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40 million Americans are regular users if porn. 200,000 are addicts. One half of one percent. Not a public health issue for the state.

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What is your evidence to support this claim? I see a pattern of the pro-pornography people here making claims but not providing information to back them up. Notice that you are also saying that 40 million Americans have been corrupted by porn on a regular basis.

Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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"Eighty-eight percent of pornography shows violence towards women"

What the F?????

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I can't take this movement seriously until someone can explain this stat.

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This is where the number comes from.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201606/how-much-porn-depicts-violence-against-women

I don't know about the 88 percent figure per se but a substantial percentage of porn does depict violence against women.

http://www.bu.edu/sph/2015/10/20/viewpoint-domestic-violence-whats-porn-got-to-do-with-it/

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BaylorFTW said:

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There's a ton of research on porn and it doesn't show a public health hazard.

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I would like you to support this claim with evidence. I just did a simple internet search on Amazon and found the following:
https://www.amazon.com/Your-Brain-Porn-Pornography-Addiction/dp/B078SH63V2/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pornography&qid=1570395113&s=books&sr=1-2
https://www.amazon.com/Porn-Myth-Exposing-Reality-Pornography/dp/162164006X/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=pornography&qid=1570395158&s=books&sr=1-3
https://www.amazon.com/Wired-Intimacy-Pornography-Hijacks-Brain/dp/0830837000/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=pornography&qid=1570395158&s=books&sr=1-7

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Also, keep your govt out of the market. If free porn is working profitably the state has no business demanding an entry fee.

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What market? It is the Wild West with almost no regulation.
Again, we regulate alcohol, drugs, tobacco, prostitution, etc You still need to prove that pornography isn't harmful for this argument to make sense. If it is unclear by the evidence, research should be done to find out.

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If you think too many people are watching porn then persuade them to stop. Don't use govt force to make your point, use a better argument.

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Trying to get addicts to stop an addiction is an uphill battle. Their mind is corrupted by the drug and they become slaves to their desires. In other words, they aren't thinking straight. This is the very reason you do regulate these things because people are hindered from using logic and reason. Instead, of looking at the issue objectively, they try to rationalize the addiction. Just look at how people are responding in this thread who are pro pornography.

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40 million Americans are regular users if porn. 200,000 are addicts. One half of one percent. Not a public health issue for the state.

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40 million ( seems low ).....wonder how many users are under the age of 16 ?

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Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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"Eighty-eight percent of pornography shows violence towards women"

What the F?????

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I can't take this movement seriously until someone can explain this stat.

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This is where the number comes from.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201606/how-much-porn-depicts-violence-against-women

I don't know about the 88 percent figure per se but a substantial percentage of porn does depict violence against women.

http://www.bu.edu/sph/2015/10/20/viewpoint-domestic-violence-whats-porn-got-to-do-with-it/

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I just learned something. There's BDSM clubs?

I just remember that it seemed every housewife in the country could not stop reading the **** out of "50 Shades of Grey" so I'm not sure that these women can be considered "victims".

Jack Bauer said:

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I just remember that it seemed every housewife in the country could not stop reading the **** out of "50 Shades of Grey" so I'm not sure that these women can be considered "victims".

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Good example of where do you draw the line at what constitutes pornography and what is harmful to read or view. Our culture should probably be more concerned about the level of violence depicted in our movies, television shows and literature and its affects upon young people. The violence depicted in some porn likely stems from our culture's insatiable appetite for viewing violence. Ubiquitous depiction of violence is where we need to be concerned and where persuasion against it should be focused.

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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40 million Americans are regular users if porn. 200,000 are addicts. One half of one percent. Not a public health issue for the state.

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What is your evidence to support this claim? I see a pattern of the pro-pornography people here making claims but not providing information to back them up. Notice that you are also saying that 40 million Americans have been corrupted by porn on a regular basis.

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About 200,000 Americans are classified as "porn addicts." 40 million American people regularly visit porn sites. 35% of all internet downloads are related to pornography. webroot.com

And "regularly visit" is not "corrupted". You changed a fact to a value judgment.

Pornography is just one of many personal freedoms I am pro.

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I just remember that it seemed every housewife in the country could not stop reading the **** out of "50 Shades of Grey" so I'm not sure that these women can be considered "victims".

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If you become a slave to your desires, you are a victim. This is the sexual liberation trap. Many people think they are in control of their desires only to later realize they became slaves to them. The only real choice they are making in the long run is the choice to mess up their own lives.

TexasScientist said:

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Good example of where do you draw the line at what constitutes pornography and what is harmful to read or view. Our culture should probably be more concerned about the level of violence depicted in our movies, television shows and literature and its affects upon young people. The violence depicted in some porn likely stems from our culture's insatiable appetite for viewing violence. Ubiquitous depiction of violence is where we need to be concerned and where persuasion against it should be focused.

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The bigger issue is that a line is drawn as opposed to where to exactly draw the line. Something could be generally agreed upon if people set their minds to it. In the past, the line was drawn around nudity. The code breakers got around this by using artistic expression to show nudity in film. They actually used a film about the Holocaust to do this here in the US.

You have made some claims regarding violence but I think you would need to first prove it is a more serious issue than pornography.

BaylorFTW said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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I just remember that it seemed every housewife in the country could not stop reading the **** out of "50 Shades of Grey" so I'm not sure that these women can be considered "victims".

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If you become a slave to your desires, you are a victim. This is the sexual liberation trap. Many people think they are in control of their desires only to later realize they became slaves to them. The only real choice they are making in the long run is the choice to mess up their own lives.

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Slave to desire? Don't stop at porn. Consumerism messes up lives, too. The Buddha has some good teachings on that point.

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About 200,000 Americans are classified as "porn addicts." 40 million American people regularly visit porn sites. 35% of all internet downloads are related to pornography. webroot.com

And "regularly visit" is not "corrupted". You changed a fact to a value judgment.

Pornography is just one of many personal freedoms I am pro.

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I was glancing at a few other articles on this topic. The 40 million number seems a bit low. For example, there are around 151 million men.
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf
This will leave you with roughly 100 million men who are over 10 years old and under 55 years of age. Some of the numbers I have seen are that the rates seem to be anywhere from 70 to 90%. This would put numbers at the range of 63 million to 90 million. So taking into account various factors, I would imagine the numbers are closer to at least 50 million to 70 million. It should be worth pointing out that would be 1/3 to 1/2 of all men.

And here is a Huffington Post article that highlights some very disturbing numbers for religious men:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pornography-addiction-amo_b_5963460

• 50% of religious men and men and 20% of religious women stated that they were addicted to pornography
• 54% of men polled that they visited porn websites at least frequently

There was a survey done that had these results:

• Eight in ten(79%) men between the ages of 18 and 30 view pornography monthly
• Two-thirds (67%) of men between the ages of 31 and 49 view pornography monthly
• One-half (49%) of men between the ages of 50 and 68 view pornography monthly
• Christian men are watching pornography at work at the same rate as the national average
• One-third (33%) of men between the ages of 18 and 30 either think that they are addicted or are unsure if they are addicted to pornography
• Combined, 18% of all men either think that they are addicted or are unsure if they are addicted to pornography, which equates to 21 million men

So there seems to be a big disparity between the webroot results and this other information.

And another article with some sobering statistics:

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Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

The porn industry's annual revenue is more than the NFL, NBA, and MLB combined. It is also more than the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC.

47% of families in the United States reported that pornography is a problem in their home.

Pornography use increases the marital infidelity rate by more than 300%.

Eleven is the average age that a child is first exposed to porn, and 94% of children will see porn by the age of 14.

56% of American divorces involve one party having an "obsessive interest" in pornographic websites.

70% of Christian youth pastors report that they have had at least one teen come to them for help in dealing with pornography in the past 12 months.

68% of church-going men and over 50% of pastors view porn on a regular basis. Of young Christian adults 18-24 years old, 76% actively search for porn.

59% of pastors said that married men seek their help for porn use.

33% of women aged 25-and-under search for porn at least once per month.

Only 13% of self identified Christian women say they never watch porn 87% of Christian women have watched porn.

55% of married men and 25% of married women say they watch porn at least once a month.

57% of pastors say porn addiction is the most damaging issue in their congregation. And 69% say porn has adversely impacted the church.

Only 7% of pastors say their church has a program to help people struggling with pornography.

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https://conquerseries.com/15-mind-blowing-statistics-about-pornography-and-the-church/

After reading some of your polling data, it would be very interesting to see what the porn addiction numbers are with church going Christians vs. Atheists and other religions. I did not realize Christians were so freaky when it came to sex.

BaylorFTW said:

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[ol]

Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

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One porn website for every regular visitor. Where's mine?

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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After reading some of your polling data, it would be very interesting to see what the porn addiction numbers are with church going Christians vs. Atheists and other religions. I did not realize Christians were so freaky when it came to sex.

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It just highlights how corrupting the sexual liberation movement has been.

BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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After reading some of your polling data, it would be very interesting to see what the porn addiction numbers are with church going Christians vs. Atheists and other religions. I did not realize Christians were so freaky when it came to sex.

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It just highlights how corrupting the sexual liberation movement has been.

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Porn preceded that movement. Crappy 8mm porn, but still.

BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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After reading some of your polling data, it would be very interesting to see what the porn addiction numbers are with church going Christians vs. Atheists and other religions. I did not realize Christians were so freaky when it came to sex.

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It just highlights how corrupting the sexual liberation movement has been.

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If there are no boobies in Heaven, I am not real sure I wanna go!

quash said:

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Pornography is just one of many personal freedoms I am pro.

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Does porn objectify people? If so, is that a bad thing to use another for one's pleasure.

quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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[ol]

Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

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One porn website for every regular visitor. Where's mine?

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Don't ask tommie. I did. Apparently mine involves one-eyed conjoined midgets.

Jack Bauer said:

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I just remember that it seemed every housewife in the country could not stop reading the **** out of "50 Shades of Grey" so I'm not sure that these women can be considered "victims".

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Had I done that ***** I'd be in jail. (Unless I were rich).

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BaylorFTW said:

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[ol]

Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

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One porn website for every regular visitor. Where's mine?

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Don't ask tommie. I did. Apparently mine involves one-eyed conjoined midgets.

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I'm touching my nipples thinking about it.

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BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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After reading some of your polling data, it would be very interesting to see what the porn addiction numbers are with church going Christians vs. Atheists and other religions. I did not realize Christians were so freaky when it came to sex.

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It just highlights how corrupting the sexual liberation movement has been.

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If there are no boobies in Heaven, I am not real sure I wanna go!

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Become a Pastafarian, we have beer and strippers.

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quash said:

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Pornography is just one of many personal freedoms I am pro.

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Does porn objectify people? If so, is that a bad thing to use another for one's pleasure.

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Ask that differently: do some people objectify the people in porn? Some probably do. No reason to get the state involved over those who lust in their heart as President Carter said.

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Ask that differently: do some people objectify the people in porn? Some probably do. No reason to get the state involved over those who lust in their heart as President Carter said.

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What do you consider objectification? One definition is ...

the action of degrading someone to the status of a mere object.

Wouldn't you agree, that anyone looking at porn is treating that person as an object?

How does one look at porn without objectifying the person?

Coke Bear said:

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quash said:

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Ask that differently: do some people objectify the people in porn? Some probably do. No reason to get the state involved over those who lust in their heart as President Carter said.

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What do you consider objectification? One definition is ...

the action of degrading someone to the status of a mere object.

Wouldn't you agree, that anyone looking at porn is treating that person as an object?

How does one look at porn without objectifying the person?

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I would not agree. I totally appreciate their humanity, one reason I'm not into hentai.

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I would not agree. I totally appreciate their humanity, one reason I'm not into hentai.

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Are you stating that you look at porn to appreciate someone's humanity and feel no arousal?
Can you only do that thru looking at porn?
Do other ways exist to appreciate someone's humanity without looking at porn?

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Jack Bauer said:

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"Eighty-eight percent of pornography shows violence towards women"

What the F?????

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Same reaction to that claim here.

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It just means it shows any position that the woman isn't on top.

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I would not agree. I totally appreciate their humanity, one reason I'm not into hentai.

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Are you stating that you look at porn to appreciate someone's humanity and feel no arousal?
Can you only do that thru looking at porn?
Do other ways exist to appreciate someone's humanity without looking at porn?

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No the arousal is based on their humanity, thought I made that clear by distinguishing hentai.

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Good example of where do you draw the line at what constitutes pornography and what is harmful to read or view. Our culture should probably be more concerned about the level of violence depicted in our movies, television shows and literature and its affects upon young people. The violence depicted in some porn likely stems from our culture's insatiable appetite for viewing violence. Ubiquitous depiction of violence is where we need to be concerned and where persuasion against it should be focused.

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The bigger issue is that a line is drawn as opposed to where to exactly draw the line. Something could be generally agreed upon if people set their minds to it. In the past, the line was drawn around nudity. The code breakers got around this by using artistic expression to show nudity in film. They actually used a film about the Holocaust to do this here in the US.

You have made some claims regarding violence but I think you would need to first prove it is a more serious issue than pornography.

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Or that prove pornography is more a serious issue than violence. Our society is way more violent today and accepting of violence depicted on television and in theaters. I can't help but think that watching violence day in and day out, and even watching it glorified on the tv and screen is not a component in the mental process of those committing violence, including mass shooters.

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with hentai. I had to look it up and still don't understand your position.

Please help me understand how viewing porn is not objectification given the previously provided definition.

Is treating someone like an object good, bad, or morally neutral? Why?

Coke Bear said:

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Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with hentai. I had to look it up and still don't understand your position.

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Cartoon porn.

Coke Bear said:

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Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with hentai. I had to look it up and still don't understand your position.

Please help me understand how viewing porn is not objectification given the previously provided definition.

Is treating someone like an object good, bad, or morally neutral? Why?

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Ask someone who does it .

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fubar said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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[ol]

Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

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One porn website for every regular visitor. Where's mine?

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Don't ask tommie. I did. Apparently mine involves one-eyed conjoined midgets.

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I'm touching my nipples thinking about it.

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Found William's site!

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Ask someone who does it .

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Do I need to ask a rapist if it's morally OK to rape someone?

Simple questions that I'm asking you ...

Is objectification of a person a morally good, bad, or neutral? Why?

Coke Bear said:

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quash said:

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Ask someone who does it .

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Do I need to ask a rapist if it's morally OK to rape someone?

Simple questions that I'm asking you ...

Is objectification of a person a morally good, bad, or neutral? Why?

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You start from a position I disagree with, that porn is objectification.

Porn is nothing to play with. It is one of the enemies many weapons used today to introduce sexual immorality and a warped concept of intimacy into the minds of young people. Sex outside of God's design leads to chaos and destruction.