MBB: B12 Tourney Baylor vs KSU Preview & Game Thread

Media Bear said:

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Volunteer said:

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It ain't the end of the world but does anyone think this team goes anywhere in the tournament. Tough to watch.

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I can see us going one and done now. Before I figured the seed disparity would be enough to get to Round 2 or even Sweet 16 with the right draw, but now ...

K-State player just said in post game they thought they were a "tougher" team than Baylor.

Hard to dispute. Interesting. I thought the Bears were mighty tough early on in the season -- but has this team literally lost its toughness as the season has moved along.

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KState player was eight with these refs, but they will lose first round in the ncaas

903Bear said:

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Iowa State will probably win this tournament again

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I hope so. Because if we **** the bed only to watch TCU win it then I'm going to break some *****

Offense was putrid. Hope we figure it out before next weekend.
KSU was desperate and it showed, they wanted it more.

bularry said:

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BearSince2010 said:

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This might be another reason we don't land top recruits like we should.

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We are vulnerable in games like this because we don't have top talent

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They just look worn out to me. We didn't have top talent all season long and whooped some a$$ for about 3/4ths of it.

Looks to me like the gas tank for these fellas is empty.

I think we end up the dreaded "4 seed".

Then lose in the 2nd round...

Rinse and repeat in 2018.

The first 2 months of the season were a blast though.

McBearenstein said:

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Black_Storm said:

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Maybe second round. Maybe...

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I actually still think we'll make the Sweet 16, no further though. Drew has got to trust some of his other players like King, Chuck and TJ. If they don't get it done so be it but at least they give us a chance to score. For some reason we are bogging with Manu and Al in there together.

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Can't explain why Al played so much, but King was a ghost while he was in today. Not sure he warranted much more from the limited production he had.

Manu simply was terrible until midway through the 2nd half. Feel like we had to keep him in to try to get the rust off. I thought he looked physicall fine until he came out that last time where he was limping or at least walking a little funny. I assume that is why he wasn't playing the last couple minutes. We've got to have him playing at a high level in the real tournament or we can turn the lights out early.

Can't name one player tonight that had a good game. Hate that I had to give my big 12 tournament tickets up, but it would suck to be there after tonight.

what is it with Motley and Jo KState? Our bigs seem to have their worst games against KState and the only reason why we won at KState was our 3 point shooting. Our defense was non existent in the second half

Grinnin bear said:

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I think we end up the dreaded "4 seed".

Then lose in the 2nd round...

Rinse and repeat in 2018.

The first 2 months of the season were a blast though.

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huh

Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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I hope he stays for his entire career. I'd rather be a mediocre tournament team than go another decade plus without seeing the NCAAs, but I'm concerned that his coaching skills have improved while his recruiting has weakened. Not a single stud guard in this team. That bothers me big time. It will seem more apparent if we don't land the big PG.

Grinnin bear said:

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I think we end up the dreaded "4 seed".

Then lose in the 2nd round...

Rinse and repeat in 2018.

The first 2 months of the season were a blast though.

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What in the world do you base your "4 seed" on? That flies in the face of every metric from every bracketoligist and those who pretend to be bracketoligists?

Lawbear said:

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McBearenstein said:

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Black_Storm said:

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Maybe second round. Maybe...

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I actually still think we'll make the Sweet 16, no further though. Drew has got to trust some of his other players like King, Chuck and TJ. If they don't get it done so be it but at least they give us a chance to score. For some reason we are bogging with Manu and Al in there together.

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Can't explain why Al played so much, but King was a ghost while he was in today. Not sure he warranted much more from the limited production he had.

Manu simply was terrible until midway through the 2nd half. Feel like we had to keep him in to try to get the rust off. I thought he looked physicall fine until he came out that last time where he was limping or at least walking a little funny. I assume that is why he wasn't playing the last couple minutes. We've got to have him playing at a high level in the real tournament or we can turn the lights out early.

Can't name one player tonight that had a good game. Hate that I had to give my big 12 tournament tickets up, but it would suck to be there after tonight.

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Can't argue too much about King. I would love to see Drew put in Mitchell when the offense goes into one of those patented droughts (of which we had at least 3 extended ones tonight). Feel like he injects energy and stuff starts loosening up more having a driving threat out there.

Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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Need deeper guard play than what we have to get there. One good guard with a flat tire at the moment won't cut it. Will be interesting to see what Vital and Jolly bring ...

Need a wing player who can shoot. With all due respect to Ish, he can't hit the ocean with an oar.

Need more beef down low too. We have decent bigs and I like the length, but they get shoved around a lot.

Ball security needs a lot of work on this team. Been better as of late, but it put us out of the conference title running much earlier than it should have.

Free throws need a special emphasis as well. Not just making them, but getting the team in a position to be in the bonus more earlier in games and more often.

Leadership. With Ish leaving and two rising seniors having been suspended by Drew already this season, were gonna have a void in that area unless Manu and Lindsay step up. King could too if he becomes more consistent with his on court production.

Weight room for Big Joe and Omot (kinda repeating the third point).

Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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We're going to be a 2 or a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament. That is quite a bit more than respectable.

We don't have much of a playmaker on the team that at the end of games demands the ball. Motley has the tools to be that guy but I don't think he has that drive that sets those players apart. Duval would be that kind of player and would do wonders for this team next year.

I think why most people are extremely frustrated at tonight is it had all the hallmarks of those late-00s Drew teams where we wait until it's too late to do things like speed up the tempo by pressing and trapping. Should've tried different lineups (Chuck?) and more picking up at 3/4 long before there was :90 left.

Also, I love the idea of Jake and Manu playing together making Manu the 2. Unfortunately, Manu never got the memo and was still the one dribbling aimlessly for 25 seconds.

McBearenstein said:

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Lawbear said:

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McBearenstein said:

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Black_Storm said:

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Maybe second round. Maybe...

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I actually still think we'll make the Sweet 16, no further though. Drew has got to trust some of his other players like King, Chuck and TJ. If they don't get it done so be it but at least they give us a chance to score. For some reason we are bogging with Manu and Al in there together.

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Can't explain why Al played so much, but King was a ghost while he was in today. Not sure he warranted much more from the limited production he had.

Manu simply was terrible until midway through the 2nd half. Feel like we had to keep him in to try to get the rust off. I thought he looked physicall fine until he came out that last time where he was limping or at least walking a little funny. I assume that is why he wasn't playing the last couple minutes. We've got to have him playing at a high level in the real tournament or we can turn the lights out early.

Can't name one player tonight that had a good game. Hate that I had to give my big 12 tournament tickets up, but it would suck to be there after tonight.

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Can't argue too much about King. I would love to see Drew put in Mitchell when the offense goes into one of those patented droughts (of which we had at least 3 extended ones tonight). Feel like he injects energy and stuff starts loosening up more having a driving threat out there.

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I wish Chuck had gotten more playing time this year. Very excited about his future. Thought he played well enough in Al absence to get a little more PT, but alas Drew didn't see it the same way. Wonder if KSU's physicality played into that?

rudylaw said:

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I think why most people are extremely frustrated at tonight is it had all the hallmarks of those late-00s Drew teams where we wait until it's too late to do things like speed up the tempo by pressing and trapping. Should've tried different lineups (Chuck?) and more picking up at 3/4 long before there was :90 left.

Also, I love the idea of Jake and Manu playing together making Manu the 2. Unfortunately, Manu never got the memo and was still the one dribbling aimlessly for 25 seconds.

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was an incredibly frustrating game to watch, doesn't mean we have to get on here and spew nonsense. people need an outlet tho, I get it.

Hambone said:

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I feel pretty safe we will end up a 2. UCLA/Zona/FSU/Duke are the threats to pass us, but the Pac 12 is weak overall and only 1 of them can win, and FSU and Duke have to win 2 more games, and only 1 of them can win.... also, I would think we will be ahead of fellow 2 seed Lousiville, as we have similar bodies of work, but own the H2H win over them.

teams like WVU, Purdue, Florida have almost 0 chance to pass us. there is a chance we slip to a 3 depending on how it shakes out, but I like our chances at a 2

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I hope you're right but I see us as a soft 3 right now. Last 10 we're 4-6 and, even with injuries/suspensions, we just haven't looked the part since Norman. Thankfully, our non-con body of work is just so strong and looking even better with X and Sparty coming on.

Crash Davis said:

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Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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We're going to be a 2 or a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament. That is quite a bit more than respectable.

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If we hang onto a two seed, we can get to the round of 32 and with a good draw -- even the Sweet 16.

A 3 seed ... really depends on the draw at that point.

I'd just like to see ALL of our players step up the way they did early in the year and recently against Texas.

Not the crap we got subjected to this evening ...

Someone needs to show Jo some tape of Clint Capela. Clint knows his role of rebounding and rim protector mixed in with an occasional dunk or put back and that's it. Hopefully they still get to play in Tulsa!

We also need some locker room heroics by someone... anyone.

I truly get the sense that a lot our bad play is because of behind-the-scenes antics as the chemistry is in the ****ter and has been since Al's suspension. Hopefully this week off and the watch party will start to mend whatever it is that's broken.

Manu is the spark for the team. When he is out/injured, the team completely loses their mojo, including Motley.

Rockets21 said:

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Someone needs to show Jo some tape of Clint Capela. Clint knows his role of rebounding and rim protector mixed in with an occasional dunk or put back and that's it. Hopefully they still get to play in Tulsa!

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Problem is, Jo goes for the Huge block everytime and leaves the backside wide open. Literally everytime. He was way better in the beginning of the season

rudylaw said:

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Hambone said:

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I feel pretty safe we will end up a 2. UCLA/Zona/FSU/Duke are the threats to pass us, but the Pac 12 is weak overall and only 1 of them can win, and FSU and Duke have to win 2 more games, and only 1 of them can win.... also, I would think we will be ahead of fellow 2 seed Lousiville, as we have similar bodies of work, but own the H2H win over them.

teams like WVU, Purdue, Florida have almost 0 chance to pass us. there is a chance we slip to a 3 depending on how it shakes out, but I like our chances at a 2

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I hope you're right but I see us as a soft 3 right now. Last 10 we're 4-6 and, even with injuries/suspensions, we just haven't looked the part since Norman. Thankfully, our non-con body of work is just so strong and looking even better with X and Sparty coming on.

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last 10 or 12 are not considered anymore

we have the #1 non-con RPI (EDIT: double checked and we somehow slipped to #2, the horror)

some committee members will realize and factor in we were without Freeman and Manu at times, too.

we certainly aren't a soft 3. soft 2, yes.

Mitch Henessey said:

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Media Bear said:

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Just about in the bonus though

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The way we're playing tonight, we'll probably go 1-8 down the stretch...

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How prophetic. The game-end box score showed our starting 5 was 1-7 from the line ...

Hambone said:

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Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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sorry to single you out, but how does tonight's loss have any impact on Drew's ability to make the Final Four? that is an absurd point to bring up right now.

man, some of you guys go off the rails when we lose. this is the #1 basketball league in the country, and we are not Kansas. we will lose our share of games in this league, even when we have very good teams.

we are about to be a 3 seed AT WORST (my money is on 2 seed) and we have a bunch of Chicken Littles running around here... insanity.

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I agree with the gist, but we aren't the #1 league. I don't care what Kenpom says. And you are definitely right about "losing our share " as we seem to clearly have regressed to a .500 team

I find that disappointing. I think others do to

But hey, in November we beat Louisville and Mich St. That was fun

bularry said:

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Hambone said:

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Volunteer said:

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Drew has made us respectable. IMO he can stay as long as he likes. I don't think, however, there are any Final Fours in our future. Not a big deal to me but I know some of you are much bugger bball fans.

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sorry to single you out, but how does tonight's loss have any impact on Drew's ability to make the Final Four? that is an absurd point to bring up right now.

man, some of you guys go off the rails when we lose. this is the #1 basketball league in the country, and we are not Kansas. we will lose our share of games in this league, even when we have very good teams.

we are about to be a 3 seed AT WORST (my money is on 2 seed) and we have a bunch of Chicken Littles running around here... insanity.

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I agree with the gist, but we aren't the #1 league. I don't care what Kenpom says. And you are definitely right about "losing our share " as we seem to clearly have regressed to a .500 team

I find that disappointing. I think others do to

But hey, in November we beat Louisville and Mich St. That was fun

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This. We are now about where I thought we would be when the season opened

3ptSpecialist said:

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That was garbage

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Nothin but garbage. I'm not sure I've ever seen a team beat so many good teams, like actually good teams, but lose to kenpom 31 teams. And kenpom 46 teams.

And ftr, those kenpom ratings aren't the end all, they've got UCLA at 17, below us. Dook too.