witchmo said:
... In short, Art is gone and the firing can be justified solely on the grounds of Baylor's personnel management guidelines and the Regents' wishes AND CHECKBOOK.
... I do know that the law has to be adhered to until the law is changed: it doesn't matter if a top-flite lawyer thinks it "unconstitutional". It is the law until the court says it isn't. Starr, The Regents, the COO and Baylor's legal counsel ALL know this, which begs the question(s) of why they led us to this place. REMEMBER THAT THE GUIDELINES CONTAINED IN THE DEAR COLLEAGUE LETTER LACKED THE FORCE OF LAW.
The signal question demanding answers is why the Regents "didn't come clean" to begin with but allowed the bulk of the vitriol to flow down onto Art Briles, destroying his reputation beyond his culpability and wrecking his career. Using one man for an air raid shelter to shield themselves from the incoming rounds seems fearful at best and shirking responsibility at worst. "Protecting the university" is really weak sauce to serve with this **** sandwich they cooked up. When drawing conclusions about Briles and his termination, we'd best recall that there is a lot of conflicting information (depending on the source) and that the opinions of competing schools is completely unreliable.
So your saying that the BOR made a good decision to keep Starr in a position to fund raise and be the face of BU among donors...but CAB was worthy of removal from BU altogether?Keyser Soze said:
Starr held both the President and Chancellors' jobs. He was removed / fired as President. He was not "reassigned".
Chancellor is primarily a figurehead position and they do fundraising. The job with authority and decision making responsibilities is President.
When I say reassigned, I am referring to the fact he was allowed to remain as a law school professor.Keyser Soze said:
Starr held both the President and Chancellors' jobs. He was removed / fired as President. He was not "reassigned".
Chancellor is primarily a figurehead position and they do fundraising. The job with authority and decision making responsibilities is President.
This is a very good post.blackie said:
The latest action of the BOR is telling as to where ultimate responsibility for this fiasco lies. All the while the school in general was being daily front page headlines we heard not a peep of rebuttal fom the BOR that the school was not a "hunting ground for sexual predators"....that our students were just as good as you'll find anywhere else. That the school was just as safe, probably safer, than most any other large University.
No, what we heard were crickets while any exaggerated accusation was made my the media without a thread of context or rebuttal or facts from the school. Everyone was getting thrown under the bus by those whose ultimate responsibility it was to make sure we were doing things right. Deflecting everything to the football program depite the fact that this, just as it is everywhere else, is a societal problem wih the problem not being limited to any area was a convenience to sweep under the rug actions that had been going on for decades.
Anything was fair as long as it didn't direct any responsibility toward the good ole boys club who were too busy crying out to God.......because the charade of being stalwarts of fiduciary duty versus the real agenda of power and control was being threatened as never before. That's what all the crying was about......that and the fact that some probably were in fear of actual prosecution for what they did or did not do.
So silence......but now something is leveled in public directly at them....we get almost immediate rebuttal. Thanks a lot jerks for it being ok for letting the rest of us and the school to be thrown under the bus, as long as you keep yourselves protected.
And for the Truetts on the board. I'm still waiting for this to blow over as you told us it would by your buddies taking the silent approach. This problem is showing up across the nation as most of us knew. But Baylor is the only one who took the inane approach to blow up the school to save the reputations of its privileged few sitting around the board table.
Had this not gotten the attention of the media, nothing would have changed...and that lies at the feet of the pitiful thing we call the BOR. But once it was exposed, the only criteria was to save only the individuals that really mattered....themselves. And that is becoming more obvious every day.
Do I think Baylor is worse in the SA situation than our peers. No I don't. I also don't think we are any better. We have human students. What we don't have is adult leadership that puts the welfare of its students and programs before their own personal welfare and agndas. And isn't that what a governing body is suppose to be about?
How can you do things to protect the "brand", which are completely contrary to the brand and then throw up the Christian banner? Over the years we have put up public dislays of some real incompetence, specially in the field of athletics. But this board mentality over decades make Kevin Steele and Harry Miller like teams look like world beaters. I'm not sure you could muster up a handful of integriy amoungst the lot of them.
I'm still looking for their apology to all of us for their complete failure. None of us should ever have had the concern that our school wasn't being run as it should. That should have been a given. Guess we were the stupid clucks they take us for.
NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
Eball and Dman have been on fire on this thread, and I can't add much to what they are saying.Eball said:So your saying that the BOR made a good decision to keep Starr in a position to fund raise and be the face of BU among donors...but CAB was worthy of removal from BU altogether?Keyser Soze said:
Starr held both the President and Chancellors' jobs. He was removed / fired as President. He was not "reassigned".
Chancellor is primarily a figurehead position and they do fundraising. The job with authority and decision making responsibilities is President.
Chuckroast said:Eball and Dman have been on fire on this thread, and I can't add much to what they are saying.Eball said:So your saying that the BOR made a good decision to keep Starr in a position to fund raise and be the face of BU among donors...but CAB was worthy of removal from BU altogether?Keyser Soze said:
Starr held both the President and Chancellors' jobs. He was removed / fired as President. He was not "reassigned".
Chancellor is primarily a figurehead position and they do fundraising. The job with authority and decision making responsibilities is President.
I'll just say it is surreal to see a guy like Starr, a brilliant mind with a reputation deserving of the national stage (and who was instrumental in keeping Baylor in the Big 12 from what I have heard) is brought down by a group of no name regents. Meanwhile Drayton McClane, one of our most influential and nationally renowned alum, is simply rebuffed by the same no name regents. The school is all the while being held hostage while the BOR holds onto power so that they can best stay in a position to clear their own names . .. and it doesn't look like there is anything that can be done about it.
I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
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NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
So are you equating the football program and the millions of $, name recognition, and interest it generated for our school with the Alumni Association dispute? Just because the Alumni Association issues may not have captured the interest of a fellow alumni doesn't mean that said alumni is a BOR apologist. Heck, unless you have remained pretty connected to Baylor or live nearby, it's unlikely that you have even heard of the Alumni Association dispute.NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
I am very direct with people who are dismissive.Eball said:
So...do you just pretty much dislike everyone and everything?
NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
I am pointing out that the poster's specific BOR complaints how been very public for over a dozen years. Meanwhile he is defensive that this isn't about Briles and football. Of course it is. Otherwise where was his moral indignation about the regents over the last decade?Chuckroast said:So are you equating the football program and the millions of $, name recognition, and interest it generated for our school with the Alumni Association dispute? Just because the Alumni Association issues may not have captured the interest of a fellow alumni doesn't mean that said alumni is a BOR apologist. Heck, unless you have remained pretty connected to Baylor or live nearby, it's unlikely that you have even heard of the Alumni Association dispute.NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
NoBSU said:I am very direct with people who are dismissive.Eball said:
So...do you just pretty much dislike everyone and everything?
I have a long list of posters that I like. Most don't post on these threads.
Calling some but specifically you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
It's the biggest, most visible scandal in SCHOOL HISTORY, that played out on a national scale, costing the university hundreds of millions of dollars. And your calling literally thousands of people "Johnny come lately" for that being the moment they lost trust in this BoR? Your a special kind of obtuse or just plain ignorant. Either way, you bore me. Like I said. Move along. Let the adults handle this. This isn't about you.
Will you do some glue & glitter art for me too, child?Dman said:NoBSU said:I am very direct with people who are dismissive.Eball said:
So...do you just pretty much dislike everyone and everything?
I have a long list of posters that I like. Most don't post on these threads.
Oooh. Ooh. Can I please be a poster you like? I even gave you a gold star to put on your refrigerator..
(The need to make this about you is sad and pathetic)
Chuckroast said:So are you equating the football program and the millions of $, name recognition, and interest it generated for our school with the Alumni Association dispute? Just because the Alumni Association issues may not have captured the interest of a fellow alumni doesn't mean that said alumni is a BOR apologist. Heck, unless you have remained pretty connected to Baylor or live nearby, it's unlikely that you have even heard of the Alumni Association dispute.NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
Please do some macaroni art for my refrigerated too. If you can work it in before nap time.Dman said:Chuckroast said:So are you equating the football program and the millions of $, name recognition, and interest it generated for our school with the Alumni Association dispute? Just because the Alumni Association issues may not have captured the interest of a fellow alumni doesn't mean that said alumni is a BOR apologist. Heck, unless you have remained pretty connected to Baylor or live nearby, it's unlikely that you have even heard of the Alumni Association dispute.NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
Someone is hurt noone was reading his posts years ago..I gave him a Gold Star. That should help his bruised ego.
Honestly, I never felt comfortable with who was on what side of what in that debate. This scandal reached all aspects and was a university wide problem. It was national news. It's absurd to not see how many would stand up and say "wth is going on here". Briles is gone. The BoR is not.
NoBSU said:Calling some but specifically you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
It's the biggest, most visible scandal in SCHOOL HISTORY, that played out on a national scale, costing the university hundreds of millions of dollars. And your calling literally thousands of people "Johnny come lately" for that being the moment they lost trust in this BoR? Your a special kind of obtuse or just plain ignorant. Either way, you bore me. Like I said. Move along. Let the adults handle this. This isn't about you.
The Bliss scandal was dirtier. It wasn't about football so you might not have cared much.
Try to keep up your logic consistant. I thought you think the BOR is hiding everything so, how is this in the open?
I don't know the settlement amounts and the school's insurance policy limits, so I don't know that this has cost the university millions. Neither do you. Remember how much is hidden.
I will move on when I wish or Ashley or Brian ask me to move on.
I am playing some catch up here...to the degree that you are mad at me for not recognizing what horrible form of governance we had long before this scandal...and to the degree I did not and still don't understand the BAA fight or what it was really about...I would have to say guilty and I am sorry. You are absolutely right and fair to say I did not really become informed and aware until after the sacking of CAB...if that is upsetting to you I am sorry. I would say until Baylor fans I really did not keep up with a whole lot that was not in the local paper or Dallas Morning News. I am a sports fan that is the reason I got interested in this site and Baylor fans...I just did not think hey I want to go read up on the BAA dispute...I am pretty sure indirectly I got some mail outs from both sides that I glanced at but I just never really stopped to figure it out...I just didn't care, I certainly wish now I would have paid better attention but not sure anything would have changed with me caring either...so I am sorry if I have offended you and I wish I was not so late to the idea of we have major problems with our governance system.NoBSU said:I am very direct with people who are dismissive.Eball said:
So...do you just pretty much dislike everyone and everything?
I have a long list of posters that I like. Most don't post on these threads.
Eball said:I am playing some catch up here...to the degree that you are mad at me for not recognizing what horrible form of governance we had long before this scandal...and to the degree I did not and still don't understand the BAA fight or what it was really about...I would have to say guilty and I am sorry. You are absolutely right and fair to say I did not really become informed and aware until after the sacking of CAB...if that is upsetting to you I am sorry. I would say until Baylor fans I really did not keep up with a whole lot that was not in the local paper or Dallas Morning News. I am a sports fan that is the reason I got interested in this site and Baylor fans...I just did not think hey I want to go read up on the BAA dispute...I am pretty sure indirectly I got some mail outs from both sides that I glanced at but I just never really stopped to figure it out...I just didn't care, I certainly wish now I would have paid better attention but not sure anything would have changed with me caring either...so I am sorry if I have offended you and I wish I was not so late to the idea of we have major problems with our governance system.NoBSU said:I am very direct with people who are dismissive.Eball said:
So...do you just pretty much dislike everyone and everything?
I have a long list of posters that I like. Most don't post on these threads.
I don't live in Texas and have a vague recollection of the Alumni Association issues. I remember being surprised when I heard about the in-fighting because I always liked the AA and assumed the BOR would too. That's about the extent of my knowledge of the issues.NoBSU said:I am pointing out that the poster's specific BOR complaints how been very public for over a dozen years. Meanwhile he is defensive that this isn't about Briles and football. Of course it is. Otherwise where was his moral indignation about the regents over the last decade?Chuckroast said:So are you equating the football program and the millions of $, name recognition, and interest it generated for our school with the Alumni Association dispute? Just because the Alumni Association issues may not have captured the interest of a fellow alumni doesn't mean that said alumni is a BOR apologist. Heck, unless you have remained pretty connected to Baylor or live nearby, it's unlikely that you have even heard of the Alumni Association dispute.NoBSU said:Odd that you can't read. You were a BOR apologist for years. Throwing that label around now is weak sauce by you. Just as hypocritical as you claim the board is. They are hypocrites and so are you.Dman said:NoBSU said:Stranger has a different approach. He says welcome, let's storm the castle.Dman said:NoBSU said:I posted to the scandal paying freshman to retake SATs. There have been plenty of problems with regent meddling, lack of oversight, petty and mean actions, attacking individuals, conflicts of interst, and controlled, deceptive communications. Where were you/eball/57/etc? Where? You didn't have a side in that? The regents were one side of it.Dman said:NoBSU said:What was your Baylorfans username when the BOR was rolling the BAA, B Association, and others?Dman said:
And for the record. The only ones being up Briles are the BoR apologists. It's their instant defense and distract technique:
-another deposition under oath about the BoR: "All you care about is BRILES"
-pages of findings of fault from their own PH report regarding the BoR: "all you care about is Briles"
-Conflicts of Interest: "all you care about is Briles"
-Meddling: "all you care about is Briles"
-institutional Lack of oversight and control: "all you care about is Briles"
-tarts: "all you care about is Briles"
-FoF was finally disclosed to have been selectively written..by the BoR.: "all you care about is Briles"
It's old. He's gone. That worked for a while, but at this point, it's just a tired and obvious attempt to re-direct.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to connect, but I have never posted a single sentence on anything regarding that conflict. I never dug deep enough into both sides, their positions, and the power struggle to voice an opinion.
Now you are finally fed up with the regents! What did it take to finally reach that point? They fired Briles! They may have killed football or maybe not
They cost Baylor's insurance company a lot of money?
They didn't respond to campus SA? Where were you when Ian's buddy was telling us their were ZERO rapes?
Ahh. Your trying to imply this just about football and Briles? Or are you just hurt I didn't follow your posts sooner? Which? Let's get past your ego and address the fact that I've stated Briles made mistakes.(Covering up rape wasn't one of them..that's a crime and would involve handcuffs). I just didn't know enough about all the other aspects you mentioned to weigh in when it was relevant. It was a muddled discussion of one side versus the other. You get a GOLD star. All better?
I've even openly supported Rhule and want him to succeed.
My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better.
For a dozen years I have believed, "My beef with the BoR is well documented, for reasons solely based on their own actions, ineptitude, hypocrisy, and the simple fact that as a university, WE CAN DO BETTER and should except better." So now that you are butthurt about something, quit whining about BOR apologists. You were one for a decade.
Your an odd duck. Just because I wasn't critical of the BoR as early as you were...now you don't want others to be critical. I gave you a Gold Star to put on the refrigerator. Run along. Let the adults carry this from here.
The "adults" ignored everything until Briles was canned and football lost. You can't carry anything johnny-come-lately.
Come on, Chuck. You have at least been honest that to you this is greatly about Briles and football. Don't get fake now. You and the others knew about the dispute and didn't care. Most complained to keep the threads off the Football board. Move it to R&P. When you live long enough, you get to enjoy these ironies.
