2nd Waco church splits from Texas Baptist group over LGBTQ acceptance

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2nd Waco church splits from Texas Baptist group over LGBTQ acceptance

University Baptist Church has formally withdrawn from the Baptist General Convention of Texas after the Waco church's leadership voted to allow same-sex marriage.
While the withdrawal was voluntary, the last Waco church to leave the convention was expelled after it changed its policies to formally welcome LGBTQ members. University Baptist's vote was twofold. Leaders took one vote to allow its pastors to decide individually whether they would perform the marriages and a second vote to open the church building to same-sex ceremonies. The church announced its decision May 21 on its blog.
"Though it is not our polity at UBC to take congregational votes, In January we said that it was our aim to come to our best collective theological conclusions on these decisions, and so it is important to share that our votes were consistent with both congregational and pastoral feedback," the announcement states. "We know that for some this announcement comes with great joy and we sit with and among you today."

Church leaders deliberated for four months before putting the issue to a vote, said Rebekah Kimminau, who attends University Baptist with her fiancee, Anna McFarland.
"They wanted every member of the congregation to feel heard, so it didn't feel that sudden," Kimminau said. "January was when the process started, and they announced their decision in May, so it never felt rushed or like everything was happening at once."
She said staff communicated with LGBTQ members ahead of time, and while University Baptist Church is home to fair number of LGBTQ worshipers, the majority of people in support of the decision are straight allies.
"As far as keeping us in the loop, they did an amazing job making sure we felt safe and informed, trying to make sure if there was going to be an uncomfortable decision, we knew about it beforehand," Kimminau said.
University Baptist, the second Waco church to split from the Baptist General Convention of Texas over the issue of same-sex marriage, was affiliated with the convention since 1995. Longtime congregant and former community pastor Craig Nash said while he supported the decision, it was destined to be a difficult one.
"It's a big decision churches have to make," Nash said. "In our setting, there's going to be pain and grief one way or another."

The Baptist General Convention of Texas received and accepted a letter of voluntary withdrawal from University Baptist late last month, convention spokesman Joshua Minatrea said.
About 70 churches in Waco are affiliated with the convention, giving them access to scholarships for members, as well as other resources.
"Affiliation offers congregations the opportunity to participate in cooperative missions in Texas and beyond, as well as access to a host of church administration and ministry resources," Minatrea said. "Members of affiliated congregations have the opportunity to receive financial assistance to attend a variety of ministry-related academic programs endorsed by the convention."

For a congregation with close and enduring ties to Baylor University students, the decision to become unaffiliated is no small one. About 200 congregation members attend Baylor, and church leadership estimates more than 20 receive scholarships through the convention as undergraduates or as students at Baylor's George W. Truett Theological Seminary. Minatrea said students who join an affiliated church can retain their scholarships, but those who do not will lose them.
Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman said it is "anticipated that full-time faculty members at Truett Seminary will worship at a BGCT-affiliated church," though there is no written requirement that they do.
When the convention cut ties with Lake Shore Baptist Church in Waco and two other churches in 2016, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship of Texas created a temporary fund to fill in the gaps and cover students who lost convention scholarship money.
"They'd entered school, thought they'd had all their bases covered, and then lost that," said Rick McClatchy, field coordinator for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. "I don't know if we can continue to do that in the future."
There is no opposition to extending the program in theory, but members would have to agree to set aside more money, McClatchy said.
"We were doing it for students caught in the bind, not a permanent program," he said. "We'll have to sort of look at that as we get more students in this situation. If churches want to work together to try to fund it, that will be the key thing."
YoakDaddy
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Every single one of the leaders of that church are Truett Seminary graduates. If that's the kind of non-biblical trash teaching and leadership coming out of Baylor, no thanks.
Golem
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2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
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GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
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GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.


Do tell?

Please explain your statement?
Osodecentx
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.
This is one of the things that distinguishes one church and a denomination from another. In my mind, it is a problem for Truett, not this church.
Golem
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.


No. Just the churches who explicitly condone explicitly delineated moral sin, as per the Bible. You know...that book you don't believe in.
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GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.


No. Just the churches who explicitly condone explicitly delineated moral sin, as per the Bible. You know...that book you don't believe in.


Thanks for answering my questions in my last post above
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1947's church?
whitetrash
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In 20 years it's gone from the Basilica of the Abandoned Grocery Store to Our Lady of Shoddy Electrical Wiring to the Church of the Open Back Door.
GoldMind
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You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
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GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.

GoldMind
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ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
Golem
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


You're either remarkably ignorant or willfully remarkably ignorant. Which is it?
ScottS
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible
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It's scary how some people are allowed to be in a church leadership position with these beliefs.

Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation but you don't condone and encourage their sin nor would I want them to do it for my sin either.

It's amazing how many miss the Bible's teachings on culture and what was predicted. They fell for Satan's trap here. All you can do is pray for them, no need to hate on them or cause more division.
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ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
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riflebear said:

It's scary how some people are allowed to be in a church leadership position with these beliefs.

Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation but you don't condone and encourage their sin nor would I want them to do it for my sin either.

It's amazing how many miss the Bible's teachings on culture and what was predicted. They fell for Satan's trap here. All you can do is pray for them, no need to hate on them or cause more division.

It's scary that a Baptist seminary is graduating "church leaders" like this. Looks like Truett is teaching the biblical buffet...it's all there; just believe and teach whatever you want.....
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?



Of course but not to the point of saying sin is ok. Ignoring the bible isnt a goid idea.
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.
You're a different kind of crazy.
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GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.


"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
John 21:24.

He never denounced peophilia, marrying your sister, alcoholism, or having sex with dogs, either...

...during his earthly ministry. But seeing how He is God the Son, and as such also is responsible for the material in the apostles' letters and Old Testament, you may have a bit of a problem.

But hey, if "READ ROMANS AND LEVITICUS, DUMBASS" are the last words you want to hear on the elevator to hell, be my guest.

Quote:

Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?

No.

His message was penitence, not acceptance.

In his own words:

"Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
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riflebear said:

Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?
canoso
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GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Didn't have to. His daddy had ruled it out from the beginning.
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YoakDaddy said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.

But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?
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applemacg4 said:

riflebear said:

Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?


If they want to show up on Sundays and hear the sermon - absolutely yes.
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?



Repentance was His message. All else hinges here, including love.
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GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.
There are several problems with your way of thinking/interpretation of the bible.

1. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is 1 of the 3 persons of God and the whole bible is inspired by God. This means that other parts of the bible are effectively the word of Jesus even though he may not have directly said them in his human form. For you to claim otherwise would mean you would have to prove that Paul was a liar and his words did come from inspiration of God.
2. You made the claim that Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality. But even if you want to strictly adhere to only things Jesus said as Jesus, you can't make this claim because you don't have a record of everything Jesus said and did. The gospels are merely an accounting of some of his deeds and words. He very well could have spoke out against homosexuality but the disciples felt it was redundant to include given other prohibitions in Leviticus.
3. If you start playing a la carte Christianity where you go by only what Jesus said in the gospels or some other limiting standard, you are going to have all kinds of problems on all kinds of issues. From the beginning, Christianity has not been limited by this method so it is silly for you to do so now some 2,000 years after the source.
4. You actually undermine your argument of the value of Jesus by criticizing the OT given that the OT is full of the prophecies of Jesus' later arrival. I also doubt that you are adhering to other strict covenants if you exclude the other writings of the bible. Have you sold all your belongings and are sleeping outdoors? I doubt it.
5. You are making a strong case about love. But what exactly is love? I will assert love is wanting the greatest good for someone. In this context, you can't justify supporting homosexuality since it is known as a sin and doing so would lead to people going to hell. It is also difficult to lead a godly life when you are in active rebellion of God's commandments. Don't forget Jesus said in John 15:14, if you love me, keep my commandments. And the commandment that Jesus said that was most important of all in Matthew 22:36-38 was that you are to love the Lord your God with ALL your heart, soul and mind. How can you claim to do this if you are committing or endorsing habitual sin?
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Meladee said:

YoakDaddy said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.

But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?
He had harsh words for the Canaanite woman of whose daughter he helped. He also had harsh words for Peter and one might argue even Judas. I believe he also criticized the crowd of 5,000 or 4,000 that he gave the fish and wine too. Heck, he even made his mother and half brother wait to prove a point that his family was really those who followed God. And if memory serves, he also did not do miracles in his hometown because they were not deserving and certain other places he ignored ministering to altogether. Jesus was not the children's Barney character and he did judge and criticize others.
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Meladee said:

YoakDaddy said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.

But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?

Calling out a sinful action that's inconsistent with God's teaching done in a loving manner is not throwing stones. If you think I am, then you've got some deeper spiritual issues that a message board cannot heal or you've got forgiveness to seek.
Meladee
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BaylorFTW said:

Meladee said:

YoakDaddy said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.




Eyeroll.

The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.

God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.

The Bible says a lot of things.


So u don't like the bible


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.

But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?
He had harsh words for the Canaanite woman of whose daughter he helped. He also had harsh words for Peter and one might argue even Judas. I believe he also criticized the crowd of 5,000 or 4,000 that he gave the fish and wine too. Heck, he even made his mother and half brother wait to prove a point that his family was really those who followed God. And if memory serves, he also did not do miracles in his hometown because they were not deserving and certain other places he ignored ministering to altogether. Jesus was not the children's Barney character and he did judge and criticize others.

Those weren't harsh words with the Canaanite woman, the greek makes that plain. Most scholars believe he was making a joke with her

I don't think he was criticizing the crowds of 4k and 5k, he was challenging them to come to a higher place of faith.

Making family wait to understand he wasn't there's to command isn't being harsh.

He didn't do miracles in their hometown because they had no faith. They saw him as the little boy who'd grown up there and therefore he couldn't be the Messiah in their eyes. That's not harsh, it's wisdom.

I never remotely refered to Jesus as Barney...

SMH

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The prostitute at the well. Showed love and offered heavenly water to "thirst" no more. Ended by saying "Go and sin no more."
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GoldMind said:


Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?


How could Jesus possibly mean that when they had absolutely no concept of that term? I mean, the 2019 John Stuart Mills concept of "acceptance" is something that would be completely and utterly alien to Greek culture 2000 years ago, to say nothing of a dirt poor itinerant preaching Jew in Galilee. Greek / Jewish culture 2K years ago had no concept of the "self" as we think of it today, so it's completely and totally impossible to use the word "acceptance" like we mean it today.

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Meladee said:

The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.

But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?

He also said that he did not come to bring peace, but the sword, and spoke in exceptionally apocalyptic imagery when he wasn't using farming metaphors.

It's almost as if picking and choosing individual sections of the Bible without understanding the whole of Special Revelation in its proper context leads to contradictions.
 
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