Tick Tock...

I'm still not expecting as much w/ the deep state's hands all over this but I'm sure there will be some low level criminal referrals. L. Graham did say the other night he believes it will be big and expose a lot of corruption from the Dems.

Somebody on this board boasted that the report would be here in October.

The bad actors will be put in timeout, laugh their asses off, and write books. This will be confirmation that the Swamp will always take care of their own. No matter which side of the political aisle.

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Somebody on this board boasted that the report would be here in October.

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It's been delayed over the last 8 months because they kept finding information. That's according to Horowitz/DOJ.

This report is what created a criminal probe/investigation. It's going to be damning.

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The bad actors will be put in timeout, laugh their asses off, and write books. This will be confirmation that the Swamp will always take care of their own. No matter which side of the political aisle.

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I think they got them this time.

Too many people have researched this. I mean millions. The DOJ would create civil unrest if they don't bring forth charges while laying out the crimes. Some conservative Bubba's would snap.

At least we know for a fact that this IG review created a confirmed criminal investigation which will be much worse than this report.

fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

Nothing to see here....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/horowitz-finds-evidence-fbi-employee-altered-russia-probe-document

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has found evidence that an FBI lawyer manipulated a key investigative document related to the FBI's secretive surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser -- enough to change the substantive meaning of the document, according to multiple reports.

The new evidence concerning the altered document, which was related to the FBI's FISA court warrant application to surveil Page, is expected to be outlined in Horowitz's upcoming report. CNN first reported the news, which was largely confirmed by The Washington Post.

The Post, after publishing its story, conspicuously removed the portion of its reporting that the FBI employee involved was underneath Peter Strzok, the FBI's since-fired head of counterintelligence. The Post did not offer an explanation for the change. Earlier this week, the DOJ highlighted a slew of anti-Trump text messages sent by Strzok when he was leading the probe into the Trump campaign.

Horowitz reportedly found that the FBI employee who modified the FISA document falsely stated that he had "documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis" for the FISA warrant application, the Post reported. Then, the FBI employee allegedly "altered an email" to substantiate his inaccurate version of events. The employee has since been forced out of the bureau.

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cinque said:

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Somebody on this board boasted that the report would be here in October.

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Someone on this board boasted we would have pee pee tapes by now...

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I do respect Dave's commitment to trolling.

Chuckle. I tried to tell you cons not to get out ahead of your skis on this report. FBI bias against Trump will not be a finding in this report:

The New York Times also reported that, overall, Horowitz criticized the FBI's handling of the application and renewals for Page, suggesting instances of sloppiness or negligence. But Horowitz is expected to debunk allegations of a broader conspiracy against President Donald Trump

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/22/20977630/inspector-general-report-carter-page-russia-investigation

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Chuckle. I tried to tell you cons not to get out ahead of your skis on this report. FBI bias against Trump will not be a finding in this report:

The New York Times also reported that, overall, Horowitz criticized the FBI's handling of the application and renewals for Page, suggesting instances of sloppiness or negligence. But Horowitz is expected to debunk allegations of a broader conspiracy against President Donald Trump

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/22/20977630/inspector-general-report-carter-page-russia-investigation

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Chuckle. "The New York Times reported."

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Somebody on this board boasted that the report would be here in October.

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I assume you were expecting it to be on-time and under-budget, too? HAHAHA.

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Chuckle. I tried to tell you cons not to get out ahead of your skis on this report. FBI bias against Trump will not be a finding in this report:

The New York Times also reported that, overall, Horowitz criticized the FBI's handling of the application and renewals for Page, suggesting instances of sloppiness or negligence. But Horowitz is expected to debunk allegations of a broader conspiracy against President Donald Trump

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/22/20977630/inspector-general-report-carter-page-russia-investigation

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NYT also said Trump wasn't spied on, but we both know that's a lie.

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Ya, those Strzok Page texts were just simple love letters, had nothing to do w/ taking down a President or having an insurance policy in case he won or completely letting Hillary get away w/ everything so they could start a fake investigation into Trump. How does that have anything to do w/ FoxNews?

They will get away w/ it but if Bush had done this to Obama people would have already been in jail after year 1. But the Dems and the deep state do what they do and blame the GOP for what they were doing and somehow manipulated the Republicans w/ the help of the press that Trump needed to be investigated w/ a special counsel which enabled all those shady characters to get away w/ what they did in 2015/2016.

midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

It is interesting that CNN broke this story with several of the key members in this cover up now work for CNN. Obviously trying to get out in front of the story and push their own narrative.

Great article below with just a portion from the end pasted.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/the-first-glimpse-into-horowitzs-fisa-abuse-report/

Questions the IG Report Should Answer

Press stories, based on unnamed sources who've seen a draft of the IG's magnum opus, indicate that Horowitz will conclude that the FBI attorney's document tampering did not affect the overall validity of the warrant application.

I presume this means it was not make-or-break on the issue of probable cause. Under federal jurisprudence, false information does not necessarily invalidate a warrant. Instead, the warrant is deemed valid if, were the false information stripped out, the remaining information would still have been sufficient to establish probable cause.

It should go without saying by now that what's being reported is but a fraction of the problematic information provided to the FISC. I would briefly rehearse four points:

1. The Steele-dossier claims formed a substantial basis for the warrant application. McCabe has assessed that there would not have been probable cause without them; others have indicated that it was a 5050 proposition, at best. It is impossible for us to make a judgment about this without knowing the totality of the non-dossier information.

2. What we do know is not reassuring. While much has been made of the Steele dossier's blatant unreliability, not enough attention has been paid to another matter on which the FBI and DOJ relied: the attempts by Russian spies to recruit Page as an asset between 2008 and 2013.

The government made much of this in the warrant application. Downplayed, however, were the facts that Page cooperated with the government in the prosecution of the spies; that the Justice Department used Page's information in its arrest complaint; that Page submitted to numerous interviews by the federal investigators, including as late as spring 2016, when (according to Page) he was being prepared to testify as a government witness, which testimony became unnecessary when the spy pled guilty; and that the Russian spies against whom he cooperated regarded him as an "idiot" in communications intercepted by the feds.

Did the FBI tell the FISC everything it should have been told about the spy case? If so, what made the FBI believe that Russia, with its highly competent intelligence services supposedly in a high-stakes conspiracy with Trump, would trust as a key conspirator a man who (a) the Kremlin believed was incompetent and (b) had helped the U.S. prosecute the Kremlin's operatives?

3. The FBI's many interviews with Page are highly relevant. So is the fact that, while the FBI was pushing for the warrant, Page in reaction to the Steele-generated negative publicity against him fired off a letter to FBI director James Comey, pleading to meet with agents in order to assuage any concerns they might have about his contacts with Russians.

As I've pointed out a number of times, federal law requires agents seeking an eavesdropping warrant to explain to the court why less intrusive alternative investigative techniques would not be adequate to obtain the information they claim to need. Why did the FBI and DOJ believe they needed an eavesdropping warrant enabling them to monitor all of Page's communications (and to review prior stored texts, emails, and phone messages), if Page was more than willing to submit to an interview under circumstances where there was a long history of such interviews, and where the government had found Page's information sufficiently credible to rely onit in an arrest complaint (and to prepare him to testify as a government witness, Page says)?

What did the FBI and DOJ tell the court about why interviewing Page would not adequately serve their purposes?

4. Much of the information offered as probable cause involved Russia's history of anti-American operations and its cyber-meddling in the 2016 election. These matters are not in dispute, but they do not mean that Carter Page and the Trump campaign were complicit as clandestine agents of the Putin regime.

This last point brings us back to the question raised earlier: Are the investigators and their media allies laying the groundwork to argue that, because Russia did interfere in the 2016 campaign, any "mistakes" in using FISA or other investigative tactics do not detract from the overall validity of the investigation?

If evidence tampering by a low-ranking FBI lawyer ended up making no difference to the validity of the Carter Page FISA warrants, that is hardly the stuff of scandal. It would be small-scale misconduct of the kind that unavoidably happens from time to time, and that the government has handled appropriately by forcing the culprit out of the FBI and referring him to U.S. attorney Durham for possible prosecution.

On the other hand, if the Horowitz report is going to take the tack that, because Russia did in fact meddle in the 2016 campaign, any investigative overreach amounts merely to regrettable but understandable overzealousness, that would be a very big deal and not in a good way.

The question is not whether Russia meddled. On four separate occasions, the FBI and the Justice Department solemnly told the FISC there were grounds to believe that Carter Page and others in the Trump campaign, potentially including Donald Trump himself, were complicit in a criminal conspiracy with the Kremlin. The question is: What was their compelling basis for making that explosive representation, which breached the American norm against government intrusion in our political process?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jason-chaffetz-trump-fisa-report-inspector-general-mainstream-media

"The Inspector General has now -- if the report is correct -- will be making his fourth referral to the Department of Justice for potential criminal prosecution or inter-agency disciplinary action," Chaffetz explained. "That means the Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, and now counsel within the FBI would be recommended for potential criminal prosecution or disciplinary action."

"That is as serious as it gets,"

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/jason-chaffetz-trump-fisa-report-inspector-general-mainstream-media

"The Inspector General has now -- if the report is correct -- will be making his fourth referral to the Department of Justice for potential criminal prosecution or inter-agency disciplinary action," Chaffetz explained. "That means the Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, and now counsel within the FBI would be recommended for potential criminal prosecution or disciplinary action."

"That is as serious as it gets,"

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mmkay.

fubar said:

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

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No doubt there are some who exaggerate on here. I missed "millions" have "researched." Ugh. We have several here on both sides that exaggerate too much.

Always love you, good brother, fubar. Just never knew you were naive to depend so much on biased sources when it comes to politics. :-)

Truth is, it's very difficult to find true political journalists without an agenda

Even Donald J. Trump is protecting the Swamp / Deep State. Let that sink in!!! (Why has he not released the last of the government documents from the JFK assassination?)

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Even Donald J. Trump is protecting the Swamp / Deep State. Let that sink in!!! (Why has he not released the last of the government documents from the JFK assassination?)

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I think he did declassify all of the JFK docs last year if I recall.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Even Donald J. Trump is protecting the Swamp / Deep State. Let that sink in!!! (Why has he not released the last of the government documents from the JFK assassination?)

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I think he did declassify all of the JFK docs last year if I recall.

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Most, but not all of them. The excuse is "national security" and protecting the identity of intelligence agents. I don't buy it. I don't think foreign entities give a crap about any retired CIA agents that are pooping their diapers and can't remember what they had for dinner last night. The fact that they have all not been released is a little troubling to me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/26/trump-delays-release-of-some-jfk-files-until-2021-bowing-to-national-security-concerns/

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Even Donald J. Trump is protecting the Swamp / Deep State. Let that sink in!!! (Why has he not released the last of the government documents from the JFK assassination?)

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chuckle

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And GOP is united because they understand their partners in social contract just usurped the powers of government to disenfranchise their position in that social contract.

No way the GOP can allow what Comey, et al did stand. It'd be acquiescing to underclass status....where the purpose of law is to exonerate Democrats and entrap Republicans.

If we're not equal before the law, we're not free.

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Hope you are right but the Republicans in general don't seem to have the energy necessary.

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

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NPR, PBS, CNN and NYT are all DNC media complex outlets. They have the most retractons and incorrect stories in the last 3 years than any other media outlets.

I said millions are invested and do research on updates regarding SPYGATE. That's not a stretch by any means.

The report I've been "pimping" has led to the creation of a criminal investigation.

midgett said:

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

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No doubt there are some who exaggerate on here. I missed "millions" have "researched." Ugh. We have several here on both sides that exaggerate too much.

Always love you, good brother, fubar. Just never knew you were naive to depend so much on biased sources when it comes to politics. :-)

Truth is, it's very difficult to find true political journalists without an agenda

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We were good before Trump. We'll be good after. You're one of those who make me proud we're both Baylor grads.

My best to you and yours this Thanksgiving.

P.S. Trump still sucks.

fubar said:

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

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No doubt there are some who exaggerate on here. I missed "millions" have "researched." Ugh. We have several here on both sides that exaggerate too much.

Always love you, good brother, fubar. Just never knew you were naive to depend so much on biased sources when it comes to politics. :-)

Truth is, it's very difficult to find true political journalists without an agenda

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We were good before Trump. We'll be good after. You're one of those who make me proud we're both Baylor grads.

My best to you and yours this Thanksgiving.

P.S. Trump still sucks.

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What? Friendship is OVER!!!

Happy Thanksgiving, fubar.

midgett said:

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fubar said:

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midgett said:

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fubar said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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fubar said:

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"Millions" of people have "researched" this? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

But by all means, let's prosecute people so that some Bubbas don't get angry and go shoot up the town.

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Millions have heard or looked into this. Fox News averages 2.4 million viewers and they talk about this every week.

You can see trends on #SPYGATE stats on twitter, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin, Jack Posobiec viewership. Well over 30 million hits on this story. The Q anon crazies alone make up over a million people.

You need to read better. I said IF they lay out the crimes...but they refuse charges, people are going to be very angry.

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Watching Fox News equals research?

You researchers may be surprised at the report ... especially if Fox News is your primary source.

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Fox News isn't my primary source but since you bring it up, who/what is your primary news source?

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I read/watch a variety, but NPR recently (lots of car time over the past few weeks). When at home watching, PBS and CNN mostly. In print (or online), New York Times.

For the record, however, I didn't bring it up. Doc said that "millions" of people had "researched" this. When I challenged that assertion -- which is on its face preposterous -- he said that millions ... watch Fox News.

And also for the record, the report he and some others have been pimping, and waiting on with bated breath ... never mind. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Except to say that their usual backup plan is already in motion.

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No doubt there are some who exaggerate on here. I missed "millions" have "researched." Ugh. We have several here on both sides that exaggerate too much.

Always love you, good brother, fubar. Just never knew you were naive to depend so much on biased sources when it comes to politics. :-)

Truth is, it's very difficult to find true political journalists without an agenda

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I am not now, or have I ever, or will I ever in the future exaggerate in the ever so slightest bit.

Happy Freakin' Thanksgiving to every single one of you on this awesome board!