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Last: 5 yr ago by Florda_mike
I get the celebrating now in the short term, since this letter is tailor made for the kind of headlines Trump wanted out of it. But surely even the Right has to understand that in the long-term, this letter isn't going to cut it. Barr's conclusions by themselves aren't enough, and there are enough loose threads left hanging by this letter that we need to see at least some of the underlying report.
The only direct quote provided from the Mueller Report on the subject states that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". That's a very brief snippet from what is surely a very lengthy explanation. "Did not establish" is also very different from "no evidence" or "established that X did not happen", and the words "Russian Government" are doing a lot of work there when you consider the revelation that Manafort was dealing regularly with an ex Russian GRU agent.
There is also thought to be at least 1 evidentiary subpoena issued by Mueller that is still being litigated, which raises questions of its own about how a report was issued without that wrapped up. I'm also curious why Jerome Corsi was never charged after (he says) being notified to expect it for lying. Unfortunately, for now it seems that a lot of questions will remain unaddressed, and a lot of people will pretend that is not so to declare victory.
The only direct quote provided from the Mueller Report on the subject states that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". That's a very brief snippet from what is surely a very lengthy explanation. "Did not establish" is also very different from "no evidence" or "established that X did not happen", and the words "Russian Government" are doing a lot of work there when you consider the revelation that Manafort was dealing regularly with an ex Russian GRU agent.
There is also thought to be at least 1 evidentiary subpoena issued by Mueller that is still being litigated, which raises questions of its own about how a report was issued without that wrapped up. I'm also curious why Jerome Corsi was never charged after (he says) being notified to expect it for lying. Unfortunately, for now it seems that a lot of questions will remain unaddressed, and a lot of people will pretend that is not so to declare victory.
LOL
I feared that once this investigation was over the democrats would no longer be compelled to anally fixate on the issue.
My fears have been assuaged.
My fears have been assuaged.
Sadly, the Fake News narrative was proven accurate.
https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-dems-media-predict-mueller-probe-results-impeachme
https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-dems-media-predict-mueller-probe-results-impeachme
I'm in
This was all sound and fury from shrieking demagogues furious at losing. None of them ever truly believed Trump colluded with Russia. If they did, they wouldn't have kept lying to try and prove it or kept laughably claiming campaign speeches about Wikileaks were both secret AND blatant code to Putin. It fooled the fools, but no one else.
Investigation was camo for Obama, Hillary etc doing same thing
Does anyone believe there'd be NO MORE INDICTMENTS if they were investigated?
Serious question
Does anyone believe there'd be NO MORE INDICTMENTS if they were investigated?
Serious question
GolemIII said:
This was all sound and fury from shrieking demagogues furious at losing. None of them ever truly believed Trump colluded with Russia. If they did, they wouldn't have kept lying to try and prove it or kept laughably claiming campaign speeches about Wikileaks were both secret AND blatant code to Putin. It fooled the fools, but no one else.
Disagree
Mob mentality took over ( still does ) . Leftist repeated the same lies to each other......over and over....to the point they actually came to believe it .
Canada2017 said:GolemIII said:
This was all sound and fury from shrieking demagogues furious at losing. None of them ever truly believed Trump colluded with Russia. If they did, they wouldn't have kept lying to try and prove it or kept laughably claiming campaign speeches about Wikileaks were both secret AND blatant code to Putin. It fooled the fools, but no one else.
Disagree
Mob mentality took over ( still does ) . Leftist repeated the same lies to each other......over and over....to the point they actually came to believe it .
They had the same hope Trump colluded w Russia that conservatives had that Comey would enforce the law against HRC's law breaking. They knew it was a groundless hope, but hoped it anyway.
GolemIII said:Canada2017 said:GolemIII said:
This was all sound and fury from shrieking demagogues furious at losing. None of them ever truly believed Trump colluded with Russia. If they did, they wouldn't have kept lying to try and prove it or kept laughably claiming campaign speeches about Wikileaks were both secret AND blatant code to Putin. It fooled the fools, but no one else.
Disagree
Mob mentality took over ( still does ) . Leftist repeated the same lies to each other......over and over....to the point they actually came to believe it .
They had the same hope Trump colluded w Russia that conservatives had that Comey would enforce the law against HRC's law breaking. They knew it was a groundless hope, but hoped it anyway.
All of this should evidence....just how close we came....to the end of real democracy in this country .
The fix was so firmly established on behalf of Hillary Clinton....only one Dem even bothered to contest her nomination. A relative nobody....but even though it was obvious Hillary was a seriously flawed candidate ...the fear of her power was so great the DNC screwed Bernie over anyway .
Then 80% of the media blasted Trump almost hourly on Hillary's behalf . Desperately ignoring her scandals and acting as her election was merely a matter of time .
The abuses conducted by officials in the FBI and DOJ against the Republican nominee for president are unprecedented. They make Watergate look like a high school prank by comparison.
And if Hillary had in fact become POTUS...as expected ...none of these Deep State abuses of power would have ever been exposed
What's hilarious is the egg on the face of liberal congressman and the media for 2 1/2 years. So what do they do after realizing they lied and pushed a fraud and conspiracy theory by someone they 100% supported for 2.5 years? They double down and demand more investigations.
How desperate are these people? Zero common sense but this is what they think of their voters. They think they are morons and will believe anything they say.
How desperate are these people? Zero common sense but this is what they think of their voters. They think they are morons and will believe anything they say.
HuMcK said:
I get the celebrating now in the short term, since this letter is tailor made for the kind of headlines Trump wanted out of it. But surely even the Right has to understand that in the long-term, this letter isn't going to cut it. Barr's conclusions by themselves aren't enough, and there are enough loose threads left hanging by this letter that we need to see at least some of the underlying report.
The only direct quote provided from the Mueller Report on the subject states that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". That's a very brief snippet from what is surely a very lengthy explanation. "Did not establish" is also very different from "no evidence" or "established that X did not happen", and the words "Russian Government" are doing a lot of work there when you consider the revelation that Manafort was dealing regularly with an ex Russian GRU agent.
There is also thought to be at least 1 evidentiary subpoena issued by Mueller that is still being litigated, which raises questions of its own about how a report was issued without that wrapped up. I'm also curious why Jerome Corsi was never charged after (he says) being notified to expect it for lying. Unfortunately, for now it seems that a lot of questions will remain unaddressed, and a lot of people will pretend that is not so to declare victory.
But...but ....but gosh it's fun to gloat thinking you're right. It beats heck out of reality.
And the report does not exonerate dt for being a stupid jerk.
dt supporters have a way of emptying words of their meaning.
Lies do that.
Lies do that.
Waco1947 said:
dt supporters have a way of emptying words of their meaning.
Lies do that.
Like when you try to turn God into god with a little g?