Yeah, and Obama was only interested in negotiating with Iran because he was secretly a Muslim. I mean what other reason could there possibly have been? It's not like we can just go around talking to people!Henry Gondorff said:It's an even trickier situation. Do you expect Trump to criticize his patron? Not good form, or wise business. Trump's not (that) stupid!Sam Lowry said:Ha, I was waiting for a comment like that. I mean it was diplomatic for Trump. My point is that you wouldn't normally expect a president to stand there and say what he really believes. His people say one thing, Putin says another, and I think that was the right answer under the circumstances.BearinSoDak said:Sam Lowry said:Trump didn't blame America for Russian election meddling, nor did he throw anyone under the bus. He said the bad relationship between the two countries was a result of foolishness on both sides. He answered the question about American intelligence in the only diplomatic way he could.J.R. said:
I want to someone to defend our President throwing our security apparatus under the bus on the worlds stage. That this flat out unacceptable and the Republican Congress has to rebuke him.That is diplomatic?Quote:
So let me just say we have two thoughts. We have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven't they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I've been wondering that. I've been asking that for months and months and tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server, and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question, my people came to me, [director of national intelligence] Dan Coats came to me, and some others, they said, they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server, but I haveI have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don't think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC. Where are those servers? They're missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton's e-mails? 33,000 e-mails gone, just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn't be gone so easily. I think it's a disgrace we can't get Hillary Clinton's 33,000 e-mails. So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did, is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that's an incredible offer. Okay? Thank you.
So Trumps blames America For Election Meddling.
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On July 14, 2003, Robert Novak, journalist for The Washington Post, using information obtained from Richard Armitage at the United States Department of State, effectively ended Valerie Plame's career with the CIA (from which she later resigned in December 2005) by revealing in his column her identity as a CIA operative.HuMcK said:corncob pipe said:
Remember when our intelligence service claimed that there were WMP's in Iraq
Spot on they were
They didn't all say that, that's just the narrative the Bush Admin was pushing. In fact, one prominent dissenter spoke up too loudly with his doubts, so Dick Cheney outed his undercover CIA-agent wife, Valerie Plame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame
Hurd went further:cinque said:
When an aggy bails on you, you're beyond redemption:
"I've seen Russian intelligence manipulate many people over my professional career and I never would have thought that the US President would become one of the ones getting played by old KGB hands," Hurd said. "To all our allies: there are still many of us in Congress that know Russia is not just an adversary to the United States but to freedom loving people everywhere."
Stupid comment by Trump. Easily the biggest gaff of his presidency.
Dude just can not keep his mouth shut.
Dude just can not keep his mouth shut.
Completely agree. Plus, Putin / Russia did not interfere in the election, per Trump. Source: Vladimir Putin! LOL
Senator MCCain found the strength to call Trump's performance "disgraceful"
"The damage inflicted by President Trump's naivet, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake, "President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world."
"The damage inflicted by President Trump's naivet, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake, "President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world."
He said and I quote "some of my people, Dan Coats and others have told me Russia might have something to do with it". "However President Putin was very forceful and telling me Russia had nothing to do with" All I can do is ask the question". Firstly Mr. Coats who heads up the NSA told him Russia DID do it. So, Trumps lied about that. Secondly, he basically said....well Vlad told me he didn't do it, so I won't doubt him. That is what was said. I encourage you to watch the entire presser. Fairly unbelievable. Not 1 Republican has come out and defended is actions and words today. Now, that is telling.Osodecentx said:What exactly did he say?J.R. said:
Whilst sitting next to Putin. What an idiot. You can't make this stuff up. He is ill prepared to be President.
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
You're misquoting him. What he said was "Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it's Russia."J.R. said:He said and I quote "some of my people, Dan Coats and others have told me Russia might have something to do with it". "However President Putin was very forceful and telling me Russia had nothing to do with" All I can do is ask the question". Firstly Mr. Coats who heads up the NSA told him Russia DID do it. So, Trumps lied about that. Secondly, he basically said....well Vlad told me he didn't do it, so I won't doubt him. That is what was said. I encourage you to watch the entire presser. Fairly unbelievable. Not 1 Republican has come out and defended is actions and words today. Now, that is telling.Osodecentx said:What exactly did he say?J.R. said:
Whilst sitting next to Putin. What an idiot. You can't make this stuff up. He is ill prepared to be President.
In private, maybe. It was never going to happen during the press conference. The reporters who asked the question knew it, the politicians and pundits who cry treason all know it, and everybody here knows it too.Doc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
Why not just skip right to declaring war and letting those ICBMs fly! I doubt that would be attacked any more venomously by his haters than what he actually said today.......Doc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
He doesn't seem to mind taking women leaders to task in very public and disrespectful ways. Why coon for Trump so much?Doc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
". . . what mattered was that Trump's answers were indistinguishable from Putin's, starting with the fundamental claim that Putin's assurances about interference in U.S. democracy ("He was incredibly strong and confident in his denial") deserved belief over those of his own Department of Justice ("I think the probe is a disaster for our country")." James Fallows
Waco1947 ,la
Shame **** just 30 years later.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
. False dilemma. There are better ways to call out PutinDoc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
Waco1947 ,la
You expect Trump to point the finger when Mueller and Rosenrat can't even run a proper investigation?Waco1947 said:
". . . what mattered was that Trump's answers were indistinguishable from Putin's, starting with the fundamental claim that Putin's assurances about interference in U.S. democracy ("He was incredibly strong and confident in his denial") deserved belief over those of his own Department of Justice ("I think the probe is a disaster for our country")." James Fallows
And you expect him to trust them when they are raiding his lawyers office and going after everyone on his campaign for **** from a decade ago?
You have to be out of your mind to think he will agree with the media and democrats.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Yes.Doc Holliday said:You expect Trump to point the finger when Mueller and Rosenrat can't even run a proper investigation?Waco1947 said:
". . . what mattered was that Trump's answers were indistinguishable from Putin's, starting with the fundamental claim that Putin's assurances about interference in U.S. democracy ("He was incredibly strong and confident in his denial") deserved belief over those of his own Department of Justice ("I think the probe is a disaster for our country")." James Fallows
And you expect him to trust them when they are raiding his lawyers office and going after everyone on his campaign for **** from a decade ago?
You have to be out of your mind to think he will agree with the media and democrats.
This is important. When asked if he had Kompromat on Trump, Putin did not say no. He demurred:
Lemire asked Putin whether he has compromising information on the U.S. president (such as the salacious allegations outlined in the infamous dossier), Putin didn't deny the claim, simply replying: "I did hear these rumors. When President Trump visited Moscow back then, I didn't even know he was in Moscow . . . Nobody informed me that he was in Moscow . . . Please disregard these issues."
Lemire asked Putin whether he has compromising information on the U.S. president (such as the salacious allegations outlined in the infamous dossier), Putin didn't deny the claim, simply replying: "I did hear these rumors. When President Trump visited Moscow back then, I didn't even know he was in Moscow . . . Nobody informed me that he was in Moscow . . . Please disregard these issues."
Who the hell is Joe Walsh?
Osodecentx said:
Who the hell is Joe Walsh?
Former Tea Party guy from Illinois. He held Tammy Duckworth's seat before her.
My people come to me...they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be."
--Trump
That's how a press conference sounds when an Asset stands next to his Handler.
Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele
--Trump
That's how a press conference sounds when an Asset stands next to his Handler.
Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele
Henry Gondorff said:I think that Putin was very pleased with Trump's performance. Putin preferred Trump over HRC and admitted it today. I am still LMAO over that one. Let that sink in. HRC is tougher than Trump. You cannot script that one!HuMcK said:
He preferred Trump because Trump is actually saner than HRC. Let that sink in.
Doc Holliday said:
The FACT is the FBI has NEVER seen the DNC servers - NEVER. It could NEVER be determined IF there was a 'hack' without seeing those servers. That notion is patently impossible.
The claimed 'area of breach' has NEVER been investigated. Claims of a 'hack' are PURE FICTION.
There is more than one way to prove a crime. Under your theory every murderer who successfully hides the body must go free.
No, I think it is a bad idea to meet with him period. I give Trumps credit for trying , but he is just not capable. Moreover, go out on the world's stage and basically say Putin is right and America is wrong. Disgusting.Doc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
Actually, I cannot fathom any President we have ever had during my lifetime, Nixon, Carter, Ford, Bush, Willie, Bush, Barry doing what the Trumps did today. This is not in anyway partisan. This is about our country and our values. HRC or Romney would not have done what he did today, either. Not sure, I know anyone who would. He flunked, bad.Henry Gondorff said:I think that Putin was very pleased with Trump's performance. Putin preferred Trump over HRC and admitted it today. I am still LMAO over that one. Let that sink in. HRC is tougher than Trump. You cannot script that one!HuMcK said:
No, I think we all know that's not the case. LOL... Putin said in front of the world that he preferred Trump. It was either b/c he thought HRC was tougher or he knew he had Trump in his back pocket and would actively undermine the United States. Trump's Oval Office confession to weakening sanctions to toadying up to Putin... Yep, that's your boy. Putin chose wisely!Sam Lowry said:Henry Gondorff said:I think that Putin was very pleased with Trump's performance. Putin preferred Trump over HRC and admitted it today. I am still LMAO over that one. Let that sink in. HRC is tougher than Trump. You cannot script that one!HuMcK said:
He preferred Trump because Trump is actually saner than HRC. Let that sink in.
Former member of the Eagles. "Life's been good to me so far"Osodecentx said:
Who the hell is Joe Walsh?
It's pretty crazy. The equivalent would almost be like if Nixon met with Mao Zedong.J.R. said:Actually, I cannot fathom any President we have ever had during my lifetime, Nixon, Carter, Ford, Bush, Willie, Bush, Barry doing what the Trumps did today. This is not in anyway partisan. This is about our country and our values. HRC or Romney would not have done what he did today, either. Not sure, I know anyone who would. He flunked, bad.Henry Gondorff said:I think that Putin was very pleased with Trump's performance. Putin preferred Trump over HRC and admitted it today. I am still LMAO over that one. Let that sink in. HRC is tougher than Trump. You cannot script that one!HuMcK said:
Doc Holliday said:
Do you think it would be good for our President to call the leader of Russia a crook, a liar and a murderer to his face in front of the world to see or even in private? Do you really think that would be beneficial?
I think it would help if the rest of the world understood that the leading democracy favors democracy.
If Obama had done the equivalent you would be rioting in the streets.
Sam Lowry said:It's pretty crazy. The equivalent would almost be like if Nixon met with Mao Zedong...after Nixon outsourced the Watergate break-in to the Chinese intelligence serviceJ.R. said:Actually, I cannot fathom any President we have ever had during my lifetime, Nixon, Carter, Ford, Bush, Willie, Bush, Barry doing what the Trumps did today. This is not in anyway partisan. This is about our country and our values. HRC or Romney would not have done what he did today, either. Not sure, I know anyone who would. He flunked, bad.Henry Gondorff said:I think that Putin was very pleased with Trump's performance. Putin preferred Trump over HRC and admitted it today. I am still LMAO over that one. Let that sink in. HRC is tougher than Trump. You cannot script that one!HuMcK said:
I completed that thought for you.