I would like to thank God, my family and everyone at USAFA for the development and support. With that being said, I am in the transfer portal. I will be trying to pursuing a graduate school program through the Academy. My recruitment is open.

— Haaziq Daniels (@ziiqq3) December 30, 2022

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Yeah, 7-17 with 40 yards isnt going to attract anyone.

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It's a good thing a season is a 12-plus game sample and not a one-game sample.

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Yeah, but that's the one game everyone watched.

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

bear2be2 said:

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Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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There are athletes that are good enough to overcome poor mechanics, such as Patrick Mahomes, just gifted, I guess.

I do not think that Shapen's poor mechanics & poor decision making are being ignored by Bell, Grimes & Aranda. I think that Bell is not competent enough to develop Shapen into a competent QB, which I base on a season of regression, game in & game out.

I do acknowledge that time will tell & that I could be completely wrong - which I would welcome.

Josh Allen is a perfect example of player and coaching meshing together to create an elite quarterback. He needed great coaching(couldn't hit the broadside of a barn) and he got it. Plus he put in a lot of work. No one in modern football stats(NFL wise) has had a turnaround like Allen.

Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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There are athletes that are good enough to overcome poor mechanics, such as Patrick Mahomes, just gifted, I guess.

I do not think that Shapen's poor mechanics & poor decision making are being ignored by Bell, Grimes & Aranda. I think that Bell is not competent enough to develop Shapen into a competent QB, which I base on a season of regression, game in & game out.

I do acknowledge that time will tell & that I could be completely wrong - which I would welcome.

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I don't think Aranda and staff really have a lot more time to tell. They have had time to tell about the QB issue. If nothing is done, what time is going to tell is whether or not we need a new HC and staff.

Agreed. Extremely concerning it is 1/1, and we have not landed a proven QB in the portal. This is late Mack Brown level bad with good Texas QBs picking THE BIG 10 over Baylor ... Card and Mordecai would rather hand off for three yards and a cloud of dust than be coached by Bell.

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Agreed. Extremely concerning it is 1/1, and we have not landed a proven QB in the portal. This is late Mack Brown level bad with good Texas QBs picking THE BIG 10 over Baylor ... Card and Mordecai would rather hand off for three yards and a cloud of dust than be coached by Bell.

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Hudson and Tanner are going where they will be The Guy this fall, in simpler offenses for QBs. Tanner is also going to get paid, again.

I doubt position coach ranked high on the list of criteria for either QB.

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Futbol Bear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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Tough to make middle infielders QBs! Footwork is contrary to what they naturally do on the BB field.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Agreed. Extremely concerning it is 1/1, and we have not landed a proven QB in the portal. This is late Mack Brown level bad with good Texas QBs picking THE BIG 10 over Baylor ... Card and Mordecai would rather hand off for three yards and a cloud of dust than be coached by Bell.

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We're in a dead period. We'll probably need to get a guy on campus or at least get a home visit to secure a commitment. We're not throwing the type of money around necessary to get a signature sight unseen. Nor do we have a wide open starting position to offer a prospective transfer.

We're going to need to convince someone to come here, and its hard to do that through cell phone conversations and text.

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Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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Tough to make middle infielders QBs! Footwork is contrary to what they naturally do on the BB field.

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You can make them quarterbacks, they're just going to have bad footwork and inconsistent throwing mechanics. If they can succeed despite that, great. But Shapen wouldn't appear to be one of those guys.

Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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There have been a lot of quarterbacks in the history of football at all levels who just weren't up to the task. And a lot of the coaches who failed with those players succeeded in developing others.

To be a good player at any position, but especially quarterback, you not only must have the required physical skills and talent to play the position. You also have to be mentally tough enough to play through your mistakes and confident enough in your abilities to make plays in a game's most important moments.

I don't worry about Blake's skills or talent level. He has the physical tools. I worry very much whether he has the latter. From the BYU game on this past season, he consistently struck me as a mentally fragile, hesitant, scared player. This is why I don't have a lot of confidence in his ability to bounce back from a failed first season as a starter. You can fix the footwork if he'll put in the work. But the areas in which he needs to improve the most are areas that can't be coached. You can't coach mental toughness or confidence into a player. That's something only he can fix.

Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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There are athletes that are good enough to overcome poor mechanics, such as Patrick Mahomes, just gifted, I guess.

I do not think that Shapen's poor mechanics & poor decision making are being ignored by Bell, Grimes & Aranda. I think that Bell is not competent enough to develop Shapen into a competent QB, which I base on a season of regression, game in & game out.

I do acknowledge that time will tell & that I could be completely wrong - which I would welcome.

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Agree.
Bell may not be skilled enough to get measurable improvements from any QBs. Check the resume. Has he ever developed at QB with any accolades? Compare him to Garrett Riley at TCU or Kittley at Tech

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You're right. People don't like boring schemes. They also don't like not making money.

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There's nothing boring about a dominant power run game. Our issue is that we sacrificed that to go with Shapen and it turned out he wasn't good at the things he was supposed to be. So our running game got worse and our passing game didn't improve.

There's nothing wrong with our scheme. We just need a better trigger man. The staff seems to want Shapen to be that guy and thinks he can be. But as long as he's around, his specter will keep any suitable replacement from committing to us because no quarterback wants to risk sitting and having to enter our re-enter the portal next year or the year after.

The moral of this story is that in the transfer portal era, you have absolutely got to get your quarterback decisions right. If you don't, you can set your program back years.

When we chose Shapen over Gerry last spring, that was a multi-year decision. It looks like a flop so far, but we're basically committed to it at this point. We need Shapen to get better or get out of the way. But as long as he's here, it's going to be difficult to attract a replacement worth his salt.

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I can't help but wonder how Shapen would perform with the Abram Smith and Tristan Ebner type running backs to rely on. When we needed 2-3 hard yards we had the ability and confidence to get it. The two best backs we had this year weren't even 200lbs. Maybe our scheme and the plan for Shapen just wasn't there.

bear2be2 said:

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Futbol Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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If you don't have NIL money, you need a staff that can coach a quarterback up and has that reputation. We had that with Glen Thomas when Matt Rhule was here. I just don't think Shawn Bell is that guy. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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Gerry Bohanon exceeded all preseason expectations for him under Bell's tutelage last year.

This "Shawn Bell sucks" narrative is really odd because it's based on a one-year sample and one player -- Blake Shapen.

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The reason he's getting knocked look at how Shapen regressed this season. Throwing off his back foot in game 13. That's something that should have been corrected in the off season . Bohannon did a good job but everyone saw his throwing needed to be corrected

Its not odd when you look at his body of work. Who has he coached previously that excelled at QB, Compare his resume to Garrett Riley or Kittley at Tech.
Potential transfers will look and ask how can I level up here?

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I think there's a good chance Blake Shapen is just a mediocre, fragile player. I put more blame on Grimes and Aranda for choosing him over Gerry than I do Bell for not developing him in one season.

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I agree it is likely that BS is a mediocre QB, however can we place no responsibility with Bell? His job is to develop the QB & it seems clear that BS has regressed. Week in & week out BS was making the same technical mistakes with regards to footwork & decision making, which begs the question: what was happening in practice?

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Patrick Mahomes is still making the same technical mistakes he's made with regards to footwork since high school. He just happens to be really good. Coaching matters obviously, but ultimately it's up to the player to respond to coaching and apply it.

Do you really think Shawn Bell and Jeff Grimes are watching film of Blake Shapen making inaccurate throws off his back foot and just ignoring it? Bad habits are hard to break. And a lot of players are really stubborn. A lot of times you'll see guys with Shapen's footwork issues either learn to play at a competent level that way -- Brock Purdy and Spencer Sanders are two good examples -- or get replaced because they can't. It's not easy to break a career worth of bad habits in a 20-year-old -- particularly when given only a few years with said player.

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It's possible Shapen is a fantastic film and practice QB. It's no easy feat to make a throw with a 300 pound man draped all over you for the 4th time this drive.

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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You're right. People don't like boring schemes. They also don't like not making money.

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There's nothing boring about a dominant power run game. Our issue is that we sacrificed that to go with Shapen and it turned out he wasn't good at the things he was supposed to be. So our running game got worse and our passing game didn't improve.

There's nothing wrong with our scheme. We just need a better trigger man. The staff seems to want Shapen to be that guy and thinks he can be. But as long as he's around, his specter will keep any suitable replacement from committing to us because no quarterback wants to risk sitting and having to enter our re-enter the portal next year or the year after.

The moral of this story is that in the transfer portal era, you have absolutely got to get your quarterback decisions right. If you don't, you can set your program back years.

When we chose Shapen over Gerry last spring, that was a multi-year decision. It looks like a flop so far, but we're basically committed to it at this point. We need Shapen to get better or get out of the way. But as long as he's here, it's going to be difficult to attract a replacement worth his salt.

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I can't help but wonder how Shapen would perform with the Abram Smith and Tristan Ebner type running backs to rely on. When we needed 2-3 hard yards we had the ability and confidence to get it. The two best backs we had this year weren't even 200lbs. Maybe our scheme and the plan for Shapen just wasn't there.

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That's one question. I wonder if those guys would have been workhorses with Shapen at QB? We routinely ignore that Bohannon extended drives with his legs AND had to be accounted for by defenses.

BBWCBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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You're right. People don't like boring schemes. They also don't like not making money.

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There's nothing boring about a dominant power run game. Our issue is that we sacrificed that to go with Shapen and it turned out he wasn't good at the things he was supposed to be. So our running game got worse and our passing game didn't improve.

There's nothing wrong with our scheme. We just need a better trigger man. The staff seems to want Shapen to be that guy and thinks he can be. But as long as he's around, his specter will keep any suitable replacement from committing to us because no quarterback wants to risk sitting and having to enter our re-enter the portal next year or the year after.

The moral of this story is that in the transfer portal era, you have absolutely got to get your quarterback decisions right. If you don't, you can set your program back years.

When we chose Shapen over Gerry last spring, that was a multi-year decision. It looks like a flop so far, but we're basically committed to it at this point. We need Shapen to get better or get out of the way. But as long as he's here, it's going to be difficult to attract a replacement worth his salt.

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I can't help but wonder how Shapen would perform with the Abram Smith and Tristan Ebner type running backs to rely on. When we needed 2-3 hard yards we had the ability and confidence to get it. The two best backs we had this year weren't even 200lbs. Maybe our scheme and the plan for Shapen just wasn't there.

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I don't know if you can blame the running game. Maybe that we didn't have receivers that could get separation. We pretty much lived on crossing patterns. Maybe it is just a perception, but we did not seem to have many plays on sidelines where we seemed to lost contested balls and not separate.

I know there was talk he was seeking $3 million. I'm sure he didn't get that to stay at CC. Guess the rumored asking price was wrong or there were no takers at that price.

Grayson McCall has withdrawn from the transfer portal.

He’ll return to Coastal Carolina next year. pic.twitter.com/BBZk5ucHOC

— Unnecessary Roughness (@UnnecRoughness) January 1, 2023

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I know there was talk he was seeking $3 million. I'm sure he didn't get that to stay at CC. Guess the rumored asking price was wrong or there were no takers at that price.

Grayson McCall has withdrawn from the transfer portal.

He’ll return to Coastal Carolina next year. pic.twitter.com/BBZk5ucHOC

— Unnecessary Roughness (@UnnecRoughness) January 1, 2023

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Yea, funny how things work out. He was lauded as one of the top QBs in the portal.
I don't believe it was NIL money that was the issues.

More like the reports that he had grade issues which wouldn't allow him into D1 schools.

So he's back to EC and we still only have one scholarship QB.

Coastal Carolina is division 1 in the Sunbelt Conf. But yes I had heard that about his grades.

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Isn't Coastal Carolina Div 1 but at a UNT or Texas State like level? But yes I had heard that about his grades.

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Yup, TX St level

I always assumed motivated P5s would have a way to somehow work around a grades issue

boognish_bear said:

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I always assumed motivated P5s would have a way to somehow work around a grades issue

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All depends on Admissions.

FWIW....they have Spencer Sanders ranked as the 4th best QB available in the portal

Coastal Carolina QB Grayson McCall has withdrawn from the transfer portal, @TheAthletic can confirm.

Huge for new HC Tim Beck to hold onto the 3x Sun Belt Player of the Year. McCall was No. 2 in our best available ranks: https://t.co/YMalpXKPCD

— Max Olson (@max_olson) January 1, 2023

Good grief, I'm sorry but if you can't make passing grades at Coastal Carolina as a star football player that has an army of tutors at your disposal, I don't know what to tell you.

I know some smart people who did poorly in school. Traditional American schooling just wasn't how their brain worked or they didn't see the point in studying for something like Calculus that they'd never use again. Also doubt CCU has as many tutors as Alabama. Plus the portal and NIL combo is pretty new. McCall could've coasted by early on doing the bare minimum to be eligible for game time, which if that's the case it hurt him playing at a P5, but he probably never thought that was an option until this past year.

boykin_spaniel said:

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I know some smart people who did poorly in school. Traditional American schooling just wasn't how their brain worked or they didn't see the point in studying for something like Calculus that they'd never use again. Also doubt CCU has as many tutors as Alabama. Plus the portal and NIL combo is pretty new. McCall could've coasted by early on doing the bare minimum to be eligible for game time, which if that's the case it hurt him playing at a P5, but he probably never thought that was an option until this past year.

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I don't follow much Coastal Carolina football, but I feel like he's pretty much their best football player ever. Helped put them on the map. I'm sure they have resources for him that regular students at that school don't have. I have experienced firsthand how many athletes don't take advantage of those resources. In any event, I kind of wonder if he won't just declare for the draft if he can't transfer

I think he'll stay. The new coach runs an offense slightly more friendly to the NFL. McCall was basically running the modern triple option. Really fun to watch but probably gets pretty negative marks from pro scouts.

Coastal is very new to football. 2003 first team, 2017 first FBS season. Not sure they've had the time or experience to create a program like Alabama with an insane amount of support staff. Chadwell was one of the lowest paid coaches in all of FBS. Giant support staffs make it a little easier for a kid to find themselves sitting down with a tutor.

boykin_spaniel said:

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I think he'll stay. The new coach runs an offense slightly more friendly to the NFL. McCall was basically running the modern triple option. Really fun to watch but probably gets pretty negative marks from pro scouts.

Coastal is very new to football. 2003 first team, 2017 first FBS season. Not sure they've had the time or experience to create a program like Alabama with an insane amount of support staff. Chadwell was one of the lowest paid coaches in all of FBS. Giant support staffs make it a little easier for a kid to find themselves sitting down with a tutor.

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Sometimes it is more than that. My daughter tutored at an ACC school. She spoke very highly of the school and its efforts to help student athletes succeed. (I don't want to name school) But, she said it was sad, too many of these kids have absolutely no chance of academic success at some of the higher level academic schools they are recruited and have to rely on tutors to undo decades of being behind. There is only so much that a tutor can make up. She said it is really heartbreaking because it is not usually because of a lack of effort but there is only so much remedial work you can do in the time they have.

She works in academia after her Masters and really is disheartened by how poorly prepared many are that you would never know looking at their transcript. They go to an Ivy League school and are done when they walk through the door.

The kid simply may just not have the academic base to succeed at a top 50 academic school.

Coastal is definitely an upstart that is on the fast track similar to UCF. They got their big break when former TDAmeritrade CEO Joe Moglia retired from his job to come and coach them. They let him have the job bc he brought all of his $$ with him to pay for the schools facilities. They have a nice campus now with a great baseball filed and a pretty nice football field. I went up there to the Myrtle Beach bowl last year and it was a nice little school & campus. I want to go back again for a home game when they play App St or Troy or one of the other good sunbelt teams.

muddybrazos said:

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Coastal is definitely an upstart that is on the fast track similar to UCF. They got their big break when former TDAmeritrade CEO Joe Moglia retired from his job to come and coach them. They let him have the job bc he brought all of his $$ with him to pay for the schools facilities. They have a nice campus now with a great baseball filed and a pretty nice football field. I went up there to the Myrtle Beach bowl last year and it was a nice little school & campus. I want to go back again for a home game when they play App St or Troy or one of the other good sunbelt teams.

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They have a good Baseball program if I remember correctly. They are in the other for the 2023 Baseball Rankings. Not top 25, but top 35ish.

We need to find some unsigned 3+ star high school QBs. There are still a few available. For example this kid had a serious injury his junior year. Might make sense.

Too late. Committed to the U yesterday.

https://247sports.com/player/vic-sutton-46111732/

Dave Aranda said this is the month Baylor will prioritize a QB from the portal.

Whether he ends up in Waco or not, former ULM quarterback Chandler Rogers will make a Power Five team very happy:https://t.co/AsylNx3Z1F

— Cameron Stuart (@realcamstuart) January 2, 2023