I'm reserving judgment. However, I don't believe Democrats have to worry about moderate legislators as much as Republicans do. Dems know how to get together and get things done.Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
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Agree the Senate - if the Repubs retain it - will make it harder to get stuff passed. But I do not share your optimism that he will abandon the liberal portions of his platform, and quite frankly think it's foolish to assume as such. The liberals are going to expect something from him and I expect he will placate them based on his policy positions.Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
We will see, but there is plenty to be concerned about if you are a right leaning moderate. Plenty. Let's see what he does with executive orders.
Yep.BaylorOkie said:
I hope Biden serves his full term. He's my president and I respect that. I do think we see some cognitive decline that has occurred over the past 4 years, but I believe he is competent to serve as president right now. I pray for him to remain healthy and to serve well.
I would hope after 4 years that is enough for him. We do not need an 86 year old president.
The one Senator from WV has already said he will refuse to vote for the crazy **** the progressives have on the docket. We will see.Sam Lowry said:I'm reserving judgment. However, I don't believe Democrats have to worry about moderate legislators as much as Republicans do. Dems know how to get together and get things done.Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Still don't understand the adversarial tone from total strangers. Civility is pretty much dead in this country. It appears to me it is not a Trump thing. My opinion is no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. I may be right or I may be wrong. Either result does not make you or me a winner or loser.jdkingbear said:
Predictions are a dime a dozen. Yours has even less value. There is only 3 years difference between Joe Biden and the petulant little boy trapped in a bloating, aging body we have in the White House now. And Joe Biden is in helluva better shape than Chump is. Will Biden make it through 4 years of a presidency? Will you? No one knows. I know this - we fired that SOB who is in there now. You might say that America decided to MAGA by getting rid of the ONE THING that was holding us back - Donald John Chump.
I do not wish bad things for Biden. I will actually be pulling for him. He and a razor thin Republican controlled Senate (or maybe not) will be only thing between us and Socialism.
You've just been wrong on nearly all your predictions this year guy. Maybe take a breath and stop getting egg on your face every few weeks.
Trump voter.
I think Biden finishes a single term.
Harris runs in 2024.
The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
This is not about me being right or wrong. It does not matter. Hypothetically speaking, will you feel cheated if Biden abruptly steps down? Will you be surprised?BearTruth13 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Still don't understand the adversarial tone from total strangers. Civility is pretty much dead in this country. It appears to me it is not a Trump thing. My opinion is no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. I may be right or I may be wrong. Either result does not make you or me a winner or loser.jdkingbear said:
Predictions are a dime a dozen. Yours has even less value. There is only 3 years difference between Joe Biden and the petulant little boy trapped in a bloating, aging body we have in the White House now. And Joe Biden is in helluva better shape than Chump is. Will Biden make it through 4 years of a presidency? Will you? No one knows. I know this - we fired that SOB who is in there now. You might say that America decided to MAGA by getting rid of the ONE THING that was holding us back - Donald John Chump.
I do not wish bad things for Biden. I will actually be pulling for him. He and a razor thin Republican controlled Senate (or maybe not) will be only thing between us and Socialism.
You've just been wrong on nearly all your predictions this year guy. Maybe take a breath and stop getting egg on your face every few weeks.
Trump voter.
I think Biden finishes a single term.
Harris runs in 2024.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Why would I feel cheated? I didn't vote for the guy.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:This is not about me being right or wrong. It does not matter. Hypothetically speaking, will you feel cheated if Biden abruptly steps down? Will you be surprised?BearTruth13 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Still don't understand the adversarial tone from total strangers. Civility is pretty much dead in this country. It appears to me it is not a Trump thing. My opinion is no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. I may be right or I may be wrong. Either result does not make you or me a winner or loser.jdkingbear said:
Predictions are a dime a dozen. Yours has even less value. There is only 3 years difference between Joe Biden and the petulant little boy trapped in a bloating, aging body we have in the White House now. And Joe Biden is in helluva better shape than Chump is. Will Biden make it through 4 years of a presidency? Will you? No one knows. I know this - we fired that SOB who is in there now. You might say that America decided to MAGA by getting rid of the ONE THING that was holding us back - Donald John Chump.
I do not wish bad things for Biden. I will actually be pulling for him. He and a razor thin Republican controlled Senate (or maybe not) will be only thing between us and Socialism.
You've just been wrong on nearly all your predictions this year guy. Maybe take a breath and stop getting egg on your face every few weeks.
Trump voter.
I think Biden finishes a single term.
Harris runs in 2024.
Regardless, it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Life expectancy for men in the US is 76. Trump is 74 and Biden is 78. Statistically, there is a chance that neither are here in 4 years.
That being said, the last 5 presidents to pass away lived an average 91 years. I can only assume because they have great health care. Who know what happens. Biden has clearly lost a step in the last 4 years. We'll see how he fairs. We kept expecting him to fall apart in the primaries, then the debates and then withdraw before the election. None of that happened.
Reagan likely had significant mental decline during his second term. Woodrow Wilson's wife effectively ran the country after Woodrow's stroke. Will that happen in 2023? Perhaps. By 6/1/2021? Probably not.
Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
More concerning is the push to get a $15 minimum wage. I don't think he could ram that through via EO but if he is able to, lots of businesses are going to suffer.Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Good post, BearTruth. Agree with you on Reagan being impaired in his second term. The good thing is he had great people around him so most didn't even know about his issues until he was out of office. It is the people around Biden that concern me the most.BearTruth13 said:Why would I feel cheated? I didn't vote for the guy.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:This is not about me being right or wrong. It does not matter. Hypothetically speaking, will you feel cheated if Biden abruptly steps down? Will you be surprised?BearTruth13 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Still don't understand the adversarial tone from total strangers. Civility is pretty much dead in this country. It appears to me it is not a Trump thing. My opinion is no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. I may be right or I may be wrong. Either result does not make you or me a winner or loser.jdkingbear said:
Predictions are a dime a dozen. Yours has even less value. There is only 3 years difference between Joe Biden and the petulant little boy trapped in a bloating, aging body we have in the White House now. And Joe Biden is in helluva better shape than Chump is. Will Biden make it through 4 years of a presidency? Will you? No one knows. I know this - we fired that SOB who is in there now. You might say that America decided to MAGA by getting rid of the ONE THING that was holding us back - Donald John Chump.
I do not wish bad things for Biden. I will actually be pulling for him. He and a razor thin Republican controlled Senate (or maybe not) will be only thing between us and Socialism.
You've just been wrong on nearly all your predictions this year guy. Maybe take a breath and stop getting egg on your face every few weeks.
Trump voter.
I think Biden finishes a single term.
Harris runs in 2024.
Regardless, it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Life expectancy for men in the US is 76. Trump is 74 and Biden is 78. Statistically, there is a chance that neither are here in 4 years.
That being said, the last 5 presidents to pass away lived an average 91 years. I can only assume because they have great health care. Who know what happens. Biden has clearly lost a step in the last 4 years. We'll see how he fairs. We kept expecting him to fall apart in the primaries, then the debates and then withdraw before the election. None of that happened.
Reagan likely had significant mental decline during his second term. Woodrow Wilson's wife effectively ran the country after Woodrow's stroke. Will that happen in 2023? Perhaps. By 6/1/2021? Probably not.
I am pulling for Biden. I hope he has the strength and will to fight off the agenda of Extreme Regressive Left and can do it for four years. We shall see.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Mothra said:More concerning is the push to get a $15 minimum wage. I don't think he could ram that through via EO but if he is able to, lots of businesses are going to suffer.Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
The minimum wage could stand an increase but doubling it would be quite a shock. Wherever it gets set, they should index it to inflation and then forget about it.
Just set the minimum wage at $1,000 per hour. Poverty solved.Booray said:Mothra said:More concerning is the push to get a $15 minimum wage. I don't think he could ram that through via EO but if he is able to, lots of businesses are going to suffer.Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
The minimum wage could stand an increase but doubling it would be quite a shock. Wherever it gets set, they should index it to inflation and then forget about it.
So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you do is piss and moan.
Because I don't want to lose it.Booray said:You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you to is piss and moan.
It's called CONSERVatism.
Then I guess you would have been a loyalist in 1776. Progress means changes to the status quo.Doc Holliday said:Because I don't want to lose it.Booray said:You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you to is piss and moan.
It's called CONSERVatism.
People having been making your argument in this country for 245 years.
Against a consolidated government. Against a centralized banking system. Against freeing the slaves. Against an income tax. Against fair labor and work safety laws. Against allowing labor to organize. Against the women's vote. Against social security. Against integration. Against Medicare. Against Voting Rights. Against gay marriage.
All of those were somehow going to be the end of our society. Your intellectual predecessors were wrong every single time.
Somehow, we have achieved everything I listed as we grew more liberal through the years.
You must be misframing his argument since some of those--against freeing the slaves and against integration--were positions held by your political party not his.Booray said:Then I guess you would have been a loyalist in 1776. Progress means changes to the status quo.Doc Holliday said:Because I don't want to lose it.Booray said:You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you to is piss and moan.
It's called CONSERVatism.
People having been making your argument in this country for 245 years.
Against a consolidated government. Against a centralized banking system. Against freeing the slaves. Against an income tax. Against fair labor and work safety laws. Against allowing labor to organize. Against the women's vote. Against social security. Against integration. Against Medicare. Against Voting Rights. Against gay marriage.
All of those were somehow going to be the end of our society. Your intellectual predecessors were wrong every single time.
Somehow, we have achieved everything I listed as we grew more liberal through the years.
First task is end the Pandemic and restore the Economy. If that is done in 2021, Dems will have leverage to move on to other things on their agenda. Failure to do that, not much else will be accomplished.OsoCoreyell said:I agree, because the Senate will remain in Republican hands, and because Biden is starting out hard left, there is a very real possibility that the Dems lose the House in the mid-term elections in 2022.TWD 74 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
When Joe Biden is removed from office by the Democratic Party (I predict around 6/1/2021), how will you feel? Will you be shocked? Betrayed? Angry? Will you have buyer's remorse concerning your 2020 Election vote? I am fascinated to see how many here will fall into the "I am shocked and never saw this coming" category.
Biden will be removed by his own party either through the 25th amendment or will be forced to resign due to proof of his past misdeeds, but the reason given in his resignation speech will be "health reasons."
I would point out that all of the dire predictions from conservatives for the next 4 years, do not come close to the calamity the Liberals predicted at this time 4 years ago. I am reminded of what Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Jordan said about the pending Reagan Administration in 1980: "The Republic will survive."
I'll give the Dem's one piece of free advice - Get control of the "protests" (read: riots) in the cities ASAP and you can probably make a contest of it. Nothing killed Democratic votes like the riots and and "Defund the Police." No one thinks "The Republic will survive" if the cities are literally not in the control of the civil authorities, and people will vote against that nonsense.
Agree with the protests with one caveat. Biden must present a firm position that peaceful protest is fully acceptable, violence is fully not. Real problem is not with Democrats and Republicans in my view. The extreme left and right are more interested in pushing a more violent agenda than anything else. Both parties should join together to reject violence. Democrats are burdened with what to do with the young progressives: BLM, et. al. This summer was an epic fail. After the death of Floyd there was a national interest in working to solve the problem. The initial violence in the streets was bad enough, but the continued protest and accompanying violence for weeks on end destroyed any message they are were trying to communicate. Not sure they get that.
Based on the life expectancy in the late 18th. Century, George Washington should have been dead 25 years on the day he took office.Booray said:He has. Which has very little to do with predicting how long he will live from this point forward, which was the question.Carlos Safety said:I think Joe has already exceeded the life expectancy of a male who was born in 1944.Booray said:What other method would you use. Saying American male life expectancy is 78 years old related to a prediction for a person is a prediction for a male newborn, not Joe Biden.Mothra said:Depends on the method used. I agree under an actuary life table, he should have a number of years left.Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
Yet you're the privileged one telling me I have it good because of progress and that same progress has made my life financially harder than your generation.Booray said:Then I guess you would have been a loyalist in 1776. Progress means changes to the status quo.Doc Holliday said:Because I don't want to lose it.Booray said:You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you to is piss and moan.
It's called CONSERVatism.
People having been making your argument in this country for 245 years.
Against a consolidated government. Against a centralized banking system. Against freeing the slaves. Against an income tax. Against fair labor and work safety laws. Against allowing labor to organize. Against the women's vote. Against social security. Against integration. Against Medicare. Against Voting Rights. Against gay marriage.
All of those were somehow going to be the end of our society. Your intellectual predecessors were wrong every single time.
Somehow, we have achieved everything I listed as we grew more liberal through the years.
Healthcare, housing and education are five times more expensive than they were for my parents and your generation. There are fewer steady jobs. Wages have stagnated since the 1970s. Don't believe me? NPR says so: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/07/576301190/millennials-and-the-economy
Can you admit some changes to the status quo are bad?
Your glass is always half empty.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
No I'm always concerned it will become half empty, because it's been that way for me at times.quash said:
Your glass is always half empty.
Doc Holliday said:Yet you're the privileged one telling me I have it good because of progress and that same progress has made my life financially harder than your generation.Booray said:Then I guess you would have been a loyalist in 1776. Progress means changes to the status quo.Doc Holliday said:Because I don't want to lose it.Booray said:You live in the most comfortable society in the history of the world. Of the billions of people who have ever lived, you have more and better food, water, transportation, education, entertainment, security and opportunity than almost all of them. Our infrastructure is pretty good.Doc Holliday said:The infrastructure the government provides is poor in quality and wasteful.Booray said:The why not a 5% rate? I carefully placed the word "overly" in my response.Doc Holliday said:So does 28%.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:Ok so why not a 40% corporate tax rate?Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Because that overly disincentives investment and places US companies on an uneven playing field vs. their competitors.
Government provides the infrastructure from which it is possible for companies to operate. It has to be funded via taxes. Striking a balance between that need and making sure that companies have incentive to grow and keep their cash here is not easy. There is a range of rational rates. Your 40% and my 5% are outside that range. 21%-28% are within that range.
We could probably handle 15% if bureaucracy would do their damn jobs and be frugal. Then we'd all be wealthier.
And all you to is piss and moan.
It's called CONSERVatism.
People having been making your argument in this country for 245 years.
Against a consolidated government. Against a centralized banking system. Against freeing the slaves. Against an income tax. Against fair labor and work safety laws. Against allowing labor to organize. Against the women's vote. Against social security. Against integration. Against Medicare. Against Voting Rights. Against gay marriage.
All of those were somehow going to be the end of our society. Your intellectual predecessors were wrong every single time.
Somehow, we have achieved everything I listed as we grew more liberal through the years.
Healthcare, housing and education are five times more expensive than they were for my parents and your generation. There are fewer steady jobs. Wages have stagnated since the 1970s. Don't believe me? NPR says so: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/07/576301190/millennials-and-the-economy
Can you admit some changes to the status quo are bad?
NPR didn't say that. Some guy who advocates for millennials said that.
Porteroso said:They're not all moderates, but he's already got AOC in a rage. She's tweeting that he's hurting the progressive movement with his picks. She's mad, and it's because he's not giving in to partisan politics and extremism, he's trying to unify the country.Mothra said:
His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.
As an aside topic, I find it hilarious that the very politicians who are the loudest in protesting racial injustice, or protesting that there is no racial injustice, are the very ones seeking to divide the country.
You can put Trump and AOC on opposite ends of the spectrum of politics, but they're very similar in their goals. Win at all costs, even if it ruins the country.
This is the most truly ****ed up thinking I've seen on this board
Hall of Fame ignorance in Port's post above
It must be painful living with his brain. Must be medicated!
Doc Holliday said:How is Joe Biden going to unite the country when he wants to take cash out of the hands of the middle class?Porteroso said:They're not all moderates, but he's already got AOC in a rage. She's tweeting that he's hurting the progressive movement with his picks. She's mad, and it's because he's not giving in to partisan politics and extremism, he's trying to unify the country.Mothra said:
His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.
As an aside topic, I find it hilarious that the very politicians who are the loudest in protesting racial injustice, or protesting that there is no racial injustice, are the very ones seeking to divide the country.
You can put Trump and AOC on opposite ends of the spectrum of politics, but they're very similar in their goals. Win at all costs, even if it ruins the country.
He's hostile to small businesses and favorable to megacorps.
Doc this board is now infested with the ignorant left
Oldbear83 said:That would be seriously bad for the nationDoc Holliday said:The senate is going to flip.Booray said:Would you just chill out? When the man proposes legislation, issues an executive order or nominates someone to serve, comment on the merits of his action. Until then, you will get more sleep if you quit worrying incessantly that Joe Biden is Karl Marx in disguise.Doc Holliday said:How is Joe Biden going to unite the country when he wants to take cash out of the hands of the middle class?Porteroso said:They're not all moderates, but he's already got AOC in a rage. She's tweeting that he's hurting the progressive movement with his picks. She's mad, and it's because he's not giving in to partisan politics and extremism, he's trying to unify the country.Mothra said:
His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.
As an aside topic, I find it hilarious that the very politicians who are the loudest in protesting racial injustice, or protesting that there is no racial injustice, are the very ones seeking to divide the country.
You can put Trump and AOC on opposite ends of the spectrum of politics, but they're very similar in their goals. Win at all costs, even if it ruins the country.
He's hostile to small businesses and favorable to megacorps.
No **** Sherlock
That's why I talk to the vermin here like I do
Vermin is fine with a democrat Senate
Mothra said:More concerning is the push to get a $15 minimum wage. I don't think he could ram that through via EO but if he is able to, lots of businesses are going to suffer.Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Mothra, businesses are already vanishing daily because of the democrats COVID regs
Democrats are poison to small business! No one started new businesses during obama, no one! People forget that but now it'll return again
Florda_mike said:
No one started new businesses during obama, no one!
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Florda_mike said:Mothra said:More concerning is the push to get a $15 minimum wage. I don't think he could ram that through via EO but if he is able to, lots of businesses are going to suffer.Booray said:Business is going to try to keep and increase tis profit by maximizing prices and minimizing labor coasts regardless of the corporate tax rate. The tax code affects business behavior, but not in the ways you suggest.Doc Holliday said:The senate will flip:Booray said:Why are they concerns? I don't know anything about either of them.Mothra said:Serving as underlings in the Obama admin does not mean they were moderates. Alejandro Mayorkas for Homeland Security and Jake Sullivan are two concerns. There is talk he is looking seriously at appointing Sanders as Labor Secretary as well.Booray said:Most of the ones I saw last night served in the Obama administration. If they are left of the Obama administration, there must be some evidence that those people have changed their views. I am not well-versed with them to know that. Do you have examples?Mothra said:His cabinet picks are certainly not all moderates. We will see if he can hold back the Sanders and AOC crowd (throw in Harris as well), but if his stated policies on his campaign website are any indication, this is an administration that has definitely moved pretty far to the left of Obama.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:What about with OBVIOUS cognitive issues?Booray said:Mothra said:Booray said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yes, I did not think that Biden would participate in any debates. I was wrong. I never once said I did not think Biden would be on the ballot. This post is not about who is right or wrong. It just poses a "what if" question.PartyBear said:
Why havent you asked how we feel about Biden not making it to the debates or Biden not even being on the ballot in the 20 election first?
Not a single direct response to the original question. It sounds like it is 100 percent unanimous that Joe Biden well not be stepping down in 2021 from all of those that voted for him. Interesting.
Joe Biden will finish his term.
Average life expectancy for men is 78.54 years in this country, so at 78 to begin his term, chances are not on his side.
The life expectancy of a 78-year old man is 9.37 years. So chances are on his side.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
While he is not as sharp as he once was, he also does not have dementia. His lifelong battle with stuttering has more of an impact than many realize.
He handled himself just fine through the campaign and debates. He is making good decisions about dealing with Trump's obstinance and the team he is putting around him. Despite the dire predictions about being a stalking horse for socialism, he is the same slightly center-left Joe Biden he has always been.
He has enough wisdom to make cooling the temperature around our politics his number one priority. That is good enough for me.
But once again, one need look no further than his platform to see that he's pretty far tot he left of Obama. I guess it's your thought he lied in his stated policy positions, and will govern as a moderate? I hope you are right (though I am not sure what that says about his character).
And platforms have little relevance to governance. Its been that way forever. At this moment he does not have a Senate majority and even if he got one, he would have to worry about several moderate Senators. He is not going to try to pass a radical agenda because he doesn't believe in it and it would be impossible even if he did believe in it.
Judge him on what he does, not what you think he will do.
Trump tax cuts will be reversed.
The corporate tax plan includes increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% and imposing a 15% minimum tax on book income.
Businesses will attempt to maintain their net profit by laying off employees, increasing automation and raising the price of their goods. The middle class will hurt deeply.
Mothra, businesses are already vanishing daily because of the democrats COVID regs
Democrats are poison to small business! No one started new businesses during obama, no one! People forget that but now it'll return again
I started my business in 2009 and gave zero thought as to who was President.
There is no trick to Americans exercising their right to vote. What's tricky, is people like you discounting their votes, because your party isn't winning. It is divisive, because you seek to take people's voice away. People just want to be heard, and any real American supports the voices of their neighbor, no matter their politics.Oldbear83 said:I see that. Once a trick works, they stay with it.Doc Holliday said:I firmly believe it's going to happen. Mail in volumes are outrageously high.Oldbear83 said:That would be seriously bad for the nationDoc Holliday said:
The senate is going to flip.