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Don't let the BOR know their new coach is out there quoting from Drizzy's new album

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Me: new respect for Rhule...

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As flattering as it is to hear Ken Starr say Briiles and McCaw are men of integrity and character,

I'd be a lot more impressed if they let their daughters and granddaughters go in a date chaperoned by Tevin Elliott or KD Cannon.

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KD? You're gonna have to come back here and explain yourself.

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I didn't say Cannon was guilty of anything, just saying it would speak a lot louder if these men of integrity and character were to let their children spend an evening with these gentlemen.

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You named two players. One, who is convicted of sexual assault and has been in jail, and another who has never been accused of anything untoward his entire career.

You need to explain better why you lumped in KD with Elliott.

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Don't let the BOR know their new coach is out there quoting from Drizzy's new album

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Me: new respect for Rhule...

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Surprised me...seems like I remember when he first got here he replaced the rap music at practice with Frank Sinatra or something like that...

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Baylor has settled a lot of these cases. I wonder why this one hasn't been settled yet because it looks like it's only going to be getting uglier for BU.

I hope they don't settle it though. I'm up for as many under oath testimonies as we can get.

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BU lawyers seem to be getting the testimonies sealed almost as quickly as they come out.

I wonder why Bears for Leadership Reform has not had a release on Ian's testimony.

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They have...or at least a Facebook post regarding it today.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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Since the comments came from sworn deposition, it's going to be closer to "gospel" than most of what media pundits have put out. Now the accuracy of the quotes might be questioned but McCaw's testimony should not be at this point. I'm all for skepticism and even "no comment" until the facts are in and revealed. Too bad you guys didn't take that tact from the get-go.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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or the part where McCaw was under oath

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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or the part where McCaw was under oath

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According to the MSM, sworn testimony under oath has nowhere near the veracity of a one-off anonymous post on BFans.com from an ISP address somewhere in England.

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Don't let the BOR know their new coach is out there quoting from Drizzy's new album

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Little Matty is a regular Marcus Aurelius.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.

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I really don't think they were holding hands--they didn't like each other much---but they were rowing the ship together in the same direction. Bought another box of popcorn for this round.

X actually went to Baylor? I thought he was our resident Sooner troll.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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You are without a doubt one of my favorite posters, Stranger, but I respectfully disagree with you on your opinion of Ian as an Athletic Director. I think he was perhaps the best AD we have ever had. I just think his administrative skills sucked, which is definitely part of the job. Ian McCaw brought us the golden age of Baylor sports. Under his watch, we kicked ass and were feared in most every sport. In 2018, we are now feared in Equestrian and Gymnastics and Tumbling.

For the record, I think the new Gong Show sucks. Not even close to the original. God Bless Chuck Barris. Where the Hell is Gene Gene the Dancing Machine? Is he still alive?

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Baylor has settled a lot of these cases. I wonder why this one hasn't been settled yet because it looks like it's only going to be getting uglier for BU.

I hope they don't settle it though. I'm up for as many under oath testimonies as we can get.

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BU lawyers seem to be getting the testimonies sealed almost as quickly as they come out.

I wonder why Bears for Leadership Reform has not had a release on Ian's testimony.

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They have...or at least a Facebook post regarding it today.

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Thanks, I don't look at Facebook often.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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You are without a doubt one of my favorite posters, Stranger, but I respectfully disagree with you on your opinion of Ian as an Athletic Director. I think he was perhaps the best AD we have ever had. I just think his administrative skills sucked, which is definitely part of the job. Ian McCaw brought us the golden age of Baylor sports. Under his watch, we kicked ass and were feared in most every sport. In 2018, we are now feared in Equestrian and Gymnastics and Tumbling.

For the record, I think the new Gong Show sucks. Not even close to the original. God Bless Chuck Barris. Where the Hell is Gene Gene the Dancing Machine? Is he still alive?

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Thanks for good words. The feeling is mutual.

As for Ian, he couldn't raise money, he couldn't remember anybody's name and he couldn't administer jack squat nothing. All of which were in his job description.

I once heard him address a large group of alumni and refer to our former icon coach as Grant Teef (rhymes with teeth). What a loser.

I had a two hour face to face meeting with him where we worked out a gift to the athletic department. I saw him the next day in a skybox and he introduced himself and said he'd never met me. I guess I didn't make much of an impression. I never had much use for him after that.

Several former lettermen I know just hated to see the guy coming. Never thought he was slightly invested in being at Baylor.

He was just a tool of the BOR. Never stood up for his coaches.

Ribbon clerk.

Just my biased opinion.

Yeah, the new Gong Show sucks. Haven't seen Gene Gene in years. Good guy. So was Chuck. RIP.

Don't blame me - don't blame me. Blame that fellow behind that tree.

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X actually went to Baylor? I thought he was our resident Sooner troll.

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Texas knocked Nebraska down to being average.
Our Bears were so close to knocking the Sooners down there with them. Wreck their program.
Then Tulsa hired Monty.

Reporter, how was Stranger so right for more than a decade?

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As for Ian, he couldn't raise money, he couldn't remember anybody's name and he couldn't administer jack squat nothing. All of which were in his job description.

I once heard him address a large group of alumni and refer to our former icon coach as Grant Teef (rhymes with teeth). What a loser.

I had a two hour face to face meeting with him where we worked out a gift to the athletic department. I saw him the next day in a skybox and he introduced himself and said he'd never met me. I guess I didn't make much of an impression. I never had much use for him after that.

Several former lettermen I know just hated to see the guy coming. Never thought he was slightly invested in being at Baylor.

He was just a tool of the BOR. Never stood up for his coaches.

Ribbon clerk.

Just my biased opinion.

Yeah, the new Gong Show sucks. Haven't seen Gene Gene in years. Good guy. So was Chuck. RIP.

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Stranger, I am not doubting the veracity of your post, but my personal experience with Ian was much different than yours. I met Ian when I worked at The Men's Wearhouse in Waco, back in 2004-5, and chatted with him on a couple of occasions. Several years later, I was walking into Floyd Casey Stadium one Saturday, and noticed Ian walking out, headed in my direction. He walked right up to me and immediately greeted me by name, asked me how I was doing, and said that it was good to see me again. I was impressed, because I was just a rank and file season ticket-holder, a little guy with a relatively large mustache.

If Ian was so weak a person as y'all claim how can he also be so involved in the things he was speaking about under oath. He can't be weak and running the show. I think the argument he was weak is consistent with the shxt he said under oath he was having to deal with. It's also not like he went 2 years later to the press. He was compelled to answer questions about all of this under oath and that deposition was recently leaked to the press. Hate to tell you bubble dwellers but it is all adding up.

He didn't raise a dime. Add it up.

He paid his coaches well.

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I met Ian when I worked at The Men's Wearhouse in Waco, back in 2004-5, and chatted with him on a couple of occasions.

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Y'all must have been running a sale on brown suits and knit shirts that buttoned all the way to the neck.

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As flattering as it is to hear Ken Starr say Briiles and McCaw are men of integrity and character,

I'd be a lot more impressed if they let their daughters and granddaughters go in a date chaperoned by Tevin Elliott or KD Cannon.

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KD? You're gonna have to come back here and explain yourself.

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I didn't say Cannon was guilty of anything, just saying it would speak a lot louder if these men of integrity and character were to let their children spend an evening with these gentlemen.

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You named two players. One, who is convicted of sexual assault and has been in jail, and another who has never been accused of anything untoward his entire career.

You need to explain better why you lumped in KD with Elliott.

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I don't need to do anything, I neither accused nor convicted anyone, merely suggested they act as chaperones.

Find out for yourself. It's not my job to think for you.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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According to the MSM, sworn testimony under oath has nowhere near the veracity of a one-off anonymous post on BFans.com from an ISP address somewhere in England.

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This is as good a time as any to thank The erstwhile Moderator of Baylorfans.com, Marco, now masquerading as Reporter, for allowing Texas Monthly to use Baylorfans as a source.

Everyone thank Brian and Ashley for managing this site.

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I met Ian when I worked at The Men's Wearhouse in Waco, back in 2004-5, and chatted with him on a couple of occasions.

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Y'all must have been running a sale on brown suits and knit shirts that buttoned all the way to the neck.

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It was the Forrest Gump Sale just after Easter. What a deal!!!

One thing is abundantly clear and that is the people just learning about Ian have their heads in the sand. Whether they admit that is their problem. People that could see Ian's involvement closer saw through the smoke.

Btw, if you want to sign on to this site and try spinning the logic of, "well, I haven't seen Ian do anything bad in my browser window, so he isn't bad."

All you're really telling anyone is that you are A) a friend of Ian B) utterly clueless.

If you don't know what an Athletic Director does, please invest in finding out. Here is a hint, it involves a budget. And managing employees. it isn't an endorsement to say that Ian was nice to you at the movie theater. But for the last time, Ian was responsible, directly for the compliance function that should have identified these problems and reported them. Ian should have immediately countered any claim from ESPN. He failed miserably in that role. He also raised no money for the department, and even went so far as to divert money raised by others which he claimed was his doing. When confronted by this, he quickly changed his story. Just poor, deceptive behavior.

In Ian's parting defense, do I think he was controlled by specific regents? Absolutely. And those regents need to burn. But to suggest that Ian was accomplished, or successful is stretching it at best.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.

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I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.

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Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.

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I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

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You are without a doubt one of my favorite posters, Stranger, but I respectfully disagree with you on your opinion of Ian as an Athletic Director. I think he was perhaps the best AD we have ever had. I just think his administrative skills sucked, which is definitely part of the job. Ian McCaw brought us the golden age of Baylor sports. Under his watch, we kicked ass and were feared in most every sport. In 2018, we are now feared in Equestrian and Gymnastics and Tumbling.

For the record, I think the new Gong Show sucks. Not even close to the original. God Bless Chuck Barris. Where the Hell is Gene Gene the Dancing Machine? Is he still alive?

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Thanks for good words. The feeling is mutual.

As for Ian, he couldn't raise money, he couldn't remember anybody's name and he couldn't administer jack squat nothing. All of which were in his job description.

I once heard him address a large group of alumni and refer to our former icon coach as Grant Teef (rhymes with teeth). What a loser.

I had a two hour face to face meeting with him where we worked out a gift to the athletic department. I saw him the next day in a skybox and he introduced himself and said he'd never met me. I guess I didn't make much of an impression. I never had much use for him after that.

Several former lettermen I know just hated to see the guy coming. Never thought he was slightly invested in being at Baylor.

He was just a tool of the BOR. Never stood up for his coaches.

Ribbon clerk.

Just my biased opinion.

Yeah, the new Gong Show sucks. Haven't seen Gene Gene in years. Good guy. So was Chuck. RIP.

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Good grief yes, after the classic show the original was, the new Gong Show was a major letdown.

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In Ian's parting defense, do I think he was controlled by specific regents? Absolutely. And those regents need to burn. But to suggest that Ian was accomplished, or successful is stretching it at best.

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I did read somewhere that in his very first football game at his new gig with that little podunk Bible school in Lynchburg, VA. that his team took out a Power 5 school. That does sound pretty far-fetched. Probably bull***** Like they say, don't believe everything you read on the internet. LOL! I heard it took damn near six months for him to get the smile off of his face.

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If Ian was so weak a person as y'all claim how can he also be so involved in the things he was speaking about under oath. He can't be weak and running the show. I think the argument he was weak is consistent with the shxt he said under oath he was having to deal with. It's also not like he went 2 years later to the press. He was compelled to answer questions about all of this under oath and that deposition was recently leaked to the press. Hate to tell you bubble dwellers but it is all adding up.

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So you are proud that he didn't try to pull a Garland in the deposition or didn't know how to do it?

I'm saying Ian's detractors are inconsistent. Additionally I said he was compelled to answer questions under oath. This wasn't Ian giving some sort of tell all interview to a media outlet 2 years later.

Houston attorney and Baylor alumnus John Eddie Williams, a member of the Bears for Leadership Reform group that has been critical of regents, said the statements attributed to McCaw reflect the group's belief that Baylor's principal problem has been "at the top level, that being the board of regents."

"While there has been turnover, half of the board was in place when these events transpired, and we have not seen any true transparency and accountability," Williams said. "I look forward with great anticipation to when someone finally deposes the regents who were involved and puts them under oath.

"There needs to be transparency, and all Baylor has tried to do is sweep this under the rug, and that is the wrong attitude. We have a new president (Linda Livingstone, who took the job in June 2017) who is trying to correct things, but the real problem is at the board level. The board is responsible for this coverup."

I had forgotten that Ian was a part of one of the released CAB texts

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Perfect match.

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https://www.fhmbk.com/attorney/stephen-d-henninger/