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Oldbear83 said:

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twd74 said:

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I think FDR had it right in 1933.

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Was FDR right in 1942?

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OK, 1933 was his statement "Nothing to fear but fear itself" at his inauguration.
Lots of issues with FDR otherwise. Was your referent to 1942 something to do with his mistress?

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No, it was in relation to a rather significant decision regarding Japanese-Americans.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Was FDR right in 1942?

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OK, 1933 was his statement "Nothing to fear but fear itself" at his inauguration.
Lots of issues with FDR otherwise. Was your referent to 1942 something to do with his mistress?

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No, it was in relation to a rather significant decision regarding Japanese-Americans.

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Yes, a very bad decision by FDR and a dark moment in our History.

Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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9. ...and some introspection

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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9. ...and some introspection

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...and a serious increase in dosage .

Canada2017 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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9. ...and some introspection

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...and a serious increase in dosage .

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Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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What a nut.

PacificBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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What a nut.

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We need an isolated island to send them all. Waco, Cinque and their ilk are cancer to our country! Unchecked they'll destroy it and we're just sitting back and allowing it too

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Dachau
1. Still praying
2. Heart is broken
3. God be with the victims. Eli Wiesel was helpful here
4. Victor Frankel also opens a way to get through suffering - love and relationships
5. Victims, victims, Victims
6. Guards - everyday guys. The guards finally refused to cremate and especially hated firing squads.
7. God help us in our hate
8. I need more prayer

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9. ...and some introspection

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very true. Hatred in my own heart

Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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Id disagree. The majority of government sponsored mass killings are carried out by some form of socialist/communist regime.

Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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LOL!!! You criticizing someone for not understanding something...LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Socialism is an ideology shared by you, the democrats and the national socialists. You are all advocates for murder and slavery. Your party affiliation is irrelevant given that your ideology is the same.

Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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When will they be arriving at WACO47's door to take him to the asylum?

Asking for several friends

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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I'm trying to decide if you are constantly drunk or actually ret@rded.

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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That doesn't even make sense.

You're failing at trying to downplay that it was socialists who had a sense of racial supremacy who were responsible for what you saw.

And you've demonstrated for everyone that worshipping the state like a socialist such as yourself can make the mind believe crazy things.

I bet deep down you'd put conservatives and republicans in camps while thinking you're virtuous for doing so.

Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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That you could even post a comment linking heroes like Lincoln , Washington, and Churchill with monsters like Hitler and Stalin, not only invalidates any point you were trying to make, but also brings your perspective into serious doubt, Waco.

God, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

Waco1947 said:

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God, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

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Are you seriously suggesting the two are comparable, in purpose, effect, or identity?

If you do, God help you, seriously.

Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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God, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

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Are you seriously suggesting the two are comparable, in purpose, effect, or identity?

If you do, God help you, seriously.

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No I am suggesting immoral people have power
God help you understand a simple concept - for better or for worse do People's effect history. Obviously yes. But you appear to be ignorant on this notion. How can I help?

Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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God, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

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Are you seriously suggesting the two are comparable, in purpose, effect, or identity?

If you do, God help you, seriously.

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No I am suggesting immoral people have power
God help you understand a simple concept - for better or for worse do People's effect history. Obviously yes. But you appear to be ignorant on this notion. How can I help?

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You keep arguing a moral relativity argument, Waco. Then desperately try to change what you said when called on it.

Just stop, Waco. It not only does nothing to help your argument, it makes you look craven, an apologist for the worst humans in the last century.

Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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GIod, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

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Are you seriously suggesting the two are comparable, in purpose, effect, or identity?

If you do, God help you, seriously.

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In Waco1947's defense, "evil" figures have shaped the course and history of the world just as "good" ones. I believe that was solely his point and not that they had any type of moral equivalence.

90sBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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GIod, what insanity! Historical figures, for good or evil, are one of many factors that affect history.
Did Jesus affect history? Yes.
Did Judas affect histo? Yes.

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Are you seriously suggesting the two are comparable, in purpose, effect, or identity?

If you do, God help you, seriously.

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In Waco1947's defense, "evil" figures have shaped the course and history of the world just as "good" ones. I believe that was solely his point and not that they had any type of moral equivalence.

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If so, Waco needs to choose his words far more carefully.

Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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That doesn't even make sense.

You're failing at trying to downplay that it was socialists who had a sense of racial supremacy who were responsible for what you saw.

And you've demonstrated for everyone that worshipping the state like a socialist such as yourself can make the mind believe crazy things.

I bet deep down you'd put conservatives and republicans in camps while thinking you're virtuous for doing so.

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Please stop confusing Socialism with National Socialism. Hitler was the extreme enemy of all things Socialism-- a political force he often referred to as Jewish Socialism. Hitler, within a year of taking power, eliminated trade unions and executed or imprisoned their leaders--does this sound like socialism to you? Just because a party uses the name socialism does not define what they are: Many of the Communist Satellite countries set up after WW2 were called "Democratic Republics" They weren't.

Socialism and Communism voiced no racial supremacy notions (although some leaders were racist), but separated people by class struggle. Persecuted minorities like the Jews in Europe were often drawn to socialism because of the perception they were indifferent to race/religion.

Finally, National Socialism was a Capitalism/Fascist enterprise: Hitler was quite favored by Business in Germany and all the major industrialists. He used his autocratic power to seize the Businesses of "Undesirables" and rewarded Capitalists that supported him. The Nation Worship and Leader Worship that emerged in Germany in the 1930s came from a complex of circumstances--many unique to Germany at the time. While Soviet Union encouraged devotion to its leaders -- more to the party except under Stalin--it never came anywhere close to what manifested in Germany.

twd74 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember it was national socialists who were responsible.

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Did I forget to say your comment shows a total lack of understanding of history? Political Parties ebb and flow in meaning. They are not frozen in time.

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National Socialists is a reference to the word NAZI. And the last time I checked, they were responsible for the Holocaust.

Nazi literally stands for 'national socialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

It appears you didn't learn anything there.

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context, changing cultures, geogrophy, political all stars (Lincoln, Washington, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill,). You know nothing about history

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That doesn't even make sense.

You're failing at trying to downplay that it was socialists who had a sense of racial supremacy who were responsible for what you saw.

And you've demonstrated for everyone that worshipping the state like a socialist such as yourself can make the mind believe crazy things.

I bet deep down you'd put conservatives and republicans in camps while thinking you're virtuous for doing so.

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Please stop confusing Socialism with National Socialism. Hitler was the extreme enemy of all things Socialism-- a political force he often referred to as Jewish Socialism. Hitler, within a year of taking power, eliminated trade unions and executed or imprisoned their leaders--does this sound like socialism to you? Just because a party uses the name socialism does not define what they are: Many of the Communist Satellite countries set up after WW2 were called "Democratic Republics" They weren't.

Socialism and Communism voiced no racial supremacy notions (although some leaders were racist), but separated people by class struggle. Persecuted minorities like the Jews in Europe were often drawn to socialism because of the perception they were indifferent to race/religion.

Finally, National Socialism was a Capitalism/Fascist enterprise: Hitler was quite favored by Business in Germany and all the major industrialists. He used his autocratic power to seize the Businesses of "Undesirables" and rewarded Capitalists that supported him. The Nation Worship and Leader Worship that emerged in Germany in the 1930s came from a complex of circumstances--many unique to Germany at the time. While Soviet Union encouraged devotion to its leaders -- more to the party except under Stalin--it never came anywhere close to what manifested in Germany.

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6,000,000 died from evil not ideology. They died because of stirred up fear and anger. 6,000,000 died
Only 32,000 at Dachau but there were over 42,000 sites..
6,000,000.

Nice Picture--liked the movie. Statement is about as useless as "All Governments are agencies of coercion." Yeah, but everything that is important to human existence depends upon the nature and extent of the coercion we live under.

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Nice Picture--liked the movie. Statement is about as useless as "All Governments are agencies of coercion." Yeah, but everything that is important to human existence depends upon the nature and extent of the coercion we live under.

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Nope. Collectivism always subordinates the individual's rights to the state and assumes rights are derived from the state. It always treats citizens as slaves and, while you may think variations in slavery (house v field) are tremendously important, a slave is still a slave. Slaves are property. Slaves are executed or starved to death with the only justification being the needs, wants or demands of the state.

That all government has a monopoly on force is not a remotely valid analogy.

Waco1947 said:

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6,000,000 died from evil not ideology. They died because of stirred up fear and anger. 6,000,000 died
Only 32,000 at Dachau but there were over 42,000 sites..
6,000,000.

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Far more than 6 million were murdered by the Nazi's.

Stalin murdered over 6 million.

Mao murdered approaching 20 million ....primarily his own people.

Pol Pot murdered 30% of the entire population of Cambodia.

Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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6,000,000 died from evil not ideology. They died because of stirred up fear and anger. 6,000,000 died
Only 32,000 at Dachau but there were over 42,000 sites..
6,000,000.

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Far more than 6 million were murdered by the Nazi's.

Stalin murdered over 6 million.

Mao murdered approaching 20 million ....primarily his own people.

Pol Pot murdered 30% of the entire population of Cambodia.

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Venezuela is in process or starving its population into oblivion.

GolemIII said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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6,000,000 died from evil not ideology. They died because of stirred up fear and anger. 6,000,000 died
Only 32,000 at Dachau but there were over 42,000 sites..
6,000,000.

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Far more than 6 million were murdered by the Nazi's.

Stalin murdered over 6 million.

Mao murdered approaching 20 million ....primarily his own people.

Pol Pot murdered 30% of the entire population of Cambodia.

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Venezuela is in process or starving its population into oblivion.

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True. Surprised we haven't seen a mass exodus from Venezuela as what happened with Syria. I know Colombia has seen thousands of refugees.

Tribalism in Africa has murdered hundreds of thousands. Almost no one talks about it .

God weeps

Waco1947 said:

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God weeps

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For your hypocritical azz!