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11:48a, 7/21/20
July 4 Total 1,308 | COVID 568 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 5 Total 1,307 | COVID 589 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 6 Total 1,362 | COVID 600 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.0%
July 7 Total 1,364 | COVID 615 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.7%
July 8 Total 1,394 | COVID 626 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.3%
July 9 Total 1,394 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.2%
July 10 Total 1,420 | COVID 651 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.0%
July 11 Total 1,368 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.3%
July 12 Total 1,365 | COVID 682 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.0%
July 13 Total 1,352 | COVID 674 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.9%
July 14 Total 1.359 | COVID 676 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.5%
July 15 Total 1.400 | COVID 678 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.3%
July 16 Total 1.400 | COVID 689 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 18 Total 1.345 | COVID 667 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.8%
July 19 Total 1.361 | COVID 664 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 20 Total 1.347 | COVID 686 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

Houston Methodist "COVID-19 Cases by Day". Click scroll to 2nd chart.
https://www.houstonmethodist.org/-/media/pdf/for-patients/Coronavirus/covid-19-stats.ashx







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Covid antibodies in patients with mild symptoms fade quickly, raising concerns that their immunity from a future infection may not last very long, researchers said in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Wonder if/when a vaccine is developed will it:
(1) need an annual booster like a flu shot and be hit or miss year to year?
(2) need a 10-year booster like tetanus?

Good Policy in FL Nursing Homes
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Florida Creates Nursing Homes for Virus Patients (1:15 p.m. NY)

Florida officials are trying to ease pressure on the health-care system by creating a network of nursing homes for people who have Covid-19 but aren't sick enough to be hospitalized. The state now has about 1,400 beds where elderly Covid-positive patients can be isolated without taking up a bed in a hospital, said Governor Ron DeSantis.


3.9 million confirmed US cases x 13 = ~50,700,000 USA cases (just doing the math)
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The number of people infected with the coronavirus in parts of the U.S. is as much as 13 times higher than the reported rates in those regions, the New York Times reported, citing data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The findings suggest that many people who didn't show symptoms or seek medical care may have kept the virus in circulation, the Times said.

11 million in New Dehli x 25% = ~2,750,000
Sidenote: India is using HCQ prophylactically in large numbers
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/vadodara-administration-drive-hcq-helping-in-containing-covid-19-cases-say-docs-as-analysis-begins-6486049/
1 Dose: 48,873 close contacts of positive patients who took one dose of HCQ, 102 turned Covid-19 positive and 12 succumbed
2 doses: 17,776 close contacts of positive patients who took two doses of HCQ 48 turned Covid-19 positive and only one died.
3 doses: 33,563 close contacts of patients who took three HCQ doses, 43 tested Covid-19 positive and one died.
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Nearly a quarter of the residents in India's capital New Delhi have had the coronavirus, according to a sero-prevalence study conducted by the country's disease control organization.

The study conducted by the National Center for Disease Control found that 23.48% of the 21,387 blood samples tested showed the prevalence of IgG antibodies. With a population of more than 11 million, New Delhi has so far reported 123,747 confirmed cases and 3,663 deaths.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 1:30p, 7/21/20
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Republicans and Democrats should both have shot down media attempts to play blame games with the virus response, in order to put patients first and address the crisis as humans, not politicians.
The parties are poisons right now.
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3:15p, 7/21/20
McLennan County heath authority just shut down all in person schools until September 8.

Edit: Although the order specifically includes private schools (contrary to Ken Paxton's opinion) it also only applies to pre-k through 12, so no impact on BU.
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In reply to Booray • 3:47p, 7/21/20
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McLennan County heath authority just shut down all in person schools until September 8.

Edit: Although the order specifically includes private schools (contrary to Ken Paxton's opinion) it also only applies to pre-k through 12, so no impact on BU.
Ironically the BU students are at slightly more risk statistically than the younger kids although both sets are in very safe age groups.

Wasn't there a story on the football board today that HS are going to play FB in Texas? Are the plans to play football and not open schools?

EDIT: Found the Texas HS football comment. No idea if this is for real or just speculation.



EDIT again! TX pushes start date Back

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Per Boo

McLennan County health authority orders in-person school delayed until September
The Waco-McLennan County health authority on Tuesday afternoon ordered all public and private K-12 schools in the county to postpone in-person classes until after Sept. 7, while allowing for remote instruction to proceed as planned.

Dr. Farley Verner, the health authority for the Waco-McLennan County Public Health District, also ordered all school systems in the county to develop and submit a written plan by Aug. 21 on how to resume in-person instruction and extracurricular activities, according to a press release.
Verner said in the press release that he believes the order is vital to protecting the public health.
"These control measures are necessary to protect the public health based on the higher risk of spread of COVID-19 in schools due to the necessity of large groups gathering and the difficulty for some children to follow social distancing and hygiene guidelines," he said.
https://wacotrib.com/news/local/mclennan-county-health-authority-orders-in-person-school-delayed-until-september/article_d2609fd6-dc50-549f-a6b4-e93ef47f1be9.html#tracking-source=home-breaking
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3:53p, 7/21/20
Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
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In reply to Jacques Strap • 4:22p, 7/21/20
Jacques Strap said:


Wonder if/when a vaccine is developed will it1) need an annual booster like a flu shot and be hit or miss year to year?
(2) need a 10-year booster like tetanus?

There is some evidence that the antibodies do not persist, which suggests boosters.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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In reply to quash • 4:28p, 7/21/20
quash said:
Jacques Strap said:


Wonder if/when a vaccine is developed will it1) need an annual booster like a flu shot and be hit or miss year to year?
(2) need a 10-year booster like tetanus?

There is some evidence that the antibodies do not persist, which suggests boosters.
There is some that suggests antibodies form and T cell immunity attaches. I've also seen the evidence that white cell immunity may be limited. I have family members who have had Covid.

I don't see how a person contracts Covid and does not develop antibodies. As you state, how long do they last? Maybe a recurrence will be less severe.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 4:28p, 7/21/20
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Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
Aside from the very few who will die, the ones who sail through but infect relatives or teachers. So far the group most impacted is poor and minority; RGV is getting hammered. Migrants especially.

If you can substitute teach get ready to be picky.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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In reply to quash • 4:32p, 7/21/20
quash said:
Osodecentx said:
Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
Aside from the very few who will die, the ones who sail through but infect relatives or teachers. So far the group most impacted is poor and minority; RGV is getting hammered. Migrants especially.

If you can substitute teach get ready to be picky.
We're getting ready to see some privilege. High middle income kids' parents of all races will get their kids educated and fed.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 4:43p, 7/21/20
Osodecentx said:
quash said:
Osodecentx said:
Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
Aside from the very few who will die, the ones who sail through but infect relatives or teachers. So far the group most impacted is poor and minority; RGV is getting hammered. Migrants especially.

If you can substitute teach get ready to be picky.
We're getting ready to see some privilege. High middle income kids' parents of all races will get their kids educated and fed.
My wife runs a private school for "high to middle income kids." She was (and is) ready to open with a panoply of safeguards: (1) reduced class sizes; (2) new, specially designed air filtration systems to include the building units and in-class units: (3) Plexiglas sneeze guards all over the place; (4) significant outdoor time to include alternative classes under tents; (5) repeated temperature checks; (6) hand sanitizers all over the place with mandatory hand washing protocol; (7) face masks for ages 10+; (8) special teacher training on how to maintain social distancing; and probably 50 other things I am not aware of. The kids and families are raring to go.

But now McLennan County has shut her down. She will pivot to online and it will be a 1,000 times better than anything the public schools offer. But she may lose her mind.

I really don't understand how three weeks from now we will be in any different position of the we continue our day-to-day activities. Closing the schools just makes it very hard for kids to learn and very hard for adults to work.
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In reply to Booray • 4:52p, 7/21/20
Booray said:
Osodecentx said:
quash said:
Osodecentx said:
Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
Aside from the very few who will die, the ones who sail through but infect relatives or teachers. So far the group most impacted is poor and minority; RGV is getting hammered. Migrants especially.

If you can substitute teach get ready to be picky.
We're getting ready to see some privilege. High middle income kids' parents of all races will get their kids educated and fed.
My wife runs a private school for "high to middle income kids." She was (and is) ready to open with a panoply of safeguards: (1) reduced class sizes; (2) new, specially designed air filtration systems to include the building units and in-class units: (3) Plexiglas sneeze guards all over the place; (4) significant outdoor time to include alternative classes under tents; (5) repeated temperature checks; (6) hand sanitizers all over the place with mandatory hand washing protocol; (7) face masks for ages 10+; (8) special teacher training on how to maintain social distancing; and probably 50 other things I am not aware of. The kids and families are raring to go.

But now McLennan County has shut her down. She will pivot to online and it will be a 1,000 times better than anything the public schools offer. But she may lose her mind.

I really don't understand how three weeks from now we will be in any different position of the we continue our day-to-day activities. Closing the schools just makes it very hard for kids to learn and very hard for adults to work.
1. Your wife and her school have a pretty good plan. The parents of her students will get their children an education one way or the other
2. There will be a surge of cases whenever schools reopen. I see it as inevitable
3. Closing schools will make it harder on the children of the lower middle class
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In reply to Osodecentx • 5:01p, 7/21/20
Osodecentx said:
quash said:
Osodecentx said:
Which kids are going to be adversely impacted the most?
Aside from the very few who will die, the ones who sail through but infect relatives or teachers. So far the group most impacted is poor and minority; RGV is getting hammered. Migrants especially.

If you can substitute teach get ready to be picky.
We're getting ready to see some privilege. High middle income kids' parents of all races will get their kids educated and fed.
Agree with this 100 percent. Are a whole lot of parents that are not going to be able or willing to help their kids online. This will be a disaster. We were already behind the rest of the world in education and that gap will continue to widen. Teachers not willing to go to school and teach are not helping either.
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"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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1:15p, 7/22/20
July 4 Total 1,308 | COVID 568 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 5 Total 1,307 | COVID 589 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 6 Total 1,362 | COVID 600 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.0%
July 7 Total 1,364 | COVID 615 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.7%
July 8 Total 1,394 | COVID 626 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.3%
July 9 Total 1,394 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.2%
July 10 Total 1,420 | COVID 651 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.0%
July 11 Total 1,368 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.3%
July 12 Total 1,365 | COVID 682 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.0%
July 13 Total 1,352 | COVID 674 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.9%
July 14 Total 1.359 | COVID 676 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.5%
July 15 Total 1.400 | COVID 678 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.3%
July 16 Total 1.400 | COVID 689 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 18 Total 1.345 | COVID 667 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.8%
July 19 Total 1.361 | COVID 664 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 20 Total 1.347 | COVID 686 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 21 Total 1.386 | COVID 691 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.3%

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

Houston Methodist "COVID-19 Cases by Day". Click scroll to 2nd chart.
https://www.houstonmethodist.org/-/media/pdf/for-patients/Coronavirus/covid-19-stats.ashx








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I am hoping the 24 number is correct. More cases means lower fatality rate.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/


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Actual Covid-19 case count could be 6 to 24 times higher than official estimates, CDC study shows

The study, published Tuesday in JAMA Internal Medicine, relied on serological tests blood screens that search for antibodies to the virus and that determine whether someone was previously infected. They are different from diagnostic tests, which only detect people who currently have the virus, called SARS-CoV-2.

...

Still, the data reflect what CDC Director Robert Redfield recently said that true case numbers are 10 times higher than confirmed diagnoses. Confirmed cases in the U.S. stand at more than 3.8 million.
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2:29p, 7/22/20
Nancy Pelosi is an awful human being.

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to Donald Trump..
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In reply to cinque • 2:32p, 7/22/20
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:47a, 7/23/20
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 7:59a, 7/23/20
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 9:24a, 7/23/20
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.
IOW you do not believe the US population is smart enough to read. They need a President to tell them what to do? Do you honestly believe if Trump had closed the airports in Seattle and NYC to flights from China (that's how it originated in this county) in February he would not be **** shamed by the opposition? Covid19 is the equivalent to a Democratic National Convention.
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9:46a, 7/23/20
Northern Colorado is getting hot again .

Infections per day increasing dramatically.

No way in the world should schools re open here .

Horrible situation ...obviously summer heat is not knocking this engineered virus down .

Huge pool of c-19 throughout the country available to mutate as we go into the fall killer months .

Keep your discipline because everything now comes down to the availability of a vaccine .

Still maintain the worst will be over by February....but it's going to be really bad the next four months .
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In reply to cinque • 9:49a, 7/23/20
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to Donald Trump..


Bull**** .

Only thing that would have prevented the existence/stupidity of corona parties would have been a total travel ban back in early January along with a total closure of the country's borders .

And idiots like you would have screamed bloody murder .
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 10:37a, 7/23/20
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 10:43a, 7/23/20
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
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In reply to Aliceinbubbleland • 10:47a, 7/23/20
Aliceinbubbleland said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.
IOW you do not believe the US population is smart enough to read. They need a President to tell them what to do? Do you honestly believe if Trump had closed the airports in Seattle and NYC to flights from China (that's how it originated in this county) in February he would not be **** shamed by the opposition? Covid19 is the equivalent to a Democratic National Convention.
Not only did it get here through China but from Italy also. The issue is not that he didn't close the airport soon enough. The issue is that he did nothing to insure testing with quick turnaround, requiring masks, social distancing, contact tracing and isolation. Those countries that did that have contained the virus and had minimal impact on their economies. As of yet he still is doing nothing along the lines of what we know will successfully contain the virus. We still don't have adequate testing with quick turn around on results. Consequently, we have one of the poorest responses and one of the highest case rates and death rates in the world. He had months to take the lead and get ahead of the virus spread, which he squandered. His failure in this crisis is wrecking the economy and causing unnecessary deaths.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 10:49a, 7/23/20
You lie poorly, TS.

And those lies are not fooling people as well you imagine.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 10:50a, 7/23/20
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.
You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation. Now we're in a worse situation due to his denials, ignoring the virus and encouraging governors to do the same.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 10:54a, 7/23/20
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
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cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.
You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.
IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:27a, 7/23/20
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
Quote:
Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.
You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.
IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).
I'm just pointing out the facts and truth. Maybe you should consider that you are blinded by Trump's cult of personality and don't want to recognize you've made a mistake in supporting him so blindly.

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OW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.
Surely you see this is a virus that spreads beyond and transcends state borders and municipalities, and is a national threat that requires a national response. It is too big to be addressed by local cities and states on their own. It requires a national response, or we end up with exactly the situation we have now, a raging uncontrolled pandemic. States and cities do not have the resources and people to control this on their following Trump's every man and every state for themselves policy. It's turned into a disaster.

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You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).
I'm surprised you would even make this statement. You and I should expect a president who has the self awareness to know that he is not an expert in everything (even-though Trump proclaims expertise in virtually everything). It is precisely Trump's second guessing experts, following his uninformed seat of the pants gut feelings that we have an out of control virus raging now in the U.S. Why do you think Fauci needs to see patients? He is an expert in infectious disease. Would you rather have a GP giving Trump advice on how to deal with a Pandemic. You're throwing the baby out with the bath, because WHO initially believed China. Trump believed China also, praising them in January for their response. Are you going to discredit him for that? Trump ignored Peter Navarro's written warnings about this virus in January.

The truth is Trump was planning on riding his trade deal with China, and the improving economy to re-election. The virus was getting in his way and he didn't want to acknowledge the magnitude of the problem. He didn't want to let the virus get in the way and tried to ignore its threat, pronouncing and thinking it would go away this summer, pushing the national problem and attention back on the states to handle, and thinking he could BS his way through this.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 11:34a, 7/23/20
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.
To be fair, that isn't exactly what the models said or what actually happened. Most other countries did institute lockdowns in some form or another. And a resurgence was always predicted; the only question was how best to mitigate it.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:37a, 7/23/20
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
Quote:
Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.
You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.
IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).
He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 12:16p, 7/23/20
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
cinque said:
SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs
Fixed to address your malicious TDS
Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.
Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.
Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.
You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.
Quote:
Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.
You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.
IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).
He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.
Our own intelligence, like maybe a USAID liaison with the Wuhan lab?
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