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Gameday Thread: KSU (13-1; 2-0) at #19 Baylor (10-4; 0-2)

January 6, 2023
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#19 Baylor (10-4; 2-0) hosts Kansas State (13-1; 2-0) in the return of long-term Baylor assistant Jerome Tang to Waco.  The game is at 5pm CST on January 7th and is televised on ESPN+.  

KenPom Prediction:  Baylor 77 KSU 72

Torvik Prediction:  Baylor 76 KSU 73

Evan Miyakawa Prediction:  Baylor 79 KSU 71

Coaches

KSU:   Jerome Tang (56) 13-1

Baylor:  Scott Drew (52); 429-237 overall (409-226 at Baylor); 10 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship

Head to Head:  0-0

KSU Starters

Guard:  Markquis Nowell (SR) 5-8 160 lbs; 16 ppg; 3 reb; 9 asst; 40% FG; 36% 3pt; 86% FT

Guard:  Desi Sills (SR) 6-2 200 lbs; 9 ppg; 3 reb; 3 asst; 46% FG; 27% 3pt; 77% FT

Guard: Cam Carter (SO) 6-3 190 lbs; 7 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 37% FG; 35% 3pt; 73% FT

Forward:  Keyontae Johnson (SR) 6-6 230 lbs; 18 ppg; 7 reb; 3 asst; 58% FG; 41% 3pt; 76% FT

Forward: Nae’Qwan Towlin (JR) 6-10 210 lbs; 12 ppg; 6 reb; 47% FG; 30% 3pt; 68% FT

KSU Bench

Forward:  Abayomi Iyolia (SR) 6-10 220 lbs; 5 ppg; 3 reb; 61% FG; 86% FT

Forward:  Ismael Massoud (JR) 6-9 225 lbs; 4 ppg; 2 reb; 34% FG; 39% 3pt; 100% FT

Forward:  David N’Guessan (JR) 6-9 215 lbs; 8 ppg; 5 reb; 68% FG; 50% 3pt; 47% FT

Baylor Starters

Guard:  Adam Flagler (SR) 6-3 185 lbs; 16 ppg; 3 reb; 5 asst; 47% FG; 48% 3pt; 80% FT

Guard:  LJ Cryer (JR) 6-1 190 lbs; 15 ppg; 2 reb; 2 asst; 44% FG; 36% 3pt; 94% FT

Guard:  Keyonte George (FR) 6-4 185 lbs; 16 ppg; 4 reb; 4 asst; 38% FG; 35% 3pt; 85% FT

Forward:  Jalen Bridges (JR) 6-7 225 lbs; 9 ppg; 5 reb; 47% FG; 21% 3pt; 78% FT

Forward:  Flo Thamba (SR) 6-10 250 lbs; 5 ppg; 5 reb; 1 blk; 63% FG; 49% FT

Baylor Bench

Guard:  Dale Bonner (SR) 6-2 170 lbs; 6 ppg; 2 reb; 4 asst; 2 st; 45% FG; 36% 3pt; 79% FT

Forward:  Caleb Lohner (JR) 6-8 235 lbs; 5 ppg; 5 reb; 56% FG; 33% 3pt; 69% FT

Guard:  Langston Love (FR) 6-5 210 lbs; 7 ppg; 2 reb; 45% FG; 35% 3pt; 83% FT

Forward:  Joshua Ojianwuna (FR) 6-10 235 lbs; 6 ppg; 5 reb; 1 blk; 71% FG; 69% FT

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Gameday Thread: KSU (13-1; 2-0) at #19 Baylor (10-4; 0-2)

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6:03p, 1/7/23
KSU shooting 60% in the first half - where is the defensive intensity this program is known for?
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In reply to bear2be2 • 6:04p, 1/7/23
bear2be2 said:
Lohner is so bad.


Yeah. We have 12 rebounds at half. He has 6 in 9 minutes. Horrible
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6:15p, 1/7/23
Great start Bears.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
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6:17p, 1/7/23
our offense looks good today, our defense looks like a bag of marshmallows
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to CTbruin • 6:20p, 1/7/23
CTbruin said:
bear2be2 said:
Lohner is so bad.


Yeah. We have 12 rebounds at half. He has 6 in 9 minutes. Horrible
Rebounding is effort, not skill. He's literally bad at everything that requires basketball skill.

No one ever said he didn't play hard. But he is otherwise a skill-less hack.
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6:38p, 1/7/23
K State reminds me a little of the Hank Gathers era Loyola Marymount team. They just jack it up quickly from everywhere. It's fun to watch because they just look to get in a running match and outscore the other team, but defense is definitely not the emphasis.
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6:39p, 1/7/23
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
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6:42p, 1/7/23
Way too many of our crucial offensive possessions this season have ended in Lohner or Bridges 3s. That's a recipe for a lot of losing.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 6:43p, 1/7/23
Mitch Henessey said:
Way too many of our crucial offensive possessions this season have ended in Lohner or Bridges 3s. That's a recipe for a lot of losing.
The bad part is those are created by good offense. That was a great find by Bonner. That should have been a game-tying 3. Lohner just isn't good.

Same with the Bridges 3 the other night. That was a good look off a good pass. He just isn't capable of handling the role we need him to play.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 6:44p, 1/7/23
bear2be2 said:
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
I think he's too loose with his dribble to be the primary facilitator. But I do agree with you that he's not a good enough scorer to function in an off-the-ball role with the rest of this roster.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 6:45p, 1/7/23
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
I think he's too loose with his dribble to be the primary facilitator. But I do agree with you that he's not a good enough scorer to function in an off-the-ball role with the rest of this roster.
He's got six assists to one turnover tonight (and should have three or four others that his teammates couldn't finish). And he has three assists for every turnover this season. He's been among the best on the team at taking care of the ball and getting his teammates involved.
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6:45p, 1/7/23
Not sure why Lohner is shooting 3's. We need to drive to the basket.
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In reply to rileyroo • 6:46p, 1/7/23
rileyroo said:
Not sure why Lohner is shooting 3's. We need to drive to the basket.
This is college basketball. You have to be able to hit the 3 ball. If you can't knock down wide open 3s, you're not going to be good.
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In reply to rileyroo • 6:49p, 1/7/23
rileyroo said:
Not sure why Lohner is shooting 3's. We need to drive to the basket.
We need to score. We're not doing much of that when we drive to the basket either.

We gotta score dependably
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to bear2be2 • 6:49p, 1/7/23
bear2be2 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
I think he's too loose with his dribble to be the primary facilitator. But I do agree with you that he's not a good enough scorer to function in an off-the-ball role with the rest of this roster.
He's got six assists to one turnover tonight (and should have three or four others that his teammates couldn't finish). And he has three assists for every turnover this season. He's been among the best on the team at taking care of the ball and getting his teammates involved.
That's fine. I know he's your guy.

But, I'm commenting on the fact that I've seen him dribble himself into enough trouble in his time at Baylor that I don't trust him with the ball in crucial possessions when the defense tightens up. Just because he's been good as a secondary ball handler doesn't mean he'll be just as good as the primary guy. AJ Walton springs to mind.
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6:52p, 1/7/23
Our FT shooting is going to cost us this game.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 6:53p, 1/7/23
Mitch Henessey said:
Our FT shooting is going to cost us this game.
Our shooting, period.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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6:56p, 1/7/23
Flagler!!!
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In reply to bear2be2 • 6:57p, 1/7/23
bear2be2 said:
rileyroo said:
Not sure why Lohner is shooting 3's. We need to drive to the basket.
This is college basketball. You have to be able to hit the 3 ball. If you can't knock down wide open 3s, you're not going to be good.


Gotta do both
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In reply to rileyroo • 6:57p, 1/7/23
He's 1 for 2 tonight from the 3. That can help.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 6:57p, 1/7/23
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
I think he's too loose with his dribble to be the primary facilitator. But I do agree with you that he's not a good enough scorer to function in an off-the-ball role with the rest of this roster.
He's got six assists to one turnover tonight (and should have three or four others that his teammates couldn't finish). And he has three assists for every turnover this season. He's been among the best on the team at taking care of the ball and getting his teammates involved.
That's fine. I know he's your guy.

But, I'm commenting on the fact that I've seen him dribble himself into enough trouble in his time at Baylor that I don't trust him with the ball in crucial possessions when the defense tightens up. Just because he's been good as a secondary ball handler doesn't mean he'll be just as good as the primary guy. AJ Walton springs to mind.
He and Flagler have shared the primary ball-handling duties today and our offense has been good with both. And George has benefited playing off the ball.

If you want to maximize this team's abilities, the best way to do that is to let Bonner handle the ball and George play the two. Both are better in those positions.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 6:59p, 1/7/23
bear2be2 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
bear2be2 said:
I like that we're using Bonner on the ball more. That's his best use IMO.

He's a solid penetrator and a good passer. And in the point guard role, we don't need scoring from him.

I hope we see more of that going forward. We need his defense, and that's the best way to maximize what he brings offensively and to mask his limitations as a scorer.
I think he's too loose with his dribble to be the primary facilitator. But I do agree with you that he's not a good enough scorer to function in an off-the-ball role with the rest of this roster.
He's got six assists to one turnover tonight (and should have three or four others that his teammates couldn't finish). And he has three assists for every turnover this season. He's been among the best on the team at taking care of the ball and getting his teammates involved.
That's fine. I know he's your guy.

But, I'm commenting on the fact that I've seen him dribble himself into enough trouble in his time at Baylor that I don't trust him with the ball in crucial possessions when the defense tightens up. Just because he's been good as a secondary ball handler doesn't mean he'll be just as good as the primary guy. AJ Walton springs to mind.
He and Flagler have shared the primary ball-handling duties today and our offense has been good with both. And George has benefited playing off the ball.

If you want to maximize this team's abilities, the best way to do that is to let Bonner handle the ball and George play the two. Both are better in those positions.
I hope he proves me wrong in my assessment.
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7:01p, 1/7/23
Why do I feel like another one point Loss is on the way?
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 7:01p, 1/7/23
Johnny Bear said:
Why do I feel like another one point Loss is on the way?
please no. This is a must win in the worst way.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 7:01p, 1/7/23
Johnny Bear said:
Why do I feel like another one point Loss is on the way?
Because we can't make enough stops to make a run or stop a run. This team is brutal defensively.
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7:03p, 1/7/23
our offense is tired. Someone's gotta find the energy to finish
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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7:03p, 1/7/23
George is too lazy on the ball. Flagler isn't a good transition or off-the-ball defender. Cryer isn't good on defense at all. Not great for our prospects on defense.
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7:04p, 1/7/23
We need our former players to not cheer for our opponent.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 7:04p, 1/7/23
It's too close & too early to call. We shouldn't give up yet.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:05p, 1/7/23
Oldbear83 said:
We need our former players to not cheer for our opponent.
No one's cheering for our opponent. It's literally his job to be objective.
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7:06p, 1/7/23
LOL!
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In reply to historian • 7:06p, 1/7/23
historian said:
It's too close & too early to call. We shouldn't give up yet.
Not giving up, but honestly worried because of well, what just happened.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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7:06p, 1/7/23
Bridges does almost nothing in defense!! He prefers to watch them score a layup.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:07p, 1/7/23
Oldbear83 said:
historian said:
It's too close & too early to call. We shouldn't give up yet.
Not giving up, but honestly worried because of well, what just happened.
Worried about what? Another loss?

This team is what it is. It's a half team, and half teams don't win in the Big 12.
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7:09p, 1/7/23
This team is fatally flawed, guys. Just accept it and adjust your expectations accordingly.
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