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When Lawrence was asked about a possible reunion between Bryant and the Cowboys, he made it quite clear that it would be welcomed. "If 88, the X factor, wants a shot we gotta give him a shot. Cowboys are home to Dez and he's always accepted in my book." In a follow up question of who he would like the Cowboys to add to the teams roster next season, once again, Lawrence sided with Bryant, "I'd say bring Dez Bryant back. 88 is always welcome here."
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When Lawrence was asked about a possible reunion between Bryant and the Cowboys, he made it quite clear that it would be welcomed. "If 88, the X factor, wants a shot we gotta give him a shot. Cowboys are home to Dez and he's always accepted in my book." In a follow up question of who he would like the Cowboys to add to the teams roster next season, once again, Lawrence sided with Bryant, "I'd say bring Dez Bryant back. 88 is always welcome here."



2faced. Cowboys are home, but only if his agent lets it happen. They forget real quick that places are home for a price.
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geez, how much does Dak want? Dallas has already offered Top 5, and I think gone up two or three times
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With no long-term contract in sight, the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott are heading straight toward a situation in which the team will have to use its franchise tag on the star quarterback, league sources told ESPN.
At this point, the franchise tag looks inevitable, according to sources, although neither side wants the tag to come into play. Dallas strongly prefers a long-term agreement, and it will continue to push to sign Prescott to an extension in the coming weeks. Prescott, who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next month, also wants a long-term deal.
But the sides disagree over the two-time Pro Bowler's value, leaving them at an impasse.
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geez, how much does Dak want? Dallas has already offered Top 5, and I think gone up two or three times
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With no long-term contract in sight, the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott are heading straight toward a situation in which the team will have to use its franchise tag on the star quarterback, league sources told ESPN.
At this point, the franchise tag looks inevitable, according to sources, although neither side wants the tag to come into play. Dallas strongly prefers a long-term agreement, and it will continue to push to sign Prescott to an extension in the coming weeks. Prescott, who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next month, also wants a long-term deal.
But the sides disagree over the two-time Pro Bowler's value, leaving them at an impasse.



I'm betting its the length of the contract. Dak likely wants to go back to the table in 3 to 4 years whereas Jones probably is shooting for a longer term which then puts you in a discussion about the money and how to account for QB market inflation.
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Referee Bill Vinovich ended up asking two @Chiefs captains if they wanted the ball, or to kick, after the @49ers won the toss and deferred. That could have been trouble! Remember what happened during Rams-Cowboys during the regular season
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Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC
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Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC



Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
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Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC



We have no one that can stretch the field vertically as well as the Hill/Watkins combo, and I'm not trying to denigrate Gallup/Cooper. That and we are way behind them at the TE/QB
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Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?




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Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC



We have no one that can stretch the field vertically as well as the Hill/Watkins combo, and I'm not trying to denigrate Gallup/Cooper. That and we are way behind them at the TE/QB
But the gap between our backup RB and their starters is vast. Not to mention the All Pro, All World guy that starts.

And our OL, even as beatup as they are, is superior to the KC OL.

If our LBs are healthy, ours are better. Our DBs are not. I have no idea who our DL will be so I think you give it to them
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Last night was cool, but I think we all know that should have been Americas Team out there playing.
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Last night was cool, but I think we all know that should have been Americas Team out there playing.
no kidding
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I wish someone would send this to Dak. Brady figured out a long time ago that the 'goodwill' from the public coming from taking less, would actually put a heck of a lot more money into his pocket.
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NFL Network's Michael Giardi reports impending free agent Tom Brady is not "demanding" $30 million annually from the Patriots.
Brady has often settled for below-market deals to ensure the Patriots have had the cap space necessary to address other needs, though he may be looking to cash in at this late juncture in his career. However, the bigger priority for Brady is adding "weapons" as the 42-year-old apparently didn't feel his supporting cast was strong enough in 2019. It's hard to argue with that assessment as the Patriots' pass-catching corps this past season was among the weakest he's had in New England, featuring veteran slot receiver Julian Edelman (who was noticeably slowed by a slew of late-season injuries) and not much else. Staying in Foxboro still makes the most sense for Brady from a football standpoint, though he could leverage the Pats by taking meetings elsewhere when free agency begins in mid-March.
SOURCE: Michael Giardi on Twitter
Feb 3, 2020, 9:27 AM ET
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BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?





Players don't look at it that way. Dak wants what he's worth. He feels like he's worth top dollar. He wants to make as much as he can while he can since nothing is given as far as injuries. He also sees the salary cap moving up every year and feels it won't hurt them too much in the long run.

Now you could also look at it as greed taking over. It's funny no one ever talks about that part. It's probably a mixture of both.
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UBBY said:

Assassin said:

BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?
Players don't look at it that way. Dak wants what he's worth. He feels like he's worth top dollar. He wants to make as much as he can while he can since nothing is given as far as injuries. He also sees the salary cap moving up every year and feels it won't hurt them too much in the long run.

Now you could also look at it as greed taking over. It's funny no one ever talks about that part. It's probably a mixture of both.
I understand they dont think of it that way, but someday they will look back and realize that their greed cost them that Defensive back that might have had an INT to win the Superbowl.

Brady gets it. Thats why he keeps cutting team friendly deals. He has all the money that the entire New England whaling fleet needs for a lifetime.

As far as injuries. These guys made more in year one than the normal college grad makes out of college for a decade. By playing a game, not working their ass off in a classroom (I was one of them, 3 years of college ball with a lot of mispent time) like most of you college graduates did. As someone that didnt do that diligence, I can tell you that many times in later life I wish I had. Especially now that I am investing.


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UBBY said:

Assassin said:

BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?





Players don't look at it that way. Dak wants what he's worth. He feels like he's worth top dollar. He wants to make as much as he can while he can since nothing is given as far as injuries. He also sees the salary cap moving up every year and feels it won't hurt them too much in the long run.

Now you could also look at it as greed taking over. It's funny no one ever talks about that part. It's probably a mixture of both.
He's going to make more than he can ever spend either way. I think Jerry would be a fool to sign him to a top dollar deal before we know what the new CBA looks like. There very well could be a QB cap. That makes so much sense and the pushback would likely be so small, it's easy to imagine that happening. No reason at all to rush into something, especially with the tag to fall back on.
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Assassin said:

UBBY said:

Assassin said:

BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?
Players don't look at it that way. Dak wants what he's worth. He feels like he's worth top dollar. He wants to make as much as he can while he can since nothing is given as far as injuries. He also sees the salary cap moving up every year and feels it won't hurt them too much in the long run.

Now you could also look at it as greed taking over. It's funny no one ever talks about that part. It's probably a mixture of both.
I understand they dont think of it that way, but someday they will look back and realize that their greed cost them that Defensive back that might have had an INT to win the Superbowl.

Brady gets it. Thats why he keeps cutting team friendly deals. He has all the money that the entire New England whaling fleet needs for a lifetime.

As far as injuries. These guys made more in year one than the normal college grad makes out of college for a decade. By playing a game, not working their ass off in a classroom (I was one of them, 3 years of college ball with a lot of mispent time) like most of you college graduates did. As someone that didnt do that diligence, I can tell you that many times in later life I wish I had. Especially now that I am investing.





[Playing devil's advocate]
Then again we have had Dak for dirt cheap compared to his production and didn't get that guy, such as Earl Thomas, so why should he give a hometown discount and think things will change?

Why would he take less if he can get his terms on the open market?

Why didn't Dallas get this done a year ago and not drag it into a free agency year for Dak?
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Assassin said:

UBBY said:

Assassin said:

BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Not sure that I see a great deal of talent separation between us and KC

Until a few weeks ago I did...on the sidelines
I think things have changed now. Remember that until last night Andy Reid held the record for most playoffs without winning the big one.

McCarthy is very similar to Reid. Plus this is a kickass staff.

Hopefully they get a deal done with Dak prior to offseason workouts. It really burns me when someone is getting offered that much money with the idea that the pie is only so big, every bit of it will be spent, but 'my slice needs to be so big or so long that other folks can't get theirs'.

How much money do you need?
Players don't look at it that way. Dak wants what he's worth. He feels like he's worth top dollar. He wants to make as much as he can while he can since nothing is given as far as injuries. He also sees the salary cap moving up every year and feels it won't hurt them too much in the long run.

Now you could also look at it as greed taking over. It's funny no one ever talks about that part. It's probably a mixture of both.
I understand they dont think of it that way, but someday they will look back and realize that their greed cost them that Defensive back that might have had an INT to win the Superbowl.

Brady gets it. Thats why he keeps cutting team friendly deals. He has all the money that the entire New England whaling fleet needs for a lifetime.

As far as injuries. These guys made more in year one than the normal college grad makes out of college for a decade. By playing a game, not working their ass off in a classroom (I was one of them, 3 years of college ball with a lot of mispent time) like most of you college graduates did. As someone that didnt do that diligence, I can tell you that many times in later life I wish I had. Especially now that I am investing.



I'm not 100% sure what Dak is thinking but I think it goes back to what I said. He wants what he thinks he's worth and the salary cap. At the end of the day he wants his money for giving them high productivity as a 4th round draft pick on an extremely small salary (NFL wise). Even with Brady giving "team friendly" deals he's been extremely fortunate for how Belichick cobbled together and coached some of those highly successful teams. It's not like he wasn't greedy also or he wouldn't also take endorsements. Team friendly deals aren't a guarantee of success. 99% of players aren't going to take team friendly deals the first time around.
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I'm a big fan of the players who want all those big bucks, also share in the shortfalls. If the club loses money, not only do they not get paid, they gotta chip in.

Let them understand what it means to run a business and the headaches that come with it.


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I'm a big fan of the players who want all those big bucks, also share in the shortfalls. If the club loses money, not only do they not get paid, they gotta chip in.

Let them understand what it means to run a business and the headaches that come with it.





Stop yelling at the clouds.
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BearForce said:

Assassin said:

I'm a big fan of the players who want all those big bucks, also share in the shortfalls. If the club loses money, not only do they not get paid, they gotta chip in.

Let them understand what it means to run a business and the headaches that come with it.



Stop yelling at the clouds.
Is it okay to bark at the moon still?

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Definitely is. He's fortunate to make what he makes.
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February 3
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February 24 - March 2
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If Dak does hit the free agent market, you think he's get $200 mil somewhere?
Assassin
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If Dak does hit the free agent market, you think he's get $200 mil somewhere?
Could you imagine what the Redskins would pay him just to rub it in our faces?
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GoldMind said:

If Dak does hit the free agent market, you think he's get $200 mil somewhere?
Could you imagine what the Redskins would pay him just to rub it in our faces?



Buuuuggghhh
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If Dak does hit the free agent market, you think he's get $200 mil somewhere?

Anybody in their right mind would give him $200mm. The only sticking points would be guarantee and duration.
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Machiavelli said:

GoldMind said:

If Dak does hit the free agent market, you think he's get $200 mil somewhere?

Anybody in their right mind would give him $200mm. The only sticking points would be guarantee and duration.
yep, 200M over 5 years is 40M per, which is not totally out of bounds at this point given the contract length.
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I don't know how this is even an issue in Jerry's mind.
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I forgot all about this until watching 'the show' last night

There is no intent to make this political, just Roger. This is a great honor


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This is a great honor. I'm proud of Roger S!
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Matt Miller's 7-round Picks for the Dallas Cowboys
Round 1, Pick 17 C. J. Henderson, CB, Florida
Round 2, Pick 51 James Lynch, DL, Baylor
Round 3, Pick 82 Van Jefferson, WR, Florida
Round 4, Pick 120 Jason Strowbridge, EDGE, North Carolina
Round 5, Pick 165 Geno Stone, S, Iowa
*Round 5, Pick 180 Debione Renfro, S, Texas A&M
Round 7, Pick 232 Reggie Robinson II, S, Tulsa
* denotes potential compensatory pick
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Matt Miller's 7-round Picks for the Dallas Cowboys
Round 1, Pick 17 C. J. Henderson, CB, Florida
Round 2, Pick 51 James Lynch, DL, Baylor
Round 3, Pick 82 Van Jefferson, WR, Florida
Round 4, Pick 120 Jason Strowbridge, EDGE, North Carolina
Round 5, Pick 165 Geno Stone, S, Iowa
*Round 5, Pick 180 Debione Renfro, S, Texas A&M
Round 7, Pick 232 Reggie Robinson II, S, Tulsa
* denotes potential compensatory pick

The end of that draft makes no sense though I have heard that Robinson may be a CB.
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BearForce said:

Assassin said:

Matt Miller's 7-round Picks for the Dallas Cowboys
Round 1, Pick 17 C. J. Henderson, CB, Florida
Round 2, Pick 51 James Lynch, DL, Baylor
Round 3, Pick 82 Van Jefferson, WR, Florida
Round 4, Pick 120 Jason Strowbridge, EDGE, North Carolina
Round 5, Pick 165 Geno Stone, S, Iowa
*Round 5, Pick 180 Debione Renfro, S, Texas A&M
Round 7, Pick 232 Reggie Robinson II, S, Tulsa
* denotes potential compensatory pick

The end of that draft makes no sense though I have heard that Robinson may be a CB.
I have no problem with 3 S if there is a Special Teams ace there plus 2 rotational S/CBs. My guess is that is his thinking
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