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Out of my infinite respect for for the Liberaltarian Quash and his OP on this thread ........

ARE WE IN A RECESSION NOW, nearly 5 months from OP, or have we been in a recession in the interim?

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Hey Libtard crickets, are ya out there?

Let's hear about the recession???

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LP.org is based in deep-blue Virginia.

Swing and a miss.

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Run away.

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Yes, you do that a lot.

If you had a family crest, that may well be the slogan beneath it.

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It is beyond ridiculous to assert that a location near D.C. has any effect at all on the policies. To do so is to run away from the substance.

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On the contrary, the choice of a headquarters location is usually quite revealing about a group's values and focus.

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A national political party located near the nation's capital. Reveals to me a national focus.

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Or access to easy slush money.

Real Libertarians used to be interested in decentralized power, not playing along with big donors.

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I think you are making a bad argument here. A national political party that wants to influence politics in DC has to be located near DC. The LP already has trouble being taken seriously by most people. This would only be worse if their national HQ was in Nashville, TN (just making up a potential "non-DC" location).

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My point is that we have no evidence this website really speaks for the Libertarian Party.

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So you are confused as to whether the official libertarian party website speaks for the libertarian party? How can we resolve this issue for you?

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Go look up 'libertarian' then compare it to the statement on that site.

That's where I'd suggest you begin.

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Earlier you said you weren't sure If the Libertarian Party official website spoke for the Libertarian Party. Your words, not mine. The official libertarian party website absolutely speaks for the libertarian party. The party may have strayed from what "libertarianism" is, much like the republican and democratic parties have strayed from their founding principles, but that's not what you said. Is that what you meant to say?

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I think you are looking to score points in an argument, not discuss the topic.

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LP.org is based in deep-blue Virginia.

Swing and a miss.

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Run away.

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Yes, you do that a lot.

If you had a family crest, that may well be the slogan beneath it.

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It is beyond ridiculous to assert that a location near D.C. has any effect at all on the policies. To do so is to run away from the substance.

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On the contrary, the choice of a headquarters location is usually quite revealing about a group's values and focus.

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A national political party located near the nation's capital. Reveals to me a national focus.

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Or access to easy slush money.

Real Libertarians used to be interested in decentralized power, not playing along with big donors.

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I think you are making a bad argument here. A national political party that wants to influence politics in DC has to be located near DC. The LP already has trouble being taken seriously by most people. This would only be worse if their national HQ was in Nashville, TN (just making up a potential "non-DC" location).

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My point is that we have no evidence this website really speaks for the Libertarian Party.

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So you are confused as to whether the official libertarian party website speaks for the libertarian party? How can we resolve this issue for you?

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Go look up 'libertarian' then compare it to the statement on that site.

That's where I'd suggest you begin.

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Earlier you said you weren't sure If the Libertarian Party official website spoke for the Libertarian Party. Your words, not mine. The official libertarian party website absolutely speaks for the libertarian party. The party may have strayed from what "libertarianism" is, much like the republican and democratic parties have strayed from their founding principles, but that's not what you said. Is that what you meant to say?

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I think you are looking to score points in an argument, not discuss the topic.

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^^^ I'm trying to tell ya this

https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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This was never about the short term, even the article admits they can't predict the long term effects based on the data they looked at.

The longer-term effects of the tariffs will be increased manufacturing.
We still have a China trade deal on the table and the USMCA passing. Interest rates need to be lowered.

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https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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The longer-term effects of the tariffs will be increased manufacturing.

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Maybe. The problem is with lost markets. Once Chinese buyers use manufacturers from somewhere else then you have to recover that market share with better prices, quality, delivery speed,whatever. Ending this trade war doesn't put everything back to where it was.

You're the jakeleg that started this thread hoping for a recession

Again, where's your recession?

No longer in an inverted yield curve, but: https://www.trefis.com/stock/c/articles/476421/the-yield-curve-is-no-longer-inverted-has-the-u-s-economy-dodged-the-recession-bullet/2019-12-26

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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LP.org is based in deep-blue Virginia.

Swing and a miss.

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Run away.

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Yes, you do that a lot.

If you had a family crest, that may well be the slogan beneath it.

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It is beyond ridiculous to assert that a location near D.C. has any effect at all on the policies. To do so is to run away from the substance.

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On the contrary, the choice of a headquarters location is usually quite revealing about a group's values and focus.

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A national political party located near the nation's capital. Reveals to me a national focus.

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Or access to easy slush money.

Real Libertarians used to be interested in decentralized power, not playing along with big donors.

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I think you are making a bad argument here. A national political party that wants to influence politics in DC has to be located near DC. The LP already has trouble being taken seriously by most people. This would only be worse if their national HQ was in Nashville, TN (just making up a potential "non-DC" location).

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My point is that we have no evidence this website really speaks for the Libertarian Party.

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So you are confused as to whether the official libertarian party website speaks for the libertarian party? How can we resolve this issue for you?

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Go look up 'libertarian' then compare it to the statement on that site.

That's where I'd suggest you begin.

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Earlier you said you weren't sure If the Libertarian Party official website spoke for the Libertarian Party. Your words, not mine. The official libertarian party website absolutely speaks for the libertarian party. The party may have strayed from what "libertarianism" is, much like the republican and democratic parties have strayed from their founding principles, but that's not what you said. Is that what you meant to say?

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I think you are looking to score points in an argument, not discuss the topic.

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1) I'm just trying to figure out what you meant. Can you clarify? You said the official libertarian party website didn't speak for the libertarian party. You can certainly understand my confusion, no?

2) What points? Is there a score board somewhere I'm missing?

3) We can discuss the topic all you want. I can give you my point of view. Quash can give his point of view. You can give your point of view. One thing that has never been said in the entire history of the internet is "some random person on a message board convinced me I was wrong and I've changed my opinion." So these fictional points you are talking about, is all we got. This is just entertainment for me, and I assumed it was for you as well. You don't really think you can change someone's mind on here do you?

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No longer in an inverted yield curve, but: https://www.trefis.com/stock/c/articles/476421/the-yield-curve-is-no-longer-inverted-has-the-u-s-economy-dodged-the-recession-bullet/2019-12-26

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^^^ Blah blah blah

If you're a paid troll(I'd guess > 50% chance) you made some decent money w this FAKE NEWS OP

Sickening what you and Cinque do around here

Now you're just channeling Pelosi, contrario.

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https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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There are several indications that we are on the verge of a recession. We've had stimulus of the farmers ($12B in 2018 and $14.5B in 2019) and cash infusion/ tax cut that corporations have used to drive up there stock prices.

Normally, those kinds of things are done to lesson the impact of a recession. In 2020, we'll use a tweet.

tommie: 'There are several indications that we are on the verge of a recession."

OK, tommie. Good luck with that.

?itok=d50SrZ8c

So you plan to vote for Obama next year?

OK.

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https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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There are several indications that we are on the verge of a recession. We've had stimulus of the farmers ($12B in 2018 and $14.5B in 2019) and cash infusion/ tax cut that corporations have used to drive up there stock prices.

Normally, those kinds of things are done to lesson the impact of a recession. In 2020, we'll use a tweet.

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Libs want a recession in the worst way. They know they can't win without one.

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So you plan to vote for Obama next year?

OK.

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With this group of candidates? I might.

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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https://reason.com/2019/12/27/trumps-trade-war-has-hurt-american-manufacturers-more-than-it-helped-them/

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There are several indications that we are on the verge of a recession. We've had stimulus of the farmers ($12B in 2018 and $14.5B in 2019) and cash infusion/ tax cut that corporations have used to drive up there stock prices.

Normally, those kinds of things are done to lesson the impact of a recession. In 2020, we'll use a tweet.

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Libs want a recession in the worst way. They know they can't win without one.

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No one wants a recession. At my age, I can't recover from a deep market downturn so, I find it prudent to understand the economics and how it will effect my family.

Manufacturing contraction and the inversion curve are signs of a recession. They could be wrong. It could very well be tweeting without an economic strategy is enough to drive the market.

I don't buy it.

You are free to believe 2020 will look like 2019 and 2018.

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tommie said:

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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Which is not true? The deficit is growing or the job numbers?

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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Which is not true? The deficit is growing or the job numbers?

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Job numbers are a fallacy as obama created tax sapping G jobs and Trump Economy creates taxpaying private jobs!

Plus numbers are fake as you know dip

Deficit is insignificant w a good debt knowledgeable businessman as president! China owns a small % of that debt and that's easily negotiatable with Trump's future tariff negotiations. Govt(Fed) debt is significant and can be repaid w QE 10.0(IE money printing) causing inflation which DC and Wall St lust over. That huge % of debt then is cut in half as it's repaid 50 on $1.00 so to speak. ANY DEBT under a Trump has no legs! Now if dumb**** obama or a Socialist that knows none of this, like yourself as you know, was President then yeah we'd have debt issues. By January '25 when Trump finishes debt will be severely curtailed UNLESS he's handing baton to another business genius and country can continue using the great debt leverage!

You and your clueless fellow Libtard cohorts here don't get much any of that so please don't preach your Idiocracy concerning it

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Florda_mike said:

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tommie said:

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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Which is not true? The deficit is growing or the job numbers?

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Job numbers are a fallacy as obama created tax sapping G jobs and Trump Economy creates taxpaying private jobs!

Plus numbers are fake as you know dip

Deficit is insignificant w a good debt knowledgeable businessman as president! China owns a small % of that debt and that's easily negotiatable with Trump's future tariff negotiations. Govt(Fed) debt is significant and can be repaid w QE 10.0(IE money printing) causing inflation which DC and Wall St lust over. That huge % of debt then is cut in half as it's repaid 50 on $1.00 so to speak. ANY DEBT under a Trump has no legs! Now if dumb**** obama or a Socialist that knows none of this, like yourself as you know, was President then yeah we'd have debt issues. By January '25 when Trump finishes debt will be severely curtailed UNLESS he's handing baton to another business genius and country can continue using the great debt leverage!

You and your clueless fellow Libtard cohorts here don't get much any of that so please don't preach your Idiocracy concerning it

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You should squawk after ever post. You don't care about the issue or the facts.

Liberals



Helicopter crashed in Hawaii.

Liberals



This week we celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Liberals



Never trust a big butt and a smile.

Liberal butts

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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Which is not true? The deficit is growing or the job numbers?

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Job numbers are a fallacy as obama created tax sapping G jobs and Trump Economy creates taxpaying private jobs!

Plus numbers are fake as you know dip

Deficit is insignificant w a good debt knowledgeable businessman as president! China owns a small % of that debt and that's easily negotiatable with Trump's future tariff negotiations. Govt(Fed) debt is significant and can be repaid w QE 10.0(IE money printing) causing inflation which DC and Wall St lust over. That huge % of debt then is cut in half as it's repaid 50 on $1.00 so to speak. ANY DEBT under a Trump has no legs! Now if dumb**** obama or a Socialist that knows none of this, like yourself as you know, was President then yeah we'd have debt issues. By January '25 when Trump finishes debt will be severely curtailed UNLESS he's handing baton to another business genius and country can continue using the great debt leverage!

You and your clueless fellow Libtard cohorts here don't get much any of that so please don't preach your Idiocracy concerning it

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You should squawk after ever post. You don't care about the issue or the facts.

Liberals



Helicopter crashed in Hawaii.

Liberals



This week we celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Liberals



Never trust a big butt and a smile.

Liberal butts

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Thanks for responding as I asked in the last paragraph of my post!

I knew you knew little of the rest of it

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Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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tommie said:

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^^^ Direct from daily blog for Rachel Maddow Show and even the producer of the Rachel Maddow Show, Steve Benen

Maddow just said she can't be held accountable for telling lies on her show and Tommie uses her show as a source still

Pitiful post

Tommie is bad as Quash and Cinque just hides it better

No integrity though just like all democrats

They're all non-people to me

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Which is not true? The deficit is growing or the job numbers?

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Job numbers are a fallacy as obama created tax sapping G jobs and Trump Economy creates taxpaying private jobs!

Plus numbers are fake as you know dip

Deficit is insignificant w a good debt knowledgeable businessman as president! China owns a small % of that debt and that's easily negotiatable with Trump's future tariff negotiations. Govt(Fed) debt is significant and can be repaid w QE 10.0(IE money printing) causing inflation which DC and Wall St lust over. That huge % of debt then is cut in half as it's repaid 50 on $1.00 so to speak. ANY DEBT under a Trump has no legs! Now if dumb**** obama or a Socialist that knows none of this, like yourself as you know, was President then yeah we'd have debt issues. By January '25 when Trump finishes debt will be severely curtailed UNLESS he's handing baton to another business genius and country can continue using the great debt leverage!

You and your clueless fellow Libtard cohorts here don't get much any of that so please don't preach your Idiocracy concerning it

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You should squawk after ever post. You don't care about the issue or the facts.

Liberals



Helicopter crashed in Hawaii.

Liberals



This week we celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Liberals



Never trust a big butt and a smile.

Liberal butts

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Thanks for responding as I asked in the last paragraph of my post!

I knew you knew little of the rest of it

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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Quash is so desperate to avoid a good economy in the election year.

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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Quash uses a key word for mellinials .... "unsustainable"

He's is indeed desperate

LMAO

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 trillion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 billion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Keynes was wrong.

So are you.

I'm telling you the debt is good debt

It'll cost inflation to repay

Just get in investments that hedge the forthcoming inflation

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 billion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Keynes was wrong.

So are you.

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Of course Keynes is wrong, yet you defend this fiscal course (which is Keynesian)

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 billion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Keynes was wrong.

So are you.

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Of course Keynes is wrong, yet you defend this fiscal course (which is Keynesian)

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Where did Trump describe this action as Keynesian? Just because you put that label on it does not mean that is what happened.

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 billion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Keynes was wrong.

So are you.

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Of course Keynes is wrong, yet you defend this fiscal course (which is Keynesian)

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Where did Trump describe this action as Keynesian? Just because you put that label on it does not mean that is what happened.

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That's exactly what this is. Government spending and lower taxes to stimulate the economy.

Where it is different is Keynes advocated this course during an economic downturn.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Debt without growth is unsustainable.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/468418-so-much-for-the-trump-economic-miracle

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I can find nobody credible saying our fiscal course is sustainable. Why is our national debt growing a $1 billion a year if the economy is so good?

This is the best economy in years and that is a confirmation of Keynesian economic theory.

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Keynes was wrong.

So are you.

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Of course Keynes is wrong, yet you defend this fiscal course (which is Keynesian)

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Where did Trump describe this action as Keynesian? Just because you put that label on it does not mean that is what happened.

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That's exactly what this is. Government spending and lower taxes to stimulate the economy.

Where it is different is Keynes advocated this course during an economic downturn.

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Tommie
I know we're wasting our time, but for the edification of those with some sense, I post the following:

What Is Keynesian Economics?
Keynesian economics is an economic theory of total spending in the economy and its effects on output and inflation. Keynesian economics was developed by the British economist John Maynard Keynes during the 1930s in an attempt to understand the Great Depression. Keynes advocated for increased government expenditures and lower taxes to stimulate demand and pull the global economy out of the depression.

Subsequently, Keynesian economics was used to refer to the concept that optimal economic performance could be achievedand economic slumpspreventedby influencing aggregate demand through activist stabilization and economic intervention policies by the government. Keynesian economics is considered a "demand-side" theory that focuses on changes in the economy over the short run.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Keynesian Economics focuses on using active government policy to manage aggregate demand in order to address or prevent economic recessions.
• Keynes developed his theories in response to the Great Depression, and was highly critical of classical economic arguments that natural economic forces and incentives would be sufficient to help the economy recover.
• Activist fiscal and monetary policy are the primary tools recommended by Keynesian economists to manage the economy and fight unemployment.

Unbelievable how anyone can come on here complaining about this Trump economy

Get out and go make some easy money then come back and complain

Geez, get a dam life Libs!