Lots of opening games in Tennessee last night. These HS games may be the canary in the coal mine for Big 12/SEC/ACC football.
And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
trey3216 said:quash said:And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
You spelled vapid wrong
Jack Bauer said:trey3216 said:quash said:And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
You spelled vapid wrong
Um...what does this have to do with the CDC?
Governor Cuomo Announces Individuals Traveling to New York Will Be Required to Quarantine for 14 Days
trey3216 said:Jack Bauer said:trey3216 said:quash said:And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
You spelled vapid wrong
Um...what does this have to do with the CDC?
Governor Cuomo Announces Individuals Traveling to New York Will Be Required to Quarantine for 14 Days
You said beautiful women. I was stating that the Hollywood types are valid. Cmon man
then why did you quote me?Jack Bauer said:trey3216 said:Jack Bauer said:trey3216 said:quash said:And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
You spelled vapid wrong
Um...what does this have to do with the CDC?
Governor Cuomo Announces Individuals Traveling to New York Will Be Required to Quarantine for 14 Days
You said beautiful women. I was stating that the Hollywood types are valid. Cmon man
That wasn't me
That was quash.
And my reply was to him too, not you.
trey3216 said:Jack Bauer said:trey3216 said:quash said:And because the CDC dropped the requirement for everybody, not just celebrities. But post some more tweets of beautiful women.Jack Bauer said:
Of course not, because this is all a political game.
You spelled vapid wrong
Um...what does this have to do with the CDC?
Governor Cuomo Announces Individuals Traveling to New York Will Be Required to Quarantine for 14 Days
You said beautiful women. I was stating that the Hollywood types are vapid. Cmon man
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(Bloomberg) --
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez rejected calls for a new national lockdown as the nation reemerges as the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in Europe.
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Spain lifted a nationwide state of emergency on June 21 as it emerged from a strict three-month lockdown imposed to gain control over one of Europe's worst outbreaks. The rapid spread of the virus in Spain left some 28,400 people dead by the official count almost surely understated with most of them over the age of 70.
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Since then, new coronavirus cases have quadrupled now concentrated among young people as the left-wing coalition government of Prime Minister Pedro Snchez returned responsibility for a safe reopening to Spain's regions. That has made Spain a mosaic of new rules some less stringent or more loosely enforced than others and an uneven patchwork of successes mixed with alarming failures.
Several other European countries, from Portugal to Germany, have faced significant local outbreaks after coming out of lockdown, but most of those were more limited in scale and snuffed out relatively quickly. Authorities isolated pockets of new cases and traced those who may have been exposed.
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Crucially, two weeks in, testing has shown no evidence of anyone contracting the coronavirus within a school.
In most cases, however, the schools had only one student or teacher with an infection, and in all of the cases the infections are believed to have come from outside the schools. While a couple closed for a day to wait for test results on some students or staff, none of Berlin's schools have shut back down completely, and the vast majority in the region more than 800 have reported no cases.
Germany's politicians widely agree that students must be allowed to return to schools, and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has warned that if governments don't prioritize that in-class learning, the could face "a catastrophe for an entire generation."
it's reports like this that show infection as a failure but infection is not a necessarily a failure. Virus gonna virus. An avoidable death is a failure but the current death rate in Spain shows that this is not an issue at this timeJacques Strap said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-25/sanchez-rejects-new-spanish-lockdown-amid-surge-in-virus-casesQuote:
(Bloomberg) --
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez rejected calls for a new national lockdown as the nation reemerges as the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in Europe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/world/europe/spain-coronavirus-reopening.htmlQuote:
Spain lifted a nationwide state of emergency on June 21 as it emerged from a strict three-month lockdown imposed to gain control over one of Europe's worst outbreaks. The rapid spread of the virus in Spain left some 28,400 people dead by the official count almost surely understated with most of them over the age of 70.Quote:
Since then, new coronavirus cases have quadrupled now concentrated among young people as the left-wing coalition government of Prime Minister Pedro Snchez returned responsibility for a safe reopening to Spain's regions. That has made Spain a mosaic of new rules some less stringent or more loosely enforced than others and an uneven patchwork of successes mixed with alarming failures.
Several other European countries, from Portugal to Germany, have faced significant local outbreaks after coming out of lockdown, but most of those were more limited in scale and snuffed out relatively quickly. Authorities isolated pockets of new cases and traced those who may have been exposed.
Agree. It looks like Spain has joined the "controlled burn" movement... you open as much as you can without overwhelming hospitals.Gruvin said:it's reports like this that show infection as a failure but infection is not a necessarily a failure. Virus gonna virus. An avoidable death is a failure but the current death rate in Spain shows that this is not an issue at this timeJacques Strap said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-25/sanchez-rejects-new-spanish-lockdown-amid-surge-in-virus-casesQuote:
(Bloomberg) --
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez rejected calls for a new national lockdown as the nation reemerges as the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in Europe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/world/europe/spain-coronavirus-reopening.htmlQuote:
Spain lifted a nationwide state of emergency on June 21 as it emerged from a strict three-month lockdown imposed to gain control over one of Europe's worst outbreaks. The rapid spread of the virus in Spain left some 28,400 people dead by the official count almost surely understated with most of them over the age of 70.Quote:
Since then, new coronavirus cases have quadrupled now concentrated among young people as the left-wing coalition government of Prime Minister Pedro Snchez returned responsibility for a safe reopening to Spain's regions. That has made Spain a mosaic of new rules some less stringent or more loosely enforced than others and an uneven patchwork of successes mixed with alarming failures.
Several other European countries, from Portugal to Germany, have faced significant local outbreaks after coming out of lockdown, but most of those were more limited in scale and snuffed out relatively quickly. Authorities isolated pockets of new cases and traced those who may have been exposed.
If it came from the Presbyterians, the outcome is preordained no matter what the government tries to do.Jacques Strap said:
Virus gonna virus South Korean style. Will they join the "controlled burn" club, or will they stick with contact tracing and lockdowns?
https://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-brink-nationwide-virus-094757850.html
South Korea on brink of nationwide virus outbreak, officials warn
South Korea, a country held up as a model for its response to Covid-19, is on the brink of a new nationwide outbreak, according to officials.
The latest outbreak of coronavirus cases centred around a right-wing Presbyterian church has spread to all 17 provinces throughout the country for the first time.
Each day brings a new three digit virus total.
Social distancing rules have been stepped up. Masks are now mandatory in Seoul. The government is also considering whether to close schools and businesses.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has admitted that about 20% of all new cases are of unknown origin - despite the country's efficient contact tracing system which can track down around 1,000 potentially infected patients in an hour.
efficient...
It's a relative term: who is doing it more efficiently?Jacques Strap said:
Virus gonna virus South Korean style. Will they join the "controlled burn" club, or will they stick with contact tracing and lockdowns?
https://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-brink-nationwide-virus-094757850.html
South Korea on brink of nationwide virus outbreak, officials warn
South Korea, a country held up as a model for its response to Covid-19, is on the brink of a new nationwide outbreak, according to officials.
The latest outbreak of coronavirus cases centred around a right-wing Presbyterian church has spread to all 17 provinces throughout the country for the first time.
Each day brings a new three digit virus total.
Social distancing rules have been stepped up. Masks are now mandatory in Seoul. The government is also considering whether to close schools and businesses.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has admitted that about 20% of all new cases are of unknown origin - despite the country's efficient contact tracing system which can track down around 1,000 potentially infected patients in an hour.
efficient...
How can you efficiently track asymptomatic cases?quash said:It's a relative term: who is doing it more efficiently?Jacques Strap said:
Virus gonna virus South Korean style. Will they join the "controlled burn" club, or will they stick with contact tracing and lockdowns?
https://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-brink-nationwide-virus-094757850.html
South Korea on brink of nationwide virus outbreak, officials warn
South Korea, a country held up as a model for its response to Covid-19, is on the brink of a new nationwide outbreak, according to officials.
The latest outbreak of coronavirus cases centred around a right-wing Presbyterian church has spread to all 17 provinces throughout the country for the first time.
Each day brings a new three digit virus total.
Social distancing rules have been stepped up. Masks are now mandatory in Seoul. The government is also considering whether to close schools and businesses.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has admitted that about 20% of all new cases are of unknown origin - despite the country's efficient contact tracing system which can track down around 1,000 potentially infected patients in an hour.
efficient...
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In response to the novel and deadly coronavirus, many governments deployed draconian tactics never used in modern times: severe and broad restrictions on daily activity that helped send the world into its deepest peacetime slump since the Great Depression.
The equivalent of 400 million jobs have been lost world-wide, 13 million in the U.S. alone. Global output is on track to fall 5% this year, far worse than during the financial crisis, according to the International Monetary Fund.
Despite this steep price, few policy makers felt they had a choice, seeing the economic crisis as a side effect of the health crisis. They ordered nonessential businesses closed and told people to stay home, all without the extensive analysis of benefits and risks that usually precedes a new medical treatment.
There wasn't time to gather that sort of evidence: Faced with a poorly understood and rapidly spreading pathogen, they prioritized saving lives.
Five months later, the evidence suggests lockdowns were an overly blunt and economically costly tool. They are politically difficult to keep in place for long enough to stamp out the virus. The evidence also points to alternative strategies that could slow the spread of the epidemic at much less cost. As cases flare up throughout the U.S., some experts are urging policy makers to pursue these more targeted restrictions and interventions rather than another crippling round of lockdowns.
S. Korea had a robust testing program, working hand in hand with the strict tracing. If a trace suggested you had contact you got tested and were quarantined until the results came back. Pretty efficient. Anybody doing better than 80%?Jacques Strap said:How can you efficiently track asymptomatic cases?quash said:It's a relative term: who is doing it more efficiently?Jacques Strap said:
Virus gonna virus South Korean style. Will they join the "controlled burn" club, or will they stick with contact tracing and lockdowns?
https://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-brink-nationwide-virus-094757850.html
South Korea on brink of nationwide virus outbreak, officials warn
South Korea, a country held up as a model for its response to Covid-19, is on the brink of a new nationwide outbreak, according to officials.
The latest outbreak of coronavirus cases centred around a right-wing Presbyterian church has spread to all 17 provinces throughout the country for the first time.
Each day brings a new three digit virus total.
Social distancing rules have been stepped up. Masks are now mandatory in Seoul. The government is also considering whether to close schools and businesses.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has admitted that about 20% of all new cases are of unknown origin - despite the country's efficient contact tracing system which can track down around 1,000 potentially infected patients in an hour.
efficient...
nah... orange man badJacques Strap said:
Belgium
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423?via%3Dihub
Low-dose Hydroxychloroquine Therapy and Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: A Nationwide Observational Study of 8075 Participants
24 August 2020
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 2400 mg during 5 days was used in Belgium for COVID-19
Impact of HCQ on mortality among 8075 patients with COVID-19 was assessed
Lower mortality in HCQ-treated patients as compared to supportive care
Lower mortality is irrespective of symptoms duration
Conclusions
Compared to supportive care only, low-dose HCQ monotherapy was independently associated with lower mortality in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 diagnosed and treated early or later after symptom onset.
Do you even #science bruh?Jacques Strap said:
Belgium
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423?via%3Dihub
Low-dose Hydroxychloroquine Therapy and Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: A Nationwide Observational Study of 8075 Participants
24 August 2020
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 2400 mg during 5 days was used in Belgium for COVID-19
Impact of HCQ on mortality among 8075 patients with COVID-19 was assessed
Lower mortality in HCQ-treated patients as compared to supportive care
Lower mortality is irrespective of symptoms duration
Conclusions
Compared to supportive care only, low-dose HCQ monotherapy was independently associated with lower mortality in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 diagnosed and treated early or later after symptom onset.
Lots of questions:Jacques Strap said:
Belgium
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423?via%3Dihub
Low-dose Hydroxychloroquine Therapy and Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: A Nationwide Observational Study of 8075 Participants
24 August 2020
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 2400 mg during 5 days was used in Belgium for COVID-19
Impact of HCQ on mortality among 8075 patients with COVID-19 was assessed
Lower mortality in HCQ-treated patients as compared to supportive care
Lower mortality is irrespective of symptoms duration
Conclusions
Compared to supportive care only, low-dose HCQ monotherapy was independently associated with lower mortality in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 diagnosed and treated early or later after symptom onset.
Retrospective study, so it includes the usual limitation of that type of study. The PDF has a lot of additional information. I thought the results were interesting and aligned with the Henry Ford Hospital Study. I'm not a fan of the use of placebos in a COVID study with HCQ because you must withhold potentially life-saving medical treatment from some people. So, a study like that risks killing people to prove HCQ works.Booray said:Lots of questions:Jacques Strap said:
Belgium
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423?via%3Dihub
Low-dose Hydroxychloroquine Therapy and Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: A Nationwide Observational Study of 8075 Participants
24 August 2020
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 2400 mg during 5 days was used in Belgium for COVID-19
Impact of HCQ on mortality among 8075 patients with COVID-19 was assessed
Lower mortality in HCQ-treated patients as compared to supportive care
Lower mortality is irrespective of symptoms duration
Conclusions
Compared to supportive care only, low-dose HCQ monotherapy was independently associated with lower mortality in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 diagnosed and treated early or later after symptom onset.
First, my understanding is that if HCQ is to be effective, it has to be used early. If the Belgian doctors were operating under the same understanding, the reason for not prescribing may have been that the disease had progressed past the expected usefulness of the HCQ. That would create an apples and oranges scenario between the prescribed and non-prescribed populations.
Second, and likewise, does the HCQ prescription represent a generally more advanced and aggressive overall therapy with more resources, also creating apples and oranges?
Third, what changes in mortality would result from placebo use?