Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

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Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

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It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

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Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

chriscbear said:

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My wife worked in the County Clerks office for 37 years and they worked elections every 2 years. When it comes to provisional or absentee ballots, they have to be in the County Clerks Office by election day, Nov 3rd, not Nov 4th or Nov 5th or Nov 6th. Under state law those ballots that arrive after Nov 3rd are not valid and should not be counted. I hope Scottus has the stones to those them out but we will see.

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First, we have no idea whether late arriving ballots mean anything. They haven't been counted yet because at the earliest they got here today.

Second. "under state law they have to be here on election day" is true in some states and not others. Many states have laws that allow for late arriving ballots. Until this year, the GOP liked that because the bulk of late arrivers were military ballots.

Third, many states that had the law you described this year extended the deadline based on Covid and mail problems. You can argue whether that was a good decision or not, but the policy is irrelevant. The real questions are whether the extension was constitutional and, if not, what the right remedy is.

The constitution gives the various state legislatures the right to enact the laws governing this sort of thing. The GOP has been arguing that unless it is actually a legal amendment--as opposed to an extension granted by a court or state election office--that the act is unconstitutional.

There are a couple of problems with that argument, but the GOP won some (Tex) and lost some (N.C.) and punted on some (Pa.). The states then held the election based on the Court's rulings. The Court is going to be hard pressed to throw out votes that met the guidelines it already issued; the voter gets penalized for voting in a way that eh state said was ok and the Court approved.

As to Pa., that last cause is an oversimplification, but I don't have time to write out the whole thing.

Bottom line though is that it is not nearly as simple as you would like to make it.

Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

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Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

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It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

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Going off topic, but FWIW I would argue that our imperialist policies are less a product of capitalism than of certain capitalists' belief in the need for a constantly expanding market, which ironically enough is a Marxist fallacy.

bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

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And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

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Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

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Marxism is on the rise. It ain't slowing down.

wuzzybear said:

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I am not worried. Guiliani and his hit men will tear this s-h-i-t wide open. Every LEGAL vote should be counted. What is legal? This is going to SCOTUS. Trump is never going to leave the WH until solved. We are in for a constitutional crisis, but Trump has nothing to lose at this point.

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Hopefully he will think about what the country has to lose and not just about himself. That said, a needless constitutional crisis would certainly harm his legacy as well.

ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

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And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

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And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

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How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

Peters just took the lead from James in the Michigan senate race. If that holds and if Perdue doesn't stay above 50% in Georgia, there is going to be a blizzard of money spent in that state over the next two months.

My guess is that it holds but so does Perdue. Even if Perdue has to go to a runoff, he would likely win. But interesting nonetheless.

Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

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Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

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wuzzybear said:

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I am sick and tired of some of you who cannot understand HOW FAR the D's are willing to go to steal this election. It just proves the theory that if you tell a lie long enough and keep repeating it you will start to believe it. NOBODY has been declared the winner yet so it ain't over til it is official. This is going well into December.

Every mail in ballot needs to be checked out in detail with full verification. NV, MI, and WI all have Dem governors. This also F's up John James senate seat in MI. The Donald still has a path no matter how narrow it may be. If this is the most important election in history then you all should be all for litigation.

First election in history where ballots just show up after election day. That should tell you something. I do know one thing: Trump is NEVER leaving til it is proven by his own attys that indeed Biden is the winner.

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Cope...

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So this means you are in favor of this going to SCOTUS...right? You know damn well Dem's did all Jim Crowe Joe's dirty work and it will be discovered...just a matter of time.

Sam Lowry said:

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wuzzybear said:

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I am not worried. Guiliani and his hit men will tear this s-h-i-t wide open. Every LEGAL vote should be counted. What is legal? This is going to SCOTUS. Trump is never going to leave the WH until solved. We are in for a constitutional crisis, but Trump has nothing to lose at this point.

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Hopefully he will think about what the country has to lose and not just about himself. That said, a needless constitutional crisis would certainly harm his legacy as well.

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Doesn't matter. It has to be right. There are way too many cooincidences here with all these blue states. If FL and TX can get it right why can't PA, NV, MI and WI...all D govs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

Booray said:

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chriscbear said:

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My wife worked in the County Clerks office for 37 years and they worked elections every 2 years. When it comes to provisional or absentee ballots, they have to be in the County Clerks Office by election day, Nov 3rd, not Nov 4th or Nov 5th or Nov 6th. Under state law those ballots that arrive after Nov 3rd are not valid and should not be counted. I hope Scottus has the stones to those them out but we will see.

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First, we have no idea whether late arriving ballots mean anything. They haven't been counted yet because at the earliest they got here today.

Second. "under state law they have to be here on election day" is true in some states and not others. Many states have laws that allow for late arriving ballots. Until this year, the GOP liked that because the bulk of late arrivers were military ballots.

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Yep. In 2000 it was the Democrats trying to stop late-arriving ballots in the Florida panhandle, which were thought to be military voters (who were believed to be overwhelmingly for GWB).

It's a bad look when one side tries to invalidate state law solely to help it's chances. It was bad in 2000. It's bad now.

Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

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But China is one party rule with 1984 tactics. They break into people's apartments with no process and remove them. They have slave camps and extreme state media propaganda.

How would you prevent that, or do you want it?

Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

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Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

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Socialism with Chinese characteristics

Socialism with American characteristics

Lol, we'll get there one day. We'll probably all be dead though so I'm not worried, it's just a pipe dream.

fubar said:

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Booray said:

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chriscbear said:

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My wife worked in the County Clerks office for 37 years and they worked elections every 2 years. When it comes to provisional or absentee ballots, they have to be in the County Clerks Office by election day, Nov 3rd, not Nov 4th or Nov 5th or Nov 6th. Under state law those ballots that arrive after Nov 3rd are not valid and should not be counted. I hope Scottus has the stones to those them out but we will see.

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First, we have no idea whether late arriving ballots mean anything. They haven't been counted yet because at the earliest they got here today.

Second. "under state law they have to be here on election day" is true in some states and not others. Many states have laws that allow for late arriving ballots. Until this year, the GOP liked that because the bulk of late arrivers were military ballots.

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Yep. In 2000 it was the Democrats trying to stop late-arriving ballots in the Florida panhandle, which were thought to be military voters (who were believed to be overwhelmingly for GWB).

It's a bad look when one side tries to invalidate state law solely to help it's chances. It was bad in 2000. It's bad now.

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Agreed

Legitimate votes following the rules of a specific state should be counted .

Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

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But at least they're a beacon of light for human rights

Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

But China is one party rule with 1984 tactics. They break into people's apartments with no process and remove them. They have slave camps and extreme state media propaganda.

How would you prevent that, or do you want it?

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I think you and I get our news about China from very different people so I'm not going to have the conversation with you. I know people in mainland China whom I can talk to and they tell me the actual news, you probably get your stories from someone like Adrian Zenz.

Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

---

Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

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Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

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And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

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And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

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How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

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Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

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Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

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Socialism with Chinese characteristics

Socialism with American characteristics

Lol, we'll get there one day. We'll probably all be dead though so I'm not worried, it's just a pipe dream.

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If you're arguing for socialism, that's quite different from communism. I thought you said you were communist.

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I am not worried. Guiliani and his hit men will tear this s-h-i-t wide open. Every LEGAL vote should be counted. What is legal? This is going to SCOTUS. Trump is never going to leave the WH until solved. We are in for a constitutional crisis, but Trump has nothing to lose at this point.

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Hopefully he will think about what the country has to lose and not just about himself. That said, a needless constitutional crisis would certainly harm his legacy as well.

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Doesn't matter. It has to be right. There are way too many cooincidences here with all these blue states. If FL and TX can get it right why can't PA, NV, MI and WI...all D govs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wuzzy, understand this.

All this late counting of mail-in ballots in the Blue Wall states was by the design of the Republicans that controlled the state legislatures. The clerks could not start counting until yesterday because that is state law. Everyone knew that there would be a huge increase in mail-in ballots and that mail in ballots take much longer to process. Many states either had on their books or changed the law to allow clerks to start early.

The Blue Wall GOPs refused to do this. Their strategy all along has been to try and keep these votes from being counted; they figured that their late counting would allow them to segregate and isolate the "problem." You hare being scammed, my man.

Trump has been pumping this narrative for months. He needed the segregation of the ballots that I explained for it to make sense. The Blue Wall GOPs gave it to him.

There were plenty of states were Biden jumped out to a big lead and Trump caught him. Why? Because in those states the mail-ins and early votes were counted first, rather than last.

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Wait till Scotus throws out late arriving mail in ballots in Pennsylvania. If that happens and Trump wins Arizona which looks like it could happen, the left will lose their minds. It would be great

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Trump has to win Pennsylvania, AZ, GA and NC. If so he wins.

Calling AZ is certainly pre-mature. I look forward to them starting the count there again. Not sure what is going on there.

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

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Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

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It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

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Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

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And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

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And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

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How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

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Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

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But China is one party rule with 1984 tactics. They break into people's apartments with no process and remove them. They have slave camps and extreme state media propaganda.

How would you prevent that, or do you want it?

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I think you and I get our news about China from very different people so I'm not going to have the conversation with you. I know people in mainland China whom I can talk to and they tell me the actual news, you probably get your stories from someone like Adrian Zenz.

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They have social credit scores and have imprisoned in "re-education camps" more than 1 million Uighur Muslims. These are facts.

I mean cmon bro...

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

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Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

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It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

---

Socialism with Chinese characteristics

Socialism with American characteristics

Lol, we'll get there one day. We'll probably all be dead though so I'm not worried, it's just a pipe dream.

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If you're arguing for socialism, that's quite different from communism. I thought you said you were communist.

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Communism is the final form of socialism. Socialism is the intermediate stage before true Communism is achieved.

wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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wuzzybear said:

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I am not worried. Guiliani and his hit men will tear this s-h-i-t wide open. Every LEGAL vote should be counted. What is legal? This is going to SCOTUS. Trump is never going to leave the WH until solved. We are in for a constitutional crisis, but Trump has nothing to lose at this point.

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Hopefully he will think about what the country has to lose and not just about himself. That said, a needless constitutional crisis would certainly harm his legacy as well.

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Doesn't matter. It has to be right. There are way too many cooincidences here with all these blue states. If FL and TX can get it right why can't PA, NV, MI and WI...all D govs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Pennsylvania declared a winner before a single vote was ever counted.

wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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wuzzybear said:

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I am not worried. Guiliani and his hit men will tear this s-h-i-t wide open. Every LEGAL vote should be counted. What is legal? This is going to SCOTUS. Trump is never going to leave the WH until solved. We are in for a constitutional crisis, but Trump has nothing to lose at this point.

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Hopefully he will think about what the country has to lose and not just about himself. That said, a needless constitutional crisis would certainly harm his legacy as well.

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Doesn't matter. It has to be right. There are way too many cooincidences here with all these blue states. If FL and TX can get it right why can't PA, NV, MI and WI...all D govs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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There's no need for a crisis so long as Trump abides by the decisions of the courts.

Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

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Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

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No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

But China is one party rule with 1984 tactics. They break into people's apartments with no process and remove them. They have slave camps and extreme state media propaganda.

How would you prevent that, or do you want it?

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I think you and I get our news about China from very different people so I'm not going to have the conversation with you. I know people in mainland China whom I can talk to and they tell me the actual news, you probably get your stories from someone like Adrian Zenz.

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As long as we are talking personal anecdotes, instead of what reputable organizations like Amnesty International say about China (https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china), my info is quite different.

We help support missionaries to China, and the persecution of religious groups in the country is very real. The particular pastor we help support has been imprisoned and beaten on numerous occasions. The last such beating came within an inch of his life. He spent 4 months in a British hospital as a result.

Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

---

And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

---

How do you compete with market driven economic choices versus centralization?

Do you want bureaucrats deciding who gets what and when?

---

Look to China, central planning is only needed when a country or an economy is building or coming back from the brink of collapse(Vietnam after their war with us).

Central planning is an outdated idea and not viable now.

---

Can't point to China. While it's govt. has all the markings of a communist regime (totalitarianism, abridgement of personal freedoms, squelching of free speech), its economic system is much more capitalist in nature which, ironically, has led to its rise as a world power. The difference is, the oligarchs in China control the money. That is of course the opposite of a communist economic system.

---

Socialism with Chinese characteristics

Socialism with American characteristics

Lol, we'll get there one day. We'll probably all be dead though so I'm not worried, it's just a pipe dream.

---

If you're arguing for socialism, that's quite different from communism. I thought you said you were communist.

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Communism is the final form of socialism. Socialism is the intermediate stage before true Communism is achieved.

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I don't disagree that communism is further down the spectrum than socialism, but they are still quite different. No country has ever successfully practiced true communism - not even the Soviet Union, which came closest. It simply isn't a workable form of govt., as we've seen from the countless countries that have tried it.

Ironically, the only "communist" countries that have had any form of economic success have done so by moving toward capitalism rather than communism. See Vietnam, China. The Soviet Union tried it with Perestroika, before its eventual collapse.

Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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But China is one party rule with 1984 tactics. They break into people's apartments with no process and remove them. They have slave camps and extreme state media propaganda.

How would you prevent that, or do you want it?

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I think you and I get our news about China from very different people so I'm not going to have the conversation with you. I know people in mainland China whom I can talk to and they tell me the actual news, you probably get your stories from someone like Adrian Zenz.

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You're not the only person to know people in China. If you don't know about the Chinese moral police, or the roundup of political dissidents, or the mass "re-education" of Muslims, or its censorship of anything approaching free speech, you're severely misinformed, probably by people overseas that aren't about to criticize their government on the phone or by email and get "re-educated" themselves.

Shippou said:

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ATL Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Shippou said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Shippou said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Trump has already received 6 million more votes than he got in 2016.

And no one is accusing Republicans of mail-in voting fraud.

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Okay? The electoral process is suppose to be fair, it'd be nice if nobody accused the other side of fraud just because results aren't going their way.

---

Aren't you in favor of communism with a massive centralized state?

---

Cope.

My wants have nothing to do with your bourgeois election playing out in real time.

---

It shocks me that anyone could still consider communism a viable form of govt. given the havoc and death it has wrought for the last 100 years.

You're a smart poster. This is just a bit, right?

---

No offense, but do you see the things capitalism and US Imperialism do throughout the global south since this country was founded??

I can't stand by while US Imperialism is the law of the land(globe), that goes for both parties, they're all equally guilty of it.

---

Imperialism isn't unique to the US or capitalist nations, though. One can condemn imperialism and its destructive effects on the world without adopting a romanticized view of Marxism/Leninism.

---

And if we're being honest about history, the Soviet Union was one of the most imperialist nations ever and certainly the boldest in the 20th century.

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And that's why the Soviets are a failed state my friend.

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They wouldn't have survived as long without it actually.

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I don't disagree that communism is further down the spectrum than socialism, but they are still quite different. No country has ever successfully practiced true communism - not even the Soviet Union, which came closest. It simply isn't a workable form of govt., as we've seen from the countless countries that have tried it.

Ironically, the only "communist" countries that have had any form of economic success have done so by moving toward capitalism rather than communism. See Vietnam, China. The Soviet Union tried it with Perestroika, before its eventual collapse.

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Most communism was sold to its people as an avenue from capitalism towards socialism, not the other direction. As it turns out, giving leaders authoritarian power to transform their people doesn't always work out the way the people want it to. But yes, the most successful "communist" countries have had elements of a free market. Actual communism is a disaster 100% of the time, either economically, or morally (have to kill millions of your own people to keep it going).

Just a batch of 23k votes pop up, all for Biden. Seems legit.

There isn't a single Republican who supports unsolicted mail-in ballots or non-notarized absentee ballots!

Another anomaly: how Biden keeps adding an extra 100K votes out of urban areas in swing states that are not voting at all in the Senate race, an anomaly we generally are not seeing in neighboring states. Almost as if 100K swing state voters just vote for Biden, but no one else?

You can fill ballots out faster that way... say, over night