I have been reading here long enough that I am pretty sure that GoldMind is doing contrarian shtick, on most threads where he posts.
2nd Waco church splits from Texas Baptist group over LGBTQ acceptance
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It's always great to be a Methodist.
The current student doesn't want to be a Baptist.
The current student doesn't want to be a Baptist.
Bigger eye roll.GoldMind said:ScottS said:GoldMind said:ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Eyeroll.
The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.
God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.
The Bible says a lot of things.
So u don't like the bible
Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?
No way this line of reasoning is an actual take. I don't believe you actually hold that Christ's message was acceptance of sin. This is an obvious troll job.GoldMind said:ScottS said:GoldMind said:ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Eyeroll.
The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.
God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.
The Bible says a lot of things.
So u don't like the bible
Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?
That verse gets used when a church splits. Same as your reply.GolemIII said:quash said:Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.GolemIII said:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
No. Just the churches who explicitly condone explicitly delineated moral sin, as per the Bible. You know...that book you don't believe in.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
When Jesus talked about "throwing stones" they were literally about to kill that woman.Meladee said:The sins I recall him calling out the most was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. In fact, his only harsh language and actions were towards religious leaders.YoakDaddy said:GoldMind said:ScottS said:GoldMind said:ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Eyeroll.
The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.
God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.
The Bible says a lot of things.
So u don't like the bible
Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?
Yes, but Christ also called out sin.
But go ahead load up on your stones and keep at it... Jesus was probably joking when he said... he who is without sin cast the first stone... right?
When somebody tells someone a certain activity is sin and that they will be judged BY GOD, IN THE NEXT LIFE, if they don't repent, is that going to literally kill someone to hear that? No.
Stop comparing a verbal warning with execution.
Leviticus 17 18 19 and 20. Oh we are to love one another as Christ loves us. I would never be cruel to anyone regardless of their beliefs but these verses have always help me. Sin is sin. It's not rated.
I wonder which denomination is the correct oneFlorda_mike said:quash said:Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.GolemIII said:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Do tell?
Please explain your statement?
It's up towards the top there. Can't miss it.Buddha Bear said:I wonder which denomination is the correct oneFlorda_mike said:quash said:Used to distinguish 1200 American Christian denominations from one another.GolemIII said:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Do tell?
Please explain your statement?
Well as ya'll well know, God won't be dividing us up by church affiliation.
Lotta churches disagree.Wichitabear said:
Well as ya'll well know, God won't be dividing us up by church affiliation.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Yep Church of Christ is one of them. They are going to be surprised. Lololo
The heading line is misleading. The university wants to allow LGBTQ leadership positions and to marry. Many southern baptist churches accept gay members, they just don't allow them to be leaders.
My questions is why do people on either side of this debate get upset?
My questions is why do people on either side of this debate get upset?
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Wichitabear said:
Yep Church of Christ is one of them. They are going to be surprised. Lololo
That's the exact joke I was thinking of.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Waco1947
Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Do you think the real Christians at 2nd will think twice about sharing Heaven with LGBTQ Christians?Osodecentx said:
2nd Waco church splits from Texas Baptist group over LGBTQ acceptance
University Baptist Church has formally withdrawn from the Baptist General Convention of Texas after the Waco church's leadership voted to allow same-sex marriage.
While the withdrawal was voluntary, the last Waco church to leave the convention was expelled after it changed its policies to formally welcome LGBTQ members. University Baptist's vote was twofold. Leaders took one vote to allow its pastors to decide individually whether they would perform the marriages and a second vote to open the church building to same-sex ceremonies. The church announced its decision May 21 on its blog.
"Though it is not our polity at UBC to take congregational votes, In January we said that it was our aim to come to our best collective theological conclusions on these decisions, and so it is important to share that our votes were consistent with both congregational and pastoral feedback," the announcement states. "We know that for some this announcement comes with great joy and we sit with and among you today."
Church leaders deliberated for four months before putting the issue to a vote, said Rebekah Kimminau, who attends University Baptist with her fiancee, Anna McFarland.
"They wanted every member of the congregation to feel heard, so it didn't feel that sudden," Kimminau said. "January was when the process started, and they announced their decision in May, so it never felt rushed or like everything was happening at once."
She said staff communicated with LGBTQ members ahead of time, and while University Baptist Church is home to fair number of LGBTQ worshipers, the majority of people in support of the decision are straight allies.
"As far as keeping us in the loop, they did an amazing job making sure we felt safe and informed, trying to make sure if there was going to be an uncomfortable decision, we knew about it beforehand," Kimminau said.
University Baptist, the second Waco church to split from the Baptist General Convention of Texas over the issue of same-sex marriage, was affiliated with the convention since 1995. Longtime congregant and former community pastor Craig Nash said while he supported the decision, it was destined to be a difficult one.
"It's a big decision churches have to make," Nash said. "In our setting, there's going to be pain and grief one way or another."
The Baptist General Convention of Texas received and accepted a letter of voluntary withdrawal from University Baptist late last month, convention spokesman Joshua Minatrea said.
About 70 churches in Waco are affiliated with the convention, giving them access to scholarships for members, as well as other resources.
"Affiliation offers congregations the opportunity to participate in cooperative missions in Texas and beyond, as well as access to a host of church administration and ministry resources," Minatrea said. "Members of affiliated congregations have the opportunity to receive financial assistance to attend a variety of ministry-related academic programs endorsed by the convention."
For a congregation with close and enduring ties to Baylor University students, the decision to become unaffiliated is no small one. About 200 congregation members attend Baylor, and church leadership estimates more than 20 receive scholarships through the convention as undergraduates or as students at Baylor's George W. Truett Theological Seminary. Minatrea said students who join an affiliated church can retain their scholarships, but those who do not will lose them.
Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman said it is "anticipated that full-time faculty members at Truett Seminary will worship at a BGCT-affiliated church," though there is no written requirement that they do.
When the convention cut ties with Lake Shore Baptist Church in Waco and two other churches in 2016, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship of Texas created a temporary fund to fill in the gaps and cover students who lost convention scholarship money.
"They'd entered school, thought they'd had all their bases covered, and then lost that," said Rick McClatchy, field coordinator for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. "I don't know if we can continue to do that in the future."
There is no opposition to extending the program in theory, but members would have to agree to set aside more money, McClatchy said.
"We were doing it for students caught in the bind, not a permanent program," he said. "We'll have to sort of look at that as we get more students in this situation. If churches want to work together to try to fund it, that will be the key thing."
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How could these 'humans' come up with 200-300+ prophecies about Jesus that he fulfilled or came true. What are the odds?Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
How about the book of Revelation?
This post could go on and on and on w/ evidence but don't have the time, just do some research but I think you already know the answer.
I can't believe you posted how would God know what would happen in the future? Wow
I knew your knowledge and understanding of the Bible was pretty horrible, but seriously. How is it that you are this ignorant? Have you ever heard of Abraham and Lot? Sodom and Gomorrah? Any of that ring a bell?Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
The estimated dates for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah vary. Ussher estimates that the destruction occurred in the year of 1897 B.C. [1]. Thomas Robinson suggests a date of 1896 B.C.[2] and Merrill Unger gives a date of 2065 B.C. [3]. W. F. Albright states that the dates of pottery in the location where Sodom is believed to have exited ranges from 2300 to 1900 B.C.[4] The latest estimate for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is about 2070 B.C.[5]
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If they want to show up on Sundays and hear the sermon - absolutely yes.
You're wrong, and this sort of thinking is why the SBC and evangelicalism in general are shallow, not to mention ranging dumpster fires.
Repeat after me: Sunday worship services are a time for BELIEVERS to gather together to worship God, fellowship, and partake of communion.
Did you know that historically, the first century church dismissed even catachumens (people who had expressed an interest in Christianity and were being instructed in the faith) from services before partaking of the Lord's supper?
The concept of "seeker sensitive services" was unheard of. Why? Because the worship of God is not to be altered to cater to the unbeliever.
There is a time and a place for the great commission.
Sunday morning isn't it.
So? You have dates. Is that point of th Sodom story or is it God's grace in spite of sin and Lot's and Lot's wife unyielding to sin and injustice.BearN said:I knew your knowledge and understanding of the Bible was pretty horrible, but seriously. How is it that you are this ignorant? Have you ever heard of Abraham and Lot? Sodom and Gomorrah? Any of that ring a bell?Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Sure But point me to the verse that says "Homosexuality is wrong." I can point to attempted rape and the attempted sexual abuse by Lot
The estimated dates for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah vary. Ussher estimates that the destruction occurred in the year of 1897 B.C. [1]. Thomas Robinson suggests a date of 1896 B.C.[2] and Merrill Unger gives a date of 2065 B.C. [3]. W. F. Albright states that the dates of pottery in the location where Sodom is believed to have exited ranges from 2300 to 1900 B.C.[4] The latest estimate for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is about 2070 B.C.[5]
Waco1947
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How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality?
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
- Ecclesiastes 1:9
Not an answerapplemacg4 said:Quote:
How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality?
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
- Ecclesiastes 1:9
Waco1947
It's not an either/or proposition. Those that obeyed received grace. Those that did not repent of sodomy were destroyed. Had God found 10 righteous men, he would have spared the unrepentant Sodomites from immediate death and judgement. They still would have to face judgement for their sins when they eventually died.Waco1947 said:So? You have dates. Is that point of th Sodom story or is it God's grace in spite of sin and Lot's and Lot's wife unyielding to sin and injustice.BearN said:I knew your knowledge and understanding of the Bible was pretty horrible, but seriously. How is it that you are this ignorant? Have you ever heard of Abraham and Lot? Sodom and Gomorrah? Any of that ring a bell?Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Sure But point me to the verse that says "Homosexuality is wrong." I can point to attempted rape and the attempted sexual abuse by Lot
The estimated dates for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah vary. Ussher estimates that the destruction occurred in the year of 1897 B.C. [1]. Thomas Robinson suggests a date of 1896 B.C.[2] and Merrill Unger gives a date of 2065 B.C. [3]. W. F. Albright states that the dates of pottery in the location where Sodom is believed to have exited ranges from 2300 to 1900 B.C.[4] The latest estimate for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is about 2070 B.C.[5]
Once again. You are confused about someone receiving a reprieve for a death sentence in this life also meaning they escape eternal judgement in the next life without repentance and faith in Christ..
GoldMind said:ScottS said:GoldMind said:ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
Where is your love and acceptance for the lgbtq? Evidently In Jesus' works then did not matter because of the same Old Testament that said we can stone people(talk about isis behavior). Love the Bible and do what I can to feed the poor and help the downtrodden....and to love the lgbtq
Eyeroll.
The New Testament said to go and love one another as I have loved you, the word of Christ.
God also said not to wear cotton/poly blends or associate with women when they're on their periods.
The Bible says a lot of things.
So u don't like the bible
Do you not believe that Christ message was one of love and acceptance?
applemacg4 said:Quote:
How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality?
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
- Ecclesiastes 1:9
And yet no mention of germ theory, x-rays, other galaxies...
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
I've never heard a Christian believe this? If the worst scum on earth wanted to attend church and hear the pastor then I don't know any pastor who would turn them away. Now if they were there w/ an agenda to disrupt the service then of course they should be escorted out.applemacg4 said:Quote:
If they want to show up on Sundays and hear the sermon - absolutely yes.
You're wrong, and this sort of thinking is why the SBC and evangelicalism in general are shallow, not to mention ranging dumpster fires.
Repeat after me: Sunday worship services are a time for BELIEVERS to gather together to worship God, fellowship, and partake of communion.
Did you know that historically, the first century church dismissed even catachumens (people who had expressed an interest in Christianity and were being instructed in the faith) from services before partaking of the Lord's supper?
The concept of "seeker sensitive services" was unheard of. Why? Because the worship of God is not to be altered to cater to the unbeliever.
There is a time and a place for the great commission.
Sunday morning isn't it.
I hate to break it to you, but I'd be willing to bet there isn't a church in this world with over 50 people in it whose congregation is 100% believers. I don't know what church you go to, but I'd recommend finding another one if your pastor doesn't want to speak to non believers during their service. Not all sermons are catered to non believers of course but I don't know any pastor who would say please leave so I can only talk to the 'Christians'.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and we're talking about different things because you have me confused now.
Me too!
I don't know, nor care, where you attend but you'd be surprised how many of those belong to your church.applemacg4 said:So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?riflebear said:
Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
Aliceinbubbleland said:I don't know, nor care, where you attend but you'd be surprised how many of those belong to your church.applemacg4 said:So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?riflebear said:
Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
Yes, yes, we are all glad you found a church home.
GolemIII said:Aliceinbubbleland said:I don't know, nor care, where you attend but you'd be surprised how many of those belong to your church.applemacg4 said:So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?riflebear said:
Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
Yes, yes, we are all glad you found a church home.
Jinx? Is that you?Aliceinbubbleland said:I don't know, nor care, where you attend but you'd be surprised how many of those belong to your church.applemacg4 said:So churches should welcome Satanists, Nazis, and KKK members into their congregations?riflebear said:
Of course every church should welcome anyone into their congregation
Don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I believe the point is the early church (or, church undivided) would have properly understood the main point of Sunday observances to be Holy Communion rather than evangelism, per se.riflebear said:I've never heard a Christian believe this? If the worst scum on earth wanted to attend church and hear the pastor then I don't know any pastor who would turn them away. Now if they were there w/ an agenda to disrupt the service then of course they should be escorted out.applemacg4 said:Quote:
If they want to show up on Sundays and hear the sermon - absolutely yes.
You're wrong, and this sort of thinking is why the SBC and evangelicalism in general are shallow, not to mention ranging dumpster fires.
Repeat after me: Sunday worship services are a time for BELIEVERS to gather together to worship God, fellowship, and partake of communion.
Did you know that historically, the first century church dismissed even catachumens (people who had expressed an interest in Christianity and were being instructed in the faith) from services before partaking of the Lord's supper?
The concept of "seeker sensitive services" was unheard of. Why? Because the worship of God is not to be altered to cater to the unbeliever.
There is a time and a place for the great commission.
Sunday morning isn't it.
I hate to break it to you, but I'd be willing to bet there isn't a church in this world with over 50 people in it whose congregation is 100% believers. I don't know what church you go to, but I'd recommend finding another one if your pastor doesn't want to speak to non believers during their service. Not all sermons are catered to non believers of course but I don't know any pastor who would say please leave so I can only talk to the 'Christians'.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and we're talking about different things because you have me confused now.
Disclosure: Born and raised Southern Baptist and remained so for 40+ years but tired of the "worship wars" and basically have little interest in most of what passes for Contemporary Christianity. Was subsequently confirmed in the Episcopal Church (go ahead, it's ok to laugh) 20+ years ago. Ironically, mostly so I could do the type of music that I was able to do at Baylor during my years there in the A Capella Choir. Fell in love with Rite I Book of Common Prayer liturgical worship and Classic Anglicanism - which abides still. The focus of worship rightly points towards Communion and all that it captures, represents, foreshadows, etc. Just my humble opinion.
curtpenn said:
Don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I believe the point is the early church (or, church undivided) would have properly understood the main point of Sunday observances to be Holy Communion rather than evangelism, per se.
This is correct. The early church, which was Catholic, asked those specific individuals to refrain from taking Communion, which is the actual and literal Body of Christ.
Having said that, in the Catholic Church today, we still do the same thing. When Catechumen are undergoing the process to become Catholic - RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults), they leave the Mass as we begin the Liturgy of the Eucharist (the second half of Mass) to receive instruction. This is done usually during Lent as they draw closer to the Easter Vigil when then get baptized and/or confirmed.
If they didn't know about homosexuality, why did they write about it then?Waco1947 said:The Bible is a human book, humans inspired by God and their faith in God. How can 4000 years ago know about homosexuality? If they did not write Steve and Adam but they also did not say a word televisions either or cars or atomic fusion or Mexican food.ScottS said:Did Jesus mention any of these? necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality?- No Jesus did not . That's not the issue here.-GoldMind said:
You do realize that Christ never denounced homosexuality?
Some of the apostles letters mentioned it, and some Old Testament verses cover it.
Now, question...is scripture divine? And, btw, Romans 1:26-28 is in the New Testament?-Rome? Had Paul traveled to Rome? How did Paul know about Rome? What did Paul know about that sexual behavior? Was is it a parties, pagan prostitutes in the pagan temples? Was it pederasty? All of it horrific. No wonder Paul called it out.-
If God thought homosexuality was ok, why did he allow those verses to be in the bible indicating it wasn't ok? Why did God allow Adam and Eve to be presented in the bible (and not Adam and Steve)? It all just feels like the serpent telling Eve its all ok. Now you have the devil telling churches its all ok.
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