Sam Lowry said:I think we'd all agree that Kim's regime is bad too.Jack and DP said:
Sam, probably for another thread, but the current regime in Iran is bad for Iran and bad for the region. There is movement for change from within. Just not sure if it's enough.
HuMcK said:Doc Holliday said:The same one they're already destroying?HuMcK said:
Sure would be nice to get some inspectors in there to verify that. I don't even trust NK to keep their word yet on signed treaties, much less promises that couldn't be included in the signed document because they "didn't have time." A lot of their missiles are fired from mobile launchers anyway, so all they need is a flat space big enough to park the launcher on, nothing to destroy there.
I'm not seeing a lot of discussion in this thread about how we gave up something (military excercises) without getting much if anything in return other than some vague promises that NK has made before. We aren't locked into a bad deal yet by any means because the exercises are a relatively small thing to give up (but calling them "provocative" and "inappropriate" is straight out of NK's propaganda...), and I support the quest for peace and security, but yesterday doesn't really strike me as the kind of unprecedented breakthrough Republicans are treating it as.
It also shouldn't pass without mention that Trump showed more respect and affection for Kim than he did the PM of Canada, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
cinque said:Computer says no,riflebear said:I feel like a 7th grade English teacher having to to mark up and correct every one of Cinque's English papers (i.e. posts).cinque said:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.
To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:
- Give them their desired world stage
Incorrect - when you are threatening the World w/ nuclear weapons and have been the focal point of the last 4 Presidents and even Obama told Trump N. Korea would be his biggest challenge - I'd say N. Korea already had the 'world stage'
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
100% FALSE - Trump even said in the press conference last night that this came up and was discussed but I doubt CNN or MSNBC reported on this so I'll give you a pass.
- End military exercises with South Korea
Negotiating 101, when you are trying to negotiate anything, especially w/ a crazy Dictator w/ nuclear weapons, you play nice when they are in the process of denuclearizing. Are you saying after Trump had a pleasant peaceful negotiation where he got Kim to agree to everything Trump wanted and more that Trump should turn around and crap all over N. Korea by threatening them w/ our power and strength? ridiculous comment
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
English please? I'm assuming you mean ending u.s. forces in Korea? Every President has wanted to bring our troops home and have less of a force in Korea assuming we come to a peace agreement. Why keep 30,000 troops in Korea? Also, he specifically said he would not bring troops home until they 100% verified that all their nukes were gone which could take a few years.
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
What are you talking about? He literally started the press conference off by thanking South Korea, Japan and China for their efforts in helping bring N. Korea to the table.
Anything else you want to misinform or lie about?
Doc Holliday said:But JR told me he did the following:cinque said:To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
- Give them their desired world stage
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
- End military exercises with South Korea
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.