2nd Waco church splits from Texas Baptist group over LGBTQ acceptance

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I've never heard a Christian believe this? If the worst scum on earth wanted to attend church and hear the pastor then I don't know any pastor who would turn them away. Now if they were there w/ an agenda to disrupt the service then of course they should be escorted out.

I hate to break it to you, but I'd be willing to bet there isn't a church in this world with over 50 people in it whose congregation is 100% believers. I don't know what church you go to, but I'd recommend finding another one if your pastor doesn't want to speak to non believers during their service. Not all sermons are catered to non believers of course but I don't know any pastor who would say please leave so I can only talk to the 'Christians'.

That's because you don't know the history of your own faith.

"The Bible records (Acts 19) that the Apostle Paul while visiting some people who were described as "disciples", established they had received the baptism of John for the repentance of sins but had not yet heard of or received the Holy Spirit. Further, from the second century it appears that baptisms were held only at certain times of year, indicating that periods of instruction were the rule rather than the exception. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes: "As the acceptance of Christianity involved belief in a body of doctrine and the observance of the Divine law ("teach, make disciples, scholars of them"; "teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you", Matthew 28:20 [see Great Commission]), it is clear that some sort of preliminary instruction must have been given to the converts." See also Council of Jerusalem. Justin Martyr, in his First Apology, cites instruction as occurring prior to baptism: As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we praying and fasting with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.

The "persuasion" would be carried out by the preaching of an evangelist; but since belief must precede baptism, the person concerned should be prepared spiritually to receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit through baptism. That person would receive the sign of the Cross and possibly aspersion with holy water from a minister, indicating their entry to the state of catechumen.
In the early church, catechumens were instructed (catechized) in the basic elements of the faith such as the Apostles' Creed, Lord's Prayer, and sacraments in preparation for baptism.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechesis#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGreen19961415-11][11][/url]

Catechumens were limited as to their attendance in formal services. As unbaptized, they could not actively take part in any service, for that was reserved for those baptized. One practice permitted them to remain in the first part of the mass, but even in the earliest centuries dismissed them before the Eucharist. Others had them entering through a side door, or observing from the side, from a gallery, or near the font; while it was not unknown to bar them from all services until baptized."

If the choice comes to agreeing with the practice of Christians who met and knew Jesus, and those that met and knew those who knew Him or some skinny jeans wearing guy 2000 years later who lisps and talks with his hands for 20 minutes following a 40 minute Brittany Spears concert, I'll take the former...thanks.
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Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

5. within the parameters of Godliness? What does that even mean?
Good question! It means "who is included in God's love?"
Does our sexual identity make a difference to God? Does God care?
Anything?
Waco1947
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fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.
YoakDaddy
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Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Waco1947
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YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.
YoakDaddy
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Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Waco1947
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YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Show me the word Homosexuality in the Bible.
YoakDaddy
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Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Show me the word Homosexuality in the Bible.

An orientation is only man's justification for sinful behavior. That behavior as described by St. Paul is sinful just like other behavior outside of God's direction. Keep trying tho! Hahahaha!!!!
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Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Show me the word Homosexuality in the Bible.
Show me the endorsement of homosexuality in the bible.
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Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Show me the word Homosexuality in the Bible.
Show me the endorsement of homosexuality in the bible.
I believe it is somewhere in the back.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Walk away guys. This cat is a major troll and should be avoided. 47'll just double down on the lack of common ground for discussion and feed the rhetorical circle jerk.
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GrowlTowel said:

Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.

Romans 1:24-32
Not even a good try. That's about behavior not an orientation.

Deny the Gospel all you want. HaHaHaHa!!!
Show me the word Homosexuality in the Bible.
Show me the endorsement of homosexuality in the bible.
I believe it is somewhere in the back.


I see what u did there
Waco1947
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Code Breaking
"We welcome gays here. we are all born sinners or we are all born with issues or we are all broken or we live in a fallen world, etc."

CODE (What they really mean!): Being LGBTQ is sin. Gays are broken and need to be fixed.
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Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I
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Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
"We welcome gays here. we are all born sinners or we are all born with issues or we are all broken or we live in a fallen world, etc."

CODE (What they really mean!): Being LGBTQ is sin. Gays are broken and need to be fixed.
Saying either is correct.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I
Saying either is correct.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Code Breaking
love gay people and I sit with them and show them what the Bible clearly says about homosexuals.
CODE: The Bible condemns homosexuality.
fadskier
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Waco1947 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

ScottS said:

GoldMind said:

You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?

Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.

Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-

Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-

If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.


The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?
They did not write about it.
Actually they did. Do you need the verses?
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Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
"We welcome gays here. we are all born sinners or we are all born with issues or we are all broken or we live in a fallen world, etc."

CODE (What they really mean!): Being LGBTQ is sin. Gays are broken and need to be fixed.
Correct. We are all broken because of various sins and need Jesus to fix us. Finally. You get it.
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
YoakDaddy
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Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.
Waco1947
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YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor
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witchmo said:

Walk away guys. This cat is a major troll and should be avoided. 47'll just double down on the lack of common ground for discussion and feed the rhetorical circle jerk.

Though he may be a troll, I'll disagree with you in this way- the more we get him to talk, the more ridiculous his stance looks, and that only helps the cause. Whatever he thinks or the ideas he supports loses instant credibility, so much so that I think even the leftist posters on here would rather him not agree with them or give props to their comments.

Also, I would hardly characerize defending biblical truth as a "rhetorical circle jerk".
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Can we all agree that child molesting is sinful and hurts God's church? I hope so. Can we all agree that this is what arsenokoitai means? I pray so.
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

witchmo said:

Walk away guys. This cat is a major troll and should be avoided. 47'll just double down on the lack of common ground for discussion and feed the rhetorical circle jerk.

Though he may be a troll, I'll disagree with you in this way- the more we get him to talk, the more ridiculous his stance looks, and that only helps the cause. Whatever he thinks or the ideas he supports loses instant credibility, so much so that I think even the leftist posters on here would rather him not agree with them or give props to their comments.

Also, I would hardly characerize defending biblical truth as a "rhetorical circle jerk".
Lefties are not necessarily also progressive theologians.
What I write is my reflections on what I was taught in Seminary. Every accredited UMC seminary save one teaches these ideas. We are encouraged to think for ourselves. There is a theological world beyond Dallas Theological seminary.
It's hard to believe for you to believe but orthodoxy is not the only way to think theologically nor is it the future.
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Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor

Don't put your dick in an *******.

Salvation is not therein. Only *****
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Waco1947
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GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor

Don't put your dick in an *******.

Salvation is not therein. Only *****
It's guys like you that today's Pharisees and meaner.
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Waco1947 said:

GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor

Don't put your dick in an *******.

Salvation is not therein. Only *****
It's guys like you that today's Pharisees and meaner.


No. It is guys like you that lead people off the path to salvation to an entirety in Hell.

You are wicked. You are evil. And you are the worst person I have ever come across.

Pure evil.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor

Don't put your dick in an *******.

Salvation is not therein. Only *****
It's guys like you that today's Pharisees and meaner.


No. It is guys like you that lead people off the path to salvation to an entirety in Hell.

You are wicked. You are evil. And you are the worst person I have ever come across.

Pure evil.
Nope. I lead them the love and grace of God. Always have, always will.
People have 0 interest in your sob god who throws stones and puts people in hell
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Prairie_Bear said:

Any chance this has anything to do with the declining amount of people who are attending church in this country? Less people attending = less money in the offering so instead of applying screws harder to those already there churches are looking for a new revenue stream?
Unfortunately, at least here in the Bible Belt, opening up your church as a welcoming, inclusive, and affirming place for LGBTQ individuals has never been a pathway for larger revenue streams. You are far more likely to rake in the cash if you take a strong stance against inclusion.
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ctxbear said:

Prairie_Bear said:

Any chance this has anything to do with the declining amount of people who are attending church in this country? Less people attending = less money in the offering so instead of applying screws harder to those already there churches are looking for a new revenue stream?
Unfortunately, at least here in the Bible Belt, opening up your church as a welcoming, inclusive, and affirming place for LGBTQ individuals has never been a pathway for larger revenue streams. You are far more likely to rake in the cash if you take a strong stance against inclusion.
Wilshire in Dallas lost members but gained more by being an affirming congregation.
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ctxbear said:

Prairie_Bear said:

Any chance this has anything to do with the declining amount of people who are attending church in this country? Less people attending = less money in the offering so instead of applying screws harder to those already there churches are looking for a new revenue stream?
Unfortunately, at least here in the Bible Belt, opening up your church as a welcoming, inclusive, and affirming place for LGBTQ individuals has never been a pathway for larger revenue streams. You are far more likely to rake in the cash if you take a strong stance against inclusion.
True, but the gospel is costly
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witchmo said:

Walk away guys. This cat is a major troll and should be avoided. 47'll just double down on the lack of common ground for discussion and feed the rhetorical circle jerk.


Agreed. He's a false teacher and a fool.
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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

Code Breaking
It's okay to be gay, but they just can't act on it.

CODE: A committed loving same-sex relationship is sinful behavior.I


Non-Code: A ssholes are exits not entrances.

"Jesus was not brought down by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion, which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the mind of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform. Beware those who cannot tell God's will from their own. Temple police are always a bad sign. When chaplains start wearing guns and hanging out at the sheriff's office, watch out. Someone is about to have no king but Caesar." Barbara Brown Taylor

Don't put your dick in an *******.

Salvation is not therein. Only *****
It's guys like you that today's Pharisees and meaner.


No. It is guys like you that lead people off the path to salvation to an entirety in Hell.

You are wicked. You are evil. And you are the worst person I have ever come across.

Pure evil.
Nope. I lead them the love and grace of God. Always have, always will.
People have 0 interest in your sob god who throws stones and puts people in hell


You do not know God, but one day you will see Him,... and it will be a very horrible experience for you.
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applemacg4 said:

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I've never heard a Christian believe this? If the worst scum on earth wanted to attend church and hear the pastor then I don't know any pastor who would turn them away. Now if they were there w/ an agenda to disrupt the service then of course they should be escorted out.

I hate to break it to you, but I'd be willing to bet there isn't a church in this world with over 50 people in it whose congregation is 100% believers. I don't know what church you go to, but I'd recommend finding another one if your pastor doesn't want to speak to non believers during their service. Not all sermons are catered to non believers of course but I don't know any pastor who would say please leave so I can only talk to the 'Christians'.

That's because you don't know the history of your own faith.

"The Bible records (Acts 19) that the Apostle Paul while visiting some people who were described as "disciples", established they had received the baptism of John for the repentance of sins but had not yet heard of or received the Holy Spirit. Further, from the second century it appears that baptisms were held only at certain times of year, indicating that periods of instruction were the rule rather than the exception. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes: "As the acceptance of Christianity involved belief in a body of doctrine and the observance of the Divine law ("teach, make disciples, scholars of them"; "teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you", Matthew 28:20 [see Great Commission]), it is clear that some sort of preliminary instruction must have been given to the converts." See also Council of Jerusalem. Justin Martyr, in his First Apology, cites instruction as occurring prior to baptism: As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we praying and fasting with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.

The "persuasion" would be carried out by the preaching of an evangelist; but since belief must precede baptism, the person concerned should be prepared spiritually to receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit through baptism. That person would receive the sign of the Cross and possibly aspersion with holy water from a minister, indicating their entry to the state of catechumen.
In the early church, catechumens were instructed (catechized) in the basic elements of the faith such as the Apostles' Creed, Lord's Prayer, and sacraments in preparation for baptism.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechesis#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGreen19961415-11][11][/url]

Catechumens were limited as to their attendance in formal services. As unbaptized, they could not actively take part in any service, for that was reserved for those baptized. One practice permitted them to remain in the first part of the mass, but even in the earliest centuries dismissed them before the Eucharist. Others had them entering through a side door, or observing from the side, from a gallery, or near the font; while it was not unknown to bar them from all services until baptized."

If the choice comes to agreeing with the practice of Christians who met and knew Jesus, and those that met and knew those who knew Him or some skinny jeans wearing guy 2000 years later who lisps and talks with his hands for 20 minutes following a 40 minute Brittany Spears concert, I'll take the former...thanks.
Why choose the mythology of primitive people, who told and embellished stories to advance their theology, over the reality of our existence?
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cinque said:

ctxbear said:

Prairie_Bear said:

Any chance this has anything to do with the declining amount of people who are attending church in this country? Less people attending = less money in the offering so instead of applying screws harder to those already there churches are looking for a new revenue stream?
Unfortunately, at least here in the Bible Belt, opening up your church as a welcoming, inclusive, and affirming place for LGBTQ individuals has never been a pathway for larger revenue streams. You are far more likely to rake in the cash if you take a strong stance against inclusion.
Wilshire in Dallas lost members but gained more by being an affirming congregation.
This is a fair point. I had heard about Wilshire gaining members in the long run. I do think, though, that that is an anomaly based on the fact that Dallas is a metropolitan area that likely has a large population of people (both LGBTQ and straight) looking for a church with a gospel far more scandalous and beautiful than the fake one being preached at places like FBC Dallas.

Most places, though, it is far more profitable to amp up the volume on "insider and outsider" type language than to have open arms for all.
 
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