94% unvaccinated in Waco hospitals

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

Does the vaccine work or not? Why would vaxed people exposed to the unwashed masses be in any danger?
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Mothra
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C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
STxBear81
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get vaxxed, double mask. social distance, stay away from sporting events and un vaxxed folks. get boosters, watch out for the variants. im not opposed to the vax just having the government insist i do something I may not want to do.
fadskier
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Florda_mike said:

Doctor friend of mine emailed me that these unvaccinated numbers are false. Said he works 2 hospitals. About 30 COVID patients in each. 27-28 were vaccinated in both which is 90-95% that are vaccinated. Israel has surveys showing high percentage in hospitals are vaccinated.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

Why is OP trying to shame those that choose to be safe for now and see how these vaccines work before taking them or not???

Even the CDC says vaccines don't prevent a person from getting COVID nor stops them from transmitting COVID to others!
Mike, no one has ever told us the vaccine prevents getting or speading...it prevents us from having a severe case of Covid.
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Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

Does the vaccine work or not? Why would vaxed people exposed to the unwashed masses be in any danger?
I'm a conservative that has chosen to get vaccinated. I have never been told that it would prevent me from getting Covid...it would just lessen my symptoms. My secretary was an anti-vaxxer until she got Covid two weeks ago...spent 5 days in the hospital and almost didn't make it.

My sister is a nurse in a central Texas hospital. 25 with covid on her floor....24 are unvaxxed.
Mothra
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
Mothra
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fadskier said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

Does the vaccine work or not? Why would vaxed people exposed to the unwashed masses be in any danger?
I'm a conservative that has chosen to get vaccinated. I have never been told that it would prevent me from getting Covid...it would just lessen my symptoms. My secretary was an anti-vaxxer until she got Covid two weeks ago...spent 5 days in the hospital and almost didn't make it.

My sister is a nurse in a central Texas hospital. 25 with covid on her floor....24 are unvaxxed.
I think you need to read a little more careful. No one you responded to said the vax will prevent you from getting COVID.

The key point is that you "chose" to get the vaccine. That is all I am stating. If you want to the vaccine, you should be able to get it. If you don't want it, it should not be mandated. One should have the choice.
fadskier
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Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.

I agree that I am not in danger of dying and would probably just get a light case if I get it.

I am not advocating a vaccine mandate BUT blame both Democrats, Republicans, Trump, Harris, and Biden for politicizing every aspect of this pandemic.
Canon
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C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.



No they aren't. That's the lie the left keeps repeating. But it's only a lie.
Mothra
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
fadskier
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Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
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Canon said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.



No they aren't. That's the lie the left keeps repeating. But it's only a lie.
the far left Iran
Mothra
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
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Dnicknames said:

Canon said:

Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.


Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.


In order to be admitted to elementary schools, we require kids to be vaccinated.
We really don't. One of my kid's vaccination records got lost in a particularly famous hurricane/flood in Nola. We were back in Texas and had no proof of vaccination. School told us to just fill out this form that says "we have a religious or moral objection to vaccination" so we were good to go and didn't have to prove up any vaccinations.

We eventually went and got blood testing to prove the kid had all the required vaxes, but we didn't do that until college. And could've filled out the same "objection" form then.
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Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Canon
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clubhi said:

Canon said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.



No they aren't. That's the lie the left keeps repeating. But it's only a lie.
the far left Iran


You choose your own bedfellows. Whatever works for you lefties.
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).
Canon
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?


Why is intentional murder different than not committing murder? Think it through.
Mothra
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fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
If you are a conservative who favors individual liberty and limited govt., there shouldn't be much to think about.

I am not sure what abortion has to do with this.

There are people who cannot handle vaccines and whose body doesn't react well to them. My son is one of them. Vaccines can and do injure people. Most vaccines are not approved until 7 years after they are tested on human subjects. That's because we typically like to take a long look at side effects. We don't have that data here. For that reason, the less vulnerable may want to take a wait and see approach.

The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.
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Robert Wilson said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).


Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.
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Canon said:

Robert Wilson said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).


Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.
Yup. It has nothing to do with social media or some irrational fear.
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Canon said:

Robert Wilson said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).


Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.
I agree. I think that's a reasonable position. Falls under my first paragraph, but more explicit. I could easily talk myself into that position. I got the shot for convenience. Frankly, I'm not scared of covid or the shot.
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Mothra said:

Canon said:

Robert Wilson said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).


Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.
Yup. It has nothing to do with social media or some irrational fear.


My wife (who has circa three more useful university degrees than many here) is in this boat. She's made the choice to wait for more longitudinal data. I'm vaccinated and our kids are all but immune (and we all likely had it last year). There's no logical reason for her to get vaccinated, given her demographics and health status. I'd be fine if she did, but I respect her choice to wait.

It's a pity leftists are so eager to penetrate unwilling women.
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Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
If you are a conservative who favors individual liberty and limited govt., there shouldn't be much to think about.

I am not sure what abortion has to do with this.

There are people who cannot handle vaccines and whose body doesn't react well to them. My son is one of them. Vaccines can and do injure people. Most vaccines are not approved until 7 years after they are tested on human subjects. That's because we typically like to take a long look at side effects. We don't have that data here. For that reason, the less vulnerable may want to take a wait and see approach.

The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

"While recent studies have demonstrated the vaccine is highly reactogenic and causes motor neuron death in mice, there is no clear evidence or epidemiological studies on Gulf War veterans linking the vaccine to Gulf War illness. "

After you are done reading up on female anatomy, give that a gander. I'm sure it is another conspiracy and not you misunderstanding 1998 20/20 episode
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Dnicknames said:

Canon said:

Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.


Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.


In order to be admitted to elementary schools, we require kids to be vaccinated. It is not meant to remove their freedom to choose, it is required so kids don't become unintended viral vectors onto other kids.

The Supreme Court upheld vaccine requirements as early as 1922, so there is a century of precedent regardless of right or left views.

My daughter, a student, calls the pandemic the worst group project she has ever participated in, where 25% of the group refuses to participate. She's not wrong.
There are exemptions to getting vaccinations for kids going to school
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C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

Yep.
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Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.
They still vote in November.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Mothra said:

Canon said:

Robert Wilson said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).


Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.
Yup. It has nothing to do with social media or some irrational fear.
That could be true, but you'd never know it from reading this board or talking to the anti-vaxxers I've talked to. 99+ percent of the arguments are based on social media misinformation and fear, with little room for change based on facts. It doesn't seem that would be the case if it were just normal hesitancy as opposed to ideology.
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clubhi said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

fadskier said:

Mothra said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.
No it wasn't
Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.
I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.
That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.
The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?
I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?
My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?
If you are a conservative who favors individual liberty and limited govt., there shouldn't be much to think about.

I am not sure what abortion has to do with this.

There are people who cannot handle vaccines and whose body doesn't react well to them. My son is one of them. Vaccines can and do injure people. Most vaccines are not approved until 7 years after they are tested on human subjects. That's because we typically like to take a long look at side effects. We don't have that data here. For that reason, the less vulnerable may want to take a wait and see approach.

The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

"While recent studies have demonstrated the vaccine is highly reactogenic and causes motor neuron death in mice, there is no clear evidence or epidemiological studies on Gulf War veterans linking the vaccine to Gulf War illness. "

After you are done reading up on female anatomy, give that a gander. I'm sure it is another conspiracy and not you misunderstanding 1998 20/20 episode
Girl, if you don't want to tell us whether the crystals helped your menstrual cramps, no biggie. No need to be so touchy about it. You PMSing or something?

LOL at the wikipedia link. I'd suggest expanding your horizons beyond wiki. I'll share some links. BTW, it's interesting that you left off the last line of the paragraph you quoted. Wonder why?

"However, the committee report does point out that veterans who received a larger number of various vaccines in advance of deployment have shown higher rates of persistent symptoms since the war."

Whoops!

Enjoy:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jul/30/internationalnews

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1385%2FNMM%3A9%3A1%3A83

https://zenodo.org/record/1229308#.YTj8eTV7kaY
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Canon said:

Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.


Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.


The vaccine is a choice. I haven't seen anyone strapped to the table and injected yet.

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GrowlTowel said:

Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.
They still vote in November.

Then the GOP has a chance
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Sam Lowry said:

C. Jordan said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

Yep.
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Sam Lowry
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Booray said:

Canon said:

Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.


Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.


The vaccine is a choice. I haven't seen anyone strapped to the table and injected yet.


But apparently some politicians are promising just that. I believe Canon was about to tell us who they are.
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Booray said:

Canon said:

BylrFan said:

https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday


QUICK! Let's take away their free will!
The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.
Well, now, that's an interesting question. I can't say I've got the answer to that one, at least not at your 100% confidence level.

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"Now, that's a good question. When did they stop bein'?" - Sheriff Bell
 
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