trade and peace. We can't keep doing this stuff and threatening the world.

The guy is f-ing nuts. He is picking fights with the Pope, Denmark and threatening to destroy civilizations. Rhetoric, you say. He also controls the most powerful Military and a SecDef that is making speeches of no quarter. We haven't even gone into nukes. The position with great power require great discipline. He is not showing great discipline.

I am really shocked you guys don't see that and are cheering this nutcase on.

He is a sociopath at best, I am worried what at the worst.

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You're completely clueless. BRICS was threatening our economic leadership. Trump has strategically put us back in the driver seat. Venezuela and Iran are part of the playbook.

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You think this is making the case for the US dollar as the reserve currency stronger? You think attacking Iran with Israel, threatening to take Greenland, kidnapping Maduro, and tariffing the world makes the US a stronger world leader?

The world is actively plotting how to get out of our influence based on the last year. Canada, NATO and Australia gave come right out and said it. You dont get it... Threats only work in the short term, until they can figure something else. The UAE is the first shot across the bow. Look at the big picture, not your little MAGA world.

You want to look up history, look up how Bessent made his money and then look around.... That will scare you.

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Actually, I think the free world needs to get stronger. I think Europe needs to defend itself. I actually think that has been the plan all along - pretty much stated by Trump.

As for making us weaker - well that may be if you're looking at a relative perspective. But not having to defend Europe actually helps us and means we can be stronger elsewhere if needed. As for leaving the dollar - BRICS was leading the charge across the globe. No action wasn't a winning game plan if that's how you are looking at things.

Europe is playing the TDS drama game, just like the libs here. They have to. They play the TDS cards because it benefits them. 300 million Americans are paying for 500+ million Europeans defense. Effectively, we're helping subsidize the majority of their defense and even their insolvent healthcare. How can a nation sell the tax increases and structural change that is needed to strengthen their defenses? Are they going to cut socialized healthcare? Nope, it's gonna be more taxes. Trump is their scape goat. Trump knows it, they know it, and anyone paying attention to politics knows it. To lemmings like you of the nightly news, you see the surface and think you're an expert ... you still think he's just tweeting because he's a hot head.

Geez, it is not a weak or strong issue. It is a trust and stability issue. Two items Trump is not excelling in. Money hates instability, Trump is the walking definition of instability. Will he support, will he threaten, will it be transactional, will it be the same tomorrow?

It is not all about strength, especially if you have to worry about your ally using it to extort you into doing things you dont agree.

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Geez, it is not a weak or strong issue. It is a trust and stability issue. Two items Trump is not excelling in. Money hates instability, Trump is the walking definition of instability. Will he support, will he threaten, will it be transactional, will it be the same tomorrow?

It is not all about strength, especially if you have to worry about your ally using it to extort you into doing things you dont agree.

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"ally"
Has different meaning, depending on your pov.

Progressive countries are hurting our country and values more than they're worth.

That is Puritanism BS, we care less if they are progressive, share our values or what they believe. That is where you guys a f-ing up mixing your personal believes in with commerce, as bad as the extreme Moslems on that. We want to trade with them, commerce. Navy is to keep trade routes open. NATO was to leep Europe free, free to trade. These Religious Wars are BS. We dont have to all agree to be trade partners.

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That is Puritanism BS, we care less if they are progressive, share our values or what they believe. That is where you guys a f-ing up mixing your personal believes in with commerce, as bad as the extreme Moslems on that. We want to trade with them, commerce. Navy is to keep trade routes open. NATO was to leep Europe free, free to trade. These Religious Wars are BS. We dont have to all agree to be trade partners.

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The Iran conflict is not a "religious war". Iran is a threat to the region, and specifically to the United States. We can argue about the history or motives, but there is no question Iran is unlike the other countries of the region.

The United States is not going to war with Islam, nor with the Shias. We are at war with a country which went to war against us decades ago, and which threat should not be discounted, let alone ignored.

A war we cannot get out of. What you are seeing play out is why we contained them. Same with Iraq under Sadaam, the Israelis blew up nuclear plant rather than go in back in the 80's. Why? You can't get out. We are still in Iraq.

This was a knee jerk reaction by that psychopath Hegseth and Bibi. Israel wanted to take on Iran, have at it. There is no winning scenario. Every layer is as bad as the first and the proxies don't go away no matter how much you bomb. No, this was a f-up of immense proportions.

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A war we cannot get out of. What you are seeing play out is why we contained them. Same with Iraq under Sadaam, the Israelis blew up nuclear plant rather than go in back in the 80's. Why? You can't get out. We are still in Iraq.

This was a knee jerk reaction by that psychopath Hegseth and Bibi. Israel wanted to take on Iran, have at it. There is no winning scenario. Every layer is as bad as the first and the proxies don't go away no matter how much you bomb. No, this was a f-up of immense proportions.

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Quite the rant there.

OK by point. We are not locked into this conflict, but there are stakes in what course we choose.

You might want to notice we have not yet sent ground troops in, nor is there a logistical move to indicate it will happen anytime soon. Mentioned that since some seem convinced that's already happened.

And Trump had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. You might want to check your history notes.

And the idea that Israel is running the US is so whacko I genuinely feel bad for anyone buying into that craap.

Yes, there are a number of ways to win in Iran. But given your emotional state, I'm not going to waste time going over them unless and until you show you are open to them.

Tell me the win move...

Seriously, what is the win move?

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Tell me the win move...

Seriously, what is the win move?

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A lot depends on how Congress acts, but here are the basics:

At this time, Iran has lost the ability to strike strategic targets effectively outside its borders. They can launch drone strikes at undefended targets, and they can still launch a few missiles at ground targets like oil platforms. Also, Iran has a fractured hierarchy, meaning there is a power struggle between different groups, and the ones which hate America the most would benefit the most if we just left now.

I should mention as well, that there are a range of acceptable outcomes. We get a win if we remove the Jihadists from power in Iran, even if the new regime is officially unfriendly to us. We did that with Algeria and some other nations before now, by the way.

The stakes here include military, economic, and diplomatic objectives. It's also important to understand how a restored relationship with Iran changes our options viz a viz Israel. Not many people notice how our relationship with Israel shifted after the Ayatollah took power in Iran, and how much bolder Israel has been in its actions since.

The 'winning move' starts with us staying with negotiations, and using what leverage we have to make sure we speak with acceptable representatives for Iran, which must include the Artesh and exclude the Quds, IRGC, and Basij. We should make sure to offer economic incentives for deals which work for peaceful stability.

Do you agree so far?

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That is Puritanism BS, we care less if they are progressive, share our values or what they believe. That is where you guys a f-ing up mixing your personal believes in with commerce, as bad as the extreme Moslems on that. We want to trade with them, commerce. Navy is to keep trade routes open. NATO was to leep Europe free, free to trade. These Religious Wars are BS. We dont have to all agree to be trade partners.

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This is so dumb, it's funny.

Trade with slave labor ... yeah, you keep telling yourself that it's good

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FLBear5630 said:

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A war we cannot get out of. What you are seeing play out is why we contained them. Same with Iraq under Sadaam, the Israelis blew up nuclear plant rather than go in back in the 80's. Why? You can't get out. We are still in Iraq.

This was a knee jerk reaction by that psychopath Hegseth and Bibi. Israel wanted to take on Iran, have at it. There is no winning scenario. Every layer is as bad as the first and the proxies don't go away no matter how much you bomb. No, this was a f-up of immense proportions.

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Quite the rant there.

OK by point. We are not locked into this conflict, but there are stakes in what course we choose.

You might want to notice we have not yet sent ground troops in, nor is there a logistical move to indicate it will happen anytime soon. Mentioned that since some seem convinced that's already happened.

And Trump had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. You might want to check your history notes.

And the idea that Israel is running the US is so whacko I genuinely feel bad for anyone buying into that craap.

Yes, there are a number of ways to win in Iran. But given your emotional state, I'm not going to waste time going over them unless and until you show you are open to them.

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You're mostly right ... but Israel running the US isn't a closed issue - and fwiw, it's not Israel necessarily, but people who are aligned to Israel either due to genetics or due to money. I'm not saying it's a certainty, but if you look at who actually owns and controls finance, media, and commerce, you might at least have to start asking who really is in control ... because it's clearly not the citizens.

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Tell me the win move...

Seriously, what is the win move?

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I don't know if it's one move, but here's what I believe will be the results once Trump is done:

• No nukes, full transparency
• Weakening Iran militarily
• Weaking Iran's terrorist proxies
• US has greater control in the region + strategic control of the waterways
• Reduce BRICS to a shell of its former self + a shift in global energy markets

This "conflict" is above your mental pay grade. This isn't an invade and win scenario. It's a reduce to force compliance scenario.

As Onward Christian Soldiers plays in the background...

Very Biden-esque of you. We already have a policy on that, nothing new here...


U.S. Government Trade Strategy to Combat Forced Labor.pdf

F off.

Full transparency? Control of the region? Keep up your fantasy that we are in control.

So the Vatican has dedicated a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican library.

So brave

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So the Vatican has dedicated a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican library.

So brave

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You do realize it is only for Moslem Scholars using the Vatican Apostolic Library, not the general public.

It is called courtesy. You Baptist may try it sometime.

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So the Vatican has dedicated a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican library.

So brave

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Are you Protestants really going to try and play the "holier than thou" game? It appears you and many on this board have a clear disdain for the Church, that's very unfortunate. Its still Easter, I wish we could spend our time spreading the good news instead of trying to tear each other down

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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So the Vatican has dedicated a Muslim prayer room at the Vatican library.

So brave

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Are you Protestants really going to try and play the "holier than thou" game? It appears you and many on this board have a clear disdain for the Church, that's very unfortunate. Its still Easter, I wish we could spend our time spreading the good news instead of trying to tear each other down

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What I have noticed is a lot of Paul being spread and very little of Jesus.