Some how an advocate circle jerk stirred up a few to stir it up with her, who was connected to producers and people who control college football.

Forest Bueller said:

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NoBSU said:

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boognish_bear said:

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You guys seem to not understand that there isn't a cure for stupid.

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Brenda has issues that cannot be resolved even with the retribution tour she is on.

She is mentally ill at some level, and simply is hunting revenge at this stage.

There are legit people who are in her "industry" that deal in reform, forgiveness and reconciliation. Brenda is only about payback, paycheck, unforgiveness, retribution, then blackballing the subjects of her ire.

The saddest part of her shtick is that she seems to dole out forgiveness liberally to the corrupt big boys of football who have taken the time to grease $$$$$$$$ her wheels.

At some point even the SJW crowd will realize she is crazy.

and how do you erase an accidental double post?

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Note: You won't see ESPN headlining this news. Nor will you see Stephen A. Smith and Paul Finebaun eat any crow.

It's unfortunate so many in the media rushed to extreme judgement before all information came to light.

Briles messed up. Yep. Is he the devil? No.

Time to move on. Sic'Liberty!

Malbec: (forgot to quote your post)

I will answer what A B C is later. Too early and not enough coffee.


I agree the beating he has taken from the SJWs and lazy media has been harsh and excessive. His actions and inactions certainly rise to a level of being dismissed as Baylor's HC, and possibly not deserving a HC job on the College level (emphasis added on both HC & College level)

What he is not is evil incarnate. He was lax. He shielded his players to a fault. This should not make him the poster child for sexual violence against women.

Very few don't deserve a second chance and Briles certainly deserves one. The Ti-Cats actually would have been the ideal spot. I do think both he and the Ti-Cats greatly under estimated the public on this, who are fueled by that unjustified criticism.

Will post justified criticism later.

BEAR RAMMAGE said:

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"We don't have proof but we still think you're responsible for what transpired...even though nothing suggests you're responsible, it wasn't our fault...its your fault...this is a football problem, not a higher up problem".

-BOR

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This isn't what the letter said.

It addressed a few issues of direct involvement.

It doesn't mean that his people didn't badly mishandle complaints.

80sBEAR said:

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The Liberal Loonies on our BOR wanted Ken Starr gone and seized their opportunity. They also wanted to "protect the brand" and not let the outside world know that Baylor students have premarital sex. Briles and the football program were just collateral damage. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. It is still shocking to me that not ONE man or woman on our BOR had the integrity or backbone to step up. Not one.

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You guys are making way too much out of this letter. Typical for how things have gone around here.

It doesn't exonerate Briles. It only addresses matters of direct involvement.

BEAR RAMMAGE said:

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Sooner or later Baylor is going to have to explain EXACTLY why they fired Briles.

We now know it wasn't because he had contact with anyone who reported to him directly claiming to be the victim of sexual assault or that he directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials.

If they fired him for INDIRECTLY discouraging an ALLEGED victim of sexual assault...then Baylor has some SERIOUS explaining to do. Specifically why any assistant coach etc. hasn't been named in any lawsuits or guilty under title IX.

If I find out that they took the word of hearsay as fact...then I'm going to be VERY ANGRY.

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They have explained. The letter doesn't say he's innocent. The letter addresses only a few direct actions.

The bottom line was that his program was especially negligent on following Title IX.

He himself put it best when he said that he was captain of the ship. He was the person ultimately responsible. That's a higher level than direct involvement.

Keyser Soze said:

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Malbec: (forgot to quote your post)

I will answer what A B C is later. Too early and not enough coffee.


I agree the beating he has taken from the SJWs and lazy media has been harsh and excessive. His actions and inactions certainly rise to a level of being dismissed as Baylor's HC, and possibly not deserving a HC job on the College level (emphasis added on both HC & College level)

What he is not is evil incarnate. He was lax. He shielded his players to a fault. This should not make him the poster child for sexual violence against women.

Very few don't deserve a second chance and Briles certainly deserves one. The Ti-Cats actually would have been the ideal spot. I do think both he and the Ti-Cats greatly under estimated the public on this, who are fueled by that unjustified criticism.

Will post justified criticism later.

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I can agree with this. Baylor bought him out so he's compensated. Both the coordinators have new jobs. I'm ok with him sitting out a year or 2 and rebuilding his brand somewhere else like countless have before. I'm not ok for him to be the poster child for sexual assault. The hate is unreal and I feel like if the CFL was going to leak this letter they should have done it before firing him.

Xiled, I've said it a couple times but I think you should get some counseling or something. You've got too much hate bottled up.

Everyone, PLEASE stop posting B. Tracy tweets. We know what she is at this point. Just block her on Twitter and move on.

It makes me sick this crap comes out the day before or day of games. Can we not air this all out in the offseason!?

Rhule is going to be great at Baylor I honestly believe that. We hit it out of the park landing him. Now let's support him and look forward.

George Truett said:

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BEAR RAMMAGE said:

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"We don't have proof but we still think you're responsible for what transpired...even though nothing suggests you're responsible, it wasn't our fault...its your fault...this is a football problem, not a higher up problem".

-BOR

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This isn't what the letter said.

It addressed a few issues of direct involvement.

It doesn't mean that his people didn't badly mishandle complaints.

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Did anybody consider that maybe there actually wasn't any complaints. There's never been any proof of this there's never been any court discussion about this . these are just accusations from girls standing in line for million dollar checks that they are only entitled to if there were in fact complaints made to baylor staff and ignored

If it wasn't official then, it should be now:

Baylor leadership are a bunch of idiots. Looking at the facts its hard to conclude otherwise:

1. ONE person who played a single down of football convicted of rape. He was then kicked off the team
2. Baylor legal sends a letter to CAB that, basically, we know you didn't cover anything up or encourage anyone to
3. We fired not only the best coach Baylor has ever had (and I would argue, will ever have in my lifetime), but we fired a good Christian man and we ruined his life as well as the lives of many assistants

There's a reason FSU, Auburn, etc. are more respected and have a better program than us. And it states with the dumbass BOR. I was never one of the anti-BORs....I am now

I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

Bearster said:

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If it wasn't official then, it should be now:

Baylor leadership are a bunch of idiots. Looking at the facts its hard to conclude otherwise:

1. ONE person who played a single down of football convicted of rape. He was then kicked off the team
2. Baylor legal sends a letter to CAB that, basically, we know you didn't cover anything up or encourage anyone to
3. We fired not only the best coach Baylor has ever had (and I would argue, will ever have in my lifetime), but we fired a good Christian man and we ruined his life as well as the lives of many assistants

There's a reason FSU, Auburn, etc. are more respected and have a better program than us. And it states with the dumbass BOR. I was never one of the anti-BORs....I am now

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I told Bearstruth and BaylorFans 3-4 years ago that I was not a member of the BAA but that group had every right to exists. I posted that the masses were sitting on their hands and saying "funeral parlor" and "who cares" but you should have taken the time to stand up to some bully regents running the BOR. That SOMEDAY THE BOR WAS GOING TO COME AFTER SOMETHING THAT YOU CARED ABOUT. If Baylor alumni are still on the fence on secretive regents that have plenty of agendas and zero accountability, then they deserve this.

I'm not talking about columnist with either ESPN or DMN but in terms of what they reported. Most of it came from a few Regents who planted these stories about Briles for some really odd reason considering the BOR official position as stated in the year later letter.

I'm trying to figure out still why the letter and why release now. Unless Baylor sent the letter as sort of an implied letter of recommendation to future potential employers and it was released now publicly in response to Briles having been fired after a few hours with the CFL team so everyone can see Briles should still be employable as a coach as even Baylor says it turns out he didn't do anything.

Robemcdo said:

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George Truett said:

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BEAR RAMMAGE said:

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"We don't have proof but we still think you're responsible for what transpired...even though nothing suggests you're responsible, it wasn't our fault...its your fault...this is a football problem, not a higher up problem".

-BOR

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This isn't what the letter said.

It addressed a few issues of direct involvement.

It doesn't mean that his people didn't badly mishandle complaints.

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Did anybody consider that maybe there actually wasn't any complaints. There's never been any proof of this there's never been any court discussion about this . these are just accusations from girls standing in line for million dollar checks that they are only entitled to if there were in fact complaints made to baylor staff and ignored

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bearwitness has already switches to ALL CAPS. It is going to be a rough week-end for you guys trying to sell the no rapes happened here shtick.

I still don't understand why the hell its the university's responsibility to investigate these claims. Its soo stupid. Refer the matters to the Waco PD. And here is a signed letter from Christopher Holmes, the lead consel from our side that just puts the whole narrative to waste. WHY DID we fire Briles, if nothing was his fault? We have sucky lawyers, sucky PR and sucky administration.

George Truett said:

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BEAR RAMMAGE said:

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"We don't have proof but we still think you're responsible for what transpired...even though nothing suggests you're responsible, it wasn't our fault...its your fault...this is a football problem, not a higher up problem".

-BOR

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This isn't what the letter said.

It addressed a few issues of direct involvement.

It doesn't mean that his people didn't badly mishandle complaints.

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Ahh George truett you finally come out of hiding. Please read the letter again. It states that briles can make public statements without worry of contradiction from Baylor. Meaning when briles stated he didn't cover up sexual assaults he was telling the truth. Quick question is this Brenda Tracy?

What this thread means is that the transition from Baylor Fans to 365 is now complete!

"Coach you can say anything you want. Anything, below the stereo, and on this side of the Bicentennial glasses. Anything between the ashtray, and the thimbles. Anything in this three inches. Right in here, this area, that includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers."

Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

quash said:

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"Coach you can say anything you want. Anything, below the stereo, and on this side of the Bicentennial glasses. Anything between the ashtray, and the thimbles. Anything in this three inches. Right in here, this area, that includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers."

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I only have that movie on VHS. I may dig it out and hook up a player.

Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Crickets

NoBSU said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Crickets

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Yeah ***** y'all were saying crickets when I told you briles was innocent and that I knew the truth not you're still talking **** trying to ignore me it's ok though more truth will come out and I'll be right back here to rub it in your faces

Bearwitness8223 said:

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NoBSU said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Crickets

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Yeah ***** y'all were saying crickets when I told you briles was innocent and that I knew the truth not you're still talking **** trying to ignore me it's ok though more truth will come out and I'll be right back here to rub it in your faces

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You And Robe Against The World
Lyrics

You and Robe against the world,
Sometimes it seems like you and Robe against the world,
When all the others turn their backs and walked away,
You can count on Robe to stay.

Remember when the circus came to town
How Robe was frightened by the clown,
Wasn't it nice to be around someone that you knew,
Someone who was big and strong and looking out for

You and Robe against the world,
Sometimes it seems like you and Robe against the world
And for all the times we've cried I always felt that
God was on your side.

And when one of you is gone,
And one of you is left to carry on,
Then remembering will have to do,
Our memories alone will get us through
Think about the days of Robe and you,
Of you and Robe against the world.

Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Prosecutors did not cheat, and I say this as one who will never miss a chance to call out prosecutors.

quash said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Prosecutors did not cheat, and I say this as one who will never miss a chance to call out prosecutors.

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You might want to take a closer look

NoBSU said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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NoBSU said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Crickets

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Yeah ***** y'all were saying crickets when I told you briles was innocent and that I knew the truth not you're still talking **** trying to ignore me it's ok though more truth will come out and I'll be right back here to rub it in your faces

---

You And Robe Against The World
Lyrics

You and Robe against the world,
Sometimes it seems like you and Robe against the world,
When all the others turn their backs and walked away,
You can count on Robe to stay.

Remember when the circus came to town
How Robe was frightened by the clown,
Wasn't it nice to be around someone that you knew,
Someone who was big and strong and looking out for

You and Robe against the world,
Sometimes it seems like you and Robe against the world
And for all the times we've cried I always felt that
God was on your side.

And when one of you is gone,
And one of you is left to carry on,
Then remembering will have to do,
Our memories alone will get us through
Think about the days of Robe and you,
Of you and Robe against the world.

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That was beautiful . Your best work yet

The Fact that "this" and many things much worse will come out on gameday is a reality supporters of our School and program are going to have to endure for the next couple of years. If Baylor has a winning record when we play Texas, we can imagine what the coverage is going to be like.

I don't see a lot to make of the letter, which appears to be coincidental to the victim settlement announced about a month later. Perhaps it was an effort to close off the linkage to Briles Settlement money in the victim suit, thereby getting closure in that case.

I think it's funny that some of y'all made a huge deal about a ridiculously selective one-sided pleading last year, but make little of this letter. It says a lot about you.

Kite23 said:

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I still don't understand why the hell its the university's responsibility to investigate these claims. Its soo stupid. Refer the matters to the Waco PD. And here is a signed letter from Christopher Holmes, the lead consel from our side that just puts the whole narrative to waste. WHY DID we fire Briles, if nothing was his fault? We have sucky lawyers, sucky PR and sucky administration.

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Bad things happened, publicity blew up, Briles was captain of the ship, he had to go. That part isn't particularly complicated.

quash said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Prosecutors did not cheat, and I say this as one who will never miss a chance to call out prosecutors.

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I'm not sure what constitutes "cheating," and I don't remember every detail, but it looks like they may have lied about some phone records in the Sam Ukuwachu case.

D. C. Bear said:

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quash said:

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Bearwitness8223 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am most saddened that this came out on the day of our first game. I thought I could come here and hear about Baylor football.

On this topic, it looks like briles was guilty of what we all thought he was. Which is who knows exactly, but definitely not trying to cover up rape. That is what papers like the Dallas daily news (that's the one right) and desperate-for-ratings-ESPN have either outright said or implied, that has taken such a toll on the reputation of the university.

This is another blow to the credibility of the current Baylor administration and regents. For this to come out on this particular day, and especially for it to come out so late after the begging of Baylor alums for information, is incompetence.

Anyways, again, none of us know what happened. It seems like we will slowly find out over the coming decade.

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I'll tell you what happened prosecutors cheated to win convictions and the media o erreacted to a horrible injustice and that injustice carried over to briles and Baylor

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Prosecutors did not cheat, and I say this as one who will never miss a chance to call out prosecutors.

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I'm not sure what constitutes "cheating," and I don't remember every detail, but it looks like they may have lied about some phone records in the Sam Ukuwachu case.

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Screwing with a young mans life by lying like this is considered cheating in my book. We can only hope they get theirs in the end!

PartyBear said:

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I'm trying to figure out still why the letter and why release now. Unless Baylor sent the letter as sort of an implied letter of recommendation to future potential employers and it was released now publicly in response to Briles having been fired after a few hours with the CFL team so everyone can see Briles should still be employable as a coach as even Baylor says it turns out he didn't do anything.

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My understanding is the CFL team released it under the PR heat of the backlash of them trying to hire CAB.

NoBSU said:

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I told Bearstruth and BaylorFans 3-4 years ago that I was not a member of the BAA but that group had every right to exists. I posted that the masses were sitting on their hands and saying "funeral parlor" and "who cares" but you should have taken the time to stand up to some bully regents running the BOR. That SOMEDAY THE BOR WAS GOING TO COME AFTER SOMETHING THAT YOU CARED ABOUT. If Baylor alumni are still on the fence on secretive regents that have plenty of agendas and zero accountability, then they deserve this.

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Man, ain't it the truth. So BOR supporters that missed that boat, only to have it run up on McLane.

D. C. Bear said:

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I'm not sure what constitutes "cheating," and I don't remember every detail, but it looks like they may have lied about some phone records in the Sam Ukuwachu case.

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We'll see on appeal. This guy has been making blanket statements about the DAs involved, and when asked for specifics goes on rants that reveal an ignorance of how the criminal justice system works. This appeal is part of how the system works.

I have a variety of issues with the McLennan County DA and how cases are handled (my clients' cases specifically), but none of it rises to the charges this dude keeps spewing.

At some point of time both legal teams realized the Pacific Islander's phone records were nor on USA Central Time. The prosecutors were using the records to counter Tagive's testimony that was in opposition to the accuser. Prosecutor's saw what helped them and pushed Tagive hard on that. I don't see that as a problem. You are the attorney quash. I will let you take it from here.