All good suggestions it is, however, 38 and raining here which severely limits the outside options. Will probably drag them both out of the house tomorrow since the sun is supposed to be out.
Aliceinbubbleland said:Just read nein51's post so I deleted my comment. Best of luck nein51 to your wife.riflebear said:
NW USA? Canada? You can turn that around for Houston. Was 88 but 83 right now . Playing Corno Defense.nein51 said:
All good suggestions it is, however, 38 and raining here which severely limits the outside options. Will probably drag them both out of the house tomorrow since the sun is supposed to be out.
Canada2017 said:nein51 said:Canada2017 said:
Almost meaningless if the number of infections and deaths continue to increase .
I mean, not if you're not sick and also care about your finances. Selfish as that sounds.
Ending the quarantines by Easter,
Without a workable drug treatment or vaccine by December ......
utilizing the most OPTIMISTIC 1918 Spanish Influenza percentages...
Approximately 500,000 dead of the C-19 virus by February 1st 2021.
Unbelievably tough choices coming up.
https://apnews.com/318e1f71f2848d32474d557ca73c42f2Quote:
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) Most national parks are open as a refuge for Americans tired of being stuck at home during a pandemic, but despite now being free to visit, people may find it more difficult to enjoy them as parks close visitor centers, shuttles, lodges and restaurants to fight the spread of the coronavirus.
Parks are trying to keep up with ever-changing rules and recommendations from government officials who are urging people to avoid gathering in large groups but allowing them to get outside for fresh air and exercise as long as they keep away from others.
The National Park Service says it's adhering to the latest guidelines from the White House and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, vowing to keep outdoor spaces open while giving park superintendents the power to close or modify operations.
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt this week temporarily waived entrance fees at national parks, monuments and wildlife refuges to make it easier for people to get outdoors and "implement some social distancing."
LOL. Harris County Toll Roads are free this month in Houston too lol.jupiter said:
National Parks will be free to public during coronavirus pandemichttps://apnews.com/318e1f71f2848d32474d557ca73c42f2Quote:
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) Most national parks are open as a refuge for Americans tired of being stuck at home during a pandemic, but despite now being free to visit, people may find it more difficult to enjoy them as parks close visitor centers, shuttles, lodges and restaurants to fight the spread of the coronavirus.
Parks are trying to keep up with ever-changing rules and recommendations from government officials who are urging people to avoid gathering in large groups but allowing them to get outside for fresh air and exercise as long as they keep away from others.
The National Park Service says it's adhering to the latest guidelines from the White House and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, vowing to keep outdoor spaces open while giving park superintendents the power to close or modify operations.
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt this week temporarily waived entrance fees at national parks, monuments and wildlife refuges to make it easier for people to get outdoors and "implement some social distancing."
nein51 said:riflebear said:
Seems inevitable to me really. If you have depression being "shut in" even if you're not really stuck is a serious problem. My wife struggles with depression. I can already see some signs I don't love.
She owns her own business and, to be honest, at some point I will probably suggest she go to work. She will be the only one there but it's out of the house and routine and she needs both of those things.
If you have friends with depression you might want to make a real effort to reach out to them regularly.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.ATL Bear said:March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.ATL Bear said:March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
Sizable jump day over day. Mortality rate remains steady. Surprised at this point the testing continues to have such a high negative result (~90%).
New York makes up half of new cases and 43 of the deaths. Washington and Louisiana with 15 deaths each round out top 3 states and collectively half the fatalities.
PartyBear said:
Looks like the whole state of Florida will be NY next week based on data I saw earlier. A lot of Floridians are over 65.
And Louisiana has a big problem emerging. I understand their health care infrastructure is already stressed.
PartyBear said:
Since that last post Disney and Universal have announced they will not reopen when they had originally planned.
PartyBear said:
Since that last post Disney and Universal have announced they will not reopen when they had originally planned.
How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
proof ?TexasScientist said:We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Ah, more hyhsteria.TexasScientist said:We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Proof - follow the trajectory in NY to Italy. They essentially overlay.Canada2017 said:proof ?TexasScientist said:We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Read that 4000 got shipped today
Cuomo had the opportunity to buy more ventilators for his state years ago and chose not to.TexasScientist said:Proof - follow the trajectory in NY to Italy. They essentially overlay.Canada2017 said:proof ?TexasScientist said:We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Read that 4000 got shipped today
What about the remaining 16,000 that they did not ship. NY needs 30,000.
Trump could have/ should have already released the remaining 16,000 ventilators to NY, and ordered the production and purchase, through the Defense Production Act, enough ventilators for NY and the other coming hot spots around the country where they will be needed to prevent deaths. Time is of the essence. It takes time to deliver and get them in place, and more so to produce them. Does anyone really believe Cuomo is pleading for help disingenuously or is overreacting?
What are the signs you notice that help you know "hysteria?"Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the "hysteria" from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Do you really believe that Gov. Cuomo is incorrectly comparing where NY is now to Italy is a mistake? He says they are using projection models. He does say the hospitalization rate has slowed. He has the staff and resources and evidence available to know if those comparisons and projections are erroneous. There are reasons, as of yet, that Washington state has not overwhelmed their medical and ventilator capacity. Cuomo says personally, he believes because they have a lot of international travelers, and their population density is greater NY has the 15 times the case load as other areas such as California.Oldbear83 said:Ah, more hyhsteria.TexasScientist said:We're going to get the first taste of this in NY. Right now NY is on track with Italy. Unless they get enough ventilators, many people are going to die unnecessarily. The sad thing is, ventilators are being withheld for personal pettiness.Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the hysteria from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
The problem with medical equipment is the same one we are seeing with consumer products - the distribution system was designed for conditions different from the current situation. Yes, some of what is happening is emotional decisions rather than rational decisions, but that unfortunately includes medical professionals who disagree about priorities and of course politicians who put their own district or party ahead of the people at need.
I think it is a grave mistake to conflate different regions and situations just because you find an apparent correlation. New York is different from Italy, just as France is different from Iran, despite some similar case numbers. It's just as important to look at the successes and consider why they avoided the fate of other places. Why, for example, did Washington State, which was the first US state hit with the virus, see a stop in new deaths from COVID-19 after the initial flood? Why has Ohio fared better than Illinois?
Let's look at ALL the evidence and seek answers that do better than make for emotional arguments.
Cuomo already has ALL the evidence he needs to make his argument. Cuomo has laid it out and produced it in abundant and clear detail, making cogent and convincing arguments for NY's needs. He has been doing this for weeks and days. Trump/Pence have not made any case for their slow response in implementing the DPA, nor for their token limited response to the request for ventilators. The Trump/Pence ad hoc response is going to end in unnecessary deaths if the trend pans out. Why take that risk?Quote:
Let's look at ALL the evidence and seek answers that do better than make for emotional arguments.
In any crisis, experts offer a variety of possible outcomes. These often take form in 'best case', 'worst case', and 'most likely' scenarios. When someone only offers a worst-case scenarios, and ignores good news to do so, it's reasonable to conclude they are speaking out of emotion, specifically hysteria.Waco1947 said:What are the signs you notice that help you know "hysteria?"Oldbear83 said:No more caffeine for you, then.Canada2017 said:How many Americans have to die before you finally get it ?Oldbear83 said:
"war zone"? Dang, and Costco is all out of 75mm artillery shells ...
3,000
30,000
300,000
Unless a workable drug is found and a vaccine developed......this virus has the potential to kill far more people than any pandemic in the last 30 years.
I take the virus seriously, but utterly reject the "hysteria" from people who cannot see anything but worst-case projections based on driving fear, not solutions.
Until the hospitals are overwhelmed in a local community ..then the death rate will go up.ATL Bear said:
Nothing is approaching Italy's mortality rate, or Spain for that matter. That is the critical measure.
PartyBear said:
NY needs 40,000 I thought. I can almost guarantee you this has to do with the N.Y. AG investigation. Trump even said yesterday the WH needs to be treated more nicely by NY. That was likely his signal similar to the Ukraine leader.
To talk about 'overwhelming hospitals' and horrific death rates, I'm sure.Canada2017 said:
Done with this for now. Its a gorgeous day here. Packing a lunch and going to a state natural area with my wife.