All of this is not the fault of the LGBTQ that happily mutilate their genitals because they are confused or the ultra conservative boys that call them out for it. Both are wrong and not in line with the principles of Baylor. It is all about leadership, and we have none. Dr. Livingstone is a nice person, but she is a potted plant. Keep giving her some water and sunlight, and I have no doubt she can hang around for a long time.

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This thread has affirmed to me that the baylor family has a lot of preachy dudes who check out lesbian porn on the side.

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You truly are offensive to me.

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You should be more offended by hypocrites. They were at the top of jesus's **** list. Matthew chapter 23 for those of you with bibles.

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What does that have to do with me. You don't know anything about me. What I infer from you is that anyone that disagrees with you must have some deviant behavior of their own. Those were your words.

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What that has to do with you are where your offenses should be properly placed. Suppose you see me as a vile person. The tax collectors were the vile ones of Jesus' day. And yet his ire is directed 100 to 1 at the hypocrite religious people instead.

Now look at where modern fundies are waging their culture wars: on those undesirables with the most overt sins in their eyes. If jesus were speaking directly to America, he'd be pissed most of all at the hypocrite Franklin Grahams, the Robert Jeffresses, the Falwells, etc. And yet those are the people screaming loudest in these culture wars.

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I don't disagree with you. The Church is filled with hypocrites. I am one in my own way. I took your comments as if they were personal. You seemed to indicate that most of the readers here are infatuated with lesbian porn. That comment was completely and intentionally inflammatory. I just don't see what purpose it served when we are a community built around a love for a Fatih based school. We should be looking for a way to unite, not a way to divide.

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I can't speak for your personal internet search history but I guarandamntee you that the majority of these men casting stones at gay people have recently wanked to lesbo porn. If that's unfathomable to you then you're either really old or else keeping very good company in life.

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This thread has affirmed to me that the baylor family has a lot of preachy dudes who check out lesbian porn on the side.

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You truly are offensive to me.

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You should be more offended by hypocrites. They were at the top of jesus's **** list. Matthew chapter 23 for those of you with bibles.

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What does that have to do with me. You don't know anything about me. What I infer from you is that anyone that disagrees with you must have some deviant behavior of their own. Those were your words.

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What that has to do with you are where your offenses should be properly placed. Suppose you see me as a vile person. The tax collectors were the vile ones of Jesus' day. And yet his ire is directed 100 to 1 at the hypocrite religious people instead.

Now look at where modern fundies are waging their culture wars: on those undesirables with the most overt sins in their eyes. If jesus were speaking directly to America, he'd be pissed most of all at the hypocrite Franklin Grahams, the Robert Jeffresses, the Falwells, etc. And yet those are the people screaming loudest in these culture wars.

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I don't disagree with you. The Church is filled with hypocrites. I am one in my own way. I took your comments as if they were personal. You seemed to indicate that most of the readers here are infatuated with lesbian porn. That comment was completely and intentionally inflammatory. I just don't see what purpose it served when we are a community built around a love for a Fatih based school. We should be looking for a way to unite, not a way to divide.

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I can't speak for your personal internet search history but I guarandamntee you that the majority of these men casting stones at gay people have recently wanked to lesbo porn. If that's unfathomable to you then you're either really old or else keeping very good company in life.

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I'm 49 and I meant what I posted previously about porn. If more men had better relationships with their spouse, it would be much less of a problem.

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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No.

Going to hell is a little more severe than having a heart attack.

Plus, I don't believe being gay is a life choice.

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Sure it is. You cannot help what you are attracted to but you can decide not to act on it. I find tall red headed women attractive but I am happily married to someone that does not bear that description.

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You should go have an affair with a redhead. Be true to yourself, you can't help it. Follow your heart.

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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No.

Going to hell is a little more severe than having a heart attack.

Plus, I don't believe being gay is a life choice.

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Sure it is. You cannot help what you are attracted to but you can decide not to act on it. I find tall red headed women attractive but I am happily married to someone that does not bear that description.

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You should go have an affair with a redhead. Be true to yourself, you can't help it. Follow your heart.

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Try it one time see if its everything you thought it would be. Try some cocaine while youre at it.

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It does not matter, all you as a Christian are responsible for doing is loving them and trying to teach them that Jesus died for their sins and for them. You can teach (not preach) them the Christian word. If they take it great if they dont then it is theirs to answer.

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I'd take it a step further and argue that you shouldn't presume to know the status of or speak on the salvation/sin of anyone with whom you have no relationship. It's impossible to speak truth in love to someone with whom no basic foundation has been built. You're simply judging them under the guise of love, which goes against the teachings of Christ and is terribly damaging to one's testimony.

In re-reading the new testament, I was struck by the amount of time both Jesus and Paul spent telling early Christians to worry about their own damn selves and stop focusing on those they presume to be lost/sinners. The modern church would be well served to heed that advice. You'll attract more positive attention/win more souls by living and loving like Christ than you will jawing and judging like Pharisees.

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This is a good post, which I agree with for the most part.

That said, if we don't preach sin and its consequences, then we do a disservice to those we are telling about Jesus. That is, after all, the reason for his death.

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You can preach sin and its consequences ... after you've done the work of building those relationships I talk about. We, in this country, have a very unhealthy relationship with evangelism IMO. We want to tick boxes for Jesus without ever leaving our comfort zone, sacrificing anything or ever really loving anyone.

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Unfortunately, sometimes we don't have the time to "build relationships" before we tell others about grace. I've done it both ways, and seen it done both ways. I am not suggesting beat someone with a bible, but there are subtle ways to tell others about the consequences of sin without being condemning, It is, after all, the FULL gospel message, and not some watered-down version that won't take root.

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Changing your course of action is part of contrition and repentance.

Saying 'I'm sorry' then going back and doing it again is not following Christ.

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Most Christian porn consumers fall squarely in that category. They are habitual offenders. Why does the church treat them with grace and homosexuals with disdain?

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Your generalization hasn't been my experience. I have been a regular attender of several churches' celebrate recovery ministries for the past 10 years, and we have many people in recovery who struggle with all sorts of sexual addiction, whether it was pornography for me, or homosexuality for a few of my CR friends. While we certainly confess sin and hold each other accountable, grace abounds regardless of the sin.

Now, is there a difference between someone who struggles with viewing images and someone who actively engages in sexual intercourse with others, whether hetero or homo? Of course. The latter is much more risky, and can lead to more destructive consequences. But it is still sin nonetheless, just like mine.

I don't know if you're a follower of Christ or if so, what your experience has been, but I must say your characterizations certainly bear little resemblance to my experience.

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I would consider myself a (woeful) follower of Christ, but I'm not sure I'd identify as a Christian anymore. And it's my experience with the evangelical church and the lack of any discernible/observable impact American Christianity has had on most of its followers' actions that has led me to this low point in my faith journey.

I'm glad that your experience -- and that of your homosexual friends -- was marked by grace. That has not been my experience. While there have certainly been individuals I could point to who have been radically transformed by the holy spirit and found a way in this broken world to adhere to the greatest commandment, they've been an extreme minority. Most of the Christians I know (and I include myself here) are just as ****ed up and sin-bent as those lost souls they pray for. They just have a self-help seminar/country club to attend every Sunday.

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I am truly sorry your experience has been such a bad one. We all fall short of the glory of God, but I tell my friends and family who have let negative experiences with the church to impact their relationship with God to look at the light (Christ) instead of reflections of the light (his followers).

There are churches out there that do it right, and truly live out the gospel message. Nowdays, I think it's hard to find them among the traditional denominations, but a number of "bible" churches are growing greatly in numbers because I feel they are correct in their message.

And just for the record, I am sorry for my sometimes heated interactions with you.

Going to hell in the 21 century does not match up with 80% of Christians belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is tough guess
St the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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Going to hell in the 21 century does not match up with 80% of Christians belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is tough guess
St the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Where's the "and their friends" part?

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George Truett said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Where's the "and their friends" part?

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In your mind, quash. But on the other hand, you must be in great shape with all that ducking and twisting.

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George Truett said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Where's the "and their friends" part?

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In your mind, quash. But on the other hand, you must be in great shape with all that ducking and twisting.

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And you should feel convicted by the "slanderers" language.

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Going to hell in the 21 century does not match up with 80% of Christians belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is tough guess
St the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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Oh brother....

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Where's the "and their friends" part?

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In your mind, quash. But on the other hand, you must be in great shape with all that ducking and twisting.

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And you should feel convicted by the "slanderers" language.

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Nope, not guilty of that one. You, perhaps ...

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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Going to hell in the 21 century does not match up with 80% of Christians belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is tough guess
St the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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Oh brother....Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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No.

Going to hell is a little more severe than having a heart attack.

Plus, I don't believe being gay is a life choice.

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You are entitled to your opinion. But quoting Bible verses in context is not something a Christian-inspired university ought to disparage.

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Again, it's not the scripture quoting that's off base. It's taking the leap of pontificating about someone's Christianity.

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Jesus said "go and sin no more"

That's something you can't get around.

Yes, we all sin.

Yes, we all depend on God's grace through Christ.

But there is a vital difference between 'we all sin, and we will help you overcome this' and 'go ahead and do what you want, we all sin so it really does not matter'.

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Okay. But I'm sure you don't apply this standard to divorced and remarried people.

As I said earlier, Jesus said that if you divorce and remarry, you're guilty of adultery. Full stop.

So should we say to them to leave their new mates and "go and sin no more?" Because their new relationship is by definition adulterous.

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It does not matter, all you as a Christian are responsible for doing is loving them and trying to teach them that Jesus died for their sins and for them. You can teach (not preach) them the Christian word. If they take it great if they dont then it is theirs to answer.

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I'd take it a step further and argue that you shouldn't presume to know the status of or speak on the salvation/sin of anyone with whom you have no relationship. It's impossible to speak truth in love to someone with whom no basic foundation has been built. You're simply judging them under the guise of love, which goes against the teachings of Christ and is terribly damaging to one's testimony.

In re-reading the new testament, I was struck by the amount of time both Jesus and Paul spent telling early Christians to worry about their own damn selves and stop focusing on those they presume to be lost/sinners. The modern church would be well served to heed that advice. You'll attract more positive attention/win more souls by living and loving like Christ than you will jawing and judging like Pharisees.

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Amen!

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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No.

Going to hell is a little more severe than having a heart attack.

Plus, I don't believe being gay is a life choice.

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You are entitled to your opinion. But quoting Bible verses in context is not something a Christian-inspired university ought to disparage.

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Again, it's not the scripture quoting that's off base. It's taking the leap of pontificating about someone's Christianity.

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** sigh **

Jesus said "go and sin no more"

That's something you can't get around.

Yes, we all sin.

Yes, we all depend on God's grace through Christ.

But there is a vital difference between 'we all sin, and we will help you overcome this' and 'go ahead and do what you want, we all sin so it really does not matter'.

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Okay. But I'm sure you don't apply this standard to divorced and remarried people.

As I said earlier, Jesus said that if you divorce and remarry, you're guilty of adultery. Full stop.

So should we say to them to leave their new mates and "go and sin no more?" Because their new relationship is by definition adulterous.

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"Jesus said that if you divorce and remarry, you're guilty of adultery."

No, that's not correct. The reason someone divorces is the point. But I do agree that Jesus said if you look at someone who is not your spouse with lust in your heart, you commit adultery.

And yes, 'go and sin no more' applies to all of us. It's not a threat, it's loving advice.

Why can't the holy people live and let live?

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Why can't the holy people live and let live?

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You walk in the way of eternal death, we'd really like to prevent that.

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Why can't the holy people live and let live?

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Because God has us speak the truth about demons like YOU

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.

That's how this works. You're not god.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.

That's how this works. You're not god.

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Grace called she said "comply" is the opposite grace and love and forgiveness

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.

That's how this works. You're not god.

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Grace called she said "comply" is the opposite grace and love and forgiveness

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Christ called, said 'please tell Waco to stop changing what I said'.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.



That's how this works. You're not god.

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Grace called she said "comply" is the opposite grace and love and forgiveness

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Christ called, said 'please tell Waco to stop changing what I said'.

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What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God." 25 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be silent, and come out of him!" 26 And the unclean spirit, convulsing him and crying with a loud voice, came out of him.
And then Jesus said "Wsit!Wait! Do you believe in hell?"

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.

That's how this works. You're not god.

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Grace called she said "comply" is the opposite grace and love and forgiveness

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Christ called, said 'please tell Waco to stop changing what I said'.

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A leper came to him begging him, and kneeling hesaid to him, "If you choose, you can make me clean." 41 Moved with pity,Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, and said to him, "I do choose. Be made clean!" 42 Immediately the leprosy left him, and he was made clean. 43 After sternly warning him he sent him away at once, 44 saying to him, "See that you say nothing to anyone; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." 45 But he went out and began to proclaim it freely, and to spread the word, so that Jesus[t] could no longer go into a town openly,M Then Jesus suddenly thought "Wait wait! Do you believe in hell?""

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Going to hell in the 21st century does not match up with 80% of Christians disciples belief. It was always a scare tactic. 80% is rough guess
At the last moment of life as we cross over to death it's all grace.

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No surprise, Waco does not believe the Bible.
Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us

---

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God is not mocked.This not mocking --Grace and God's Love is always the Bible's last word for us Every Word is true.

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You tear out the warnings from Christ himself about hell. That is not love.

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Christ's command is love
But tell me about his hell warnings
He sounds terrible mean. God creates us then damns is to hell. What kind of God is that?

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He created you so you have to comply with everything you disagree with him on.



That's how this works. You're not god.

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Grace called she said "comply" is the opposite grace and love and forgiveness

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Christ called, said 'please tell Waco to stop changing what I said'.

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What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God." 25 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be silent, and come out of him!" 26 And the unclean spirit, convulsing him and crying with a loud voice, came out of him.
And then Jesus said "Wsit!Wait! Do you believe in hell?"

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Matthew 5:29-30

"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell."

Matthew 13:41-42

"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Do not mock God, nor pervert Scripture.