chukronos said:

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chukronos said:

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So, either the leaders of our university were lying when they made it seem like Briles was at fault, or they are lying in the letter. Either way, they are dirtbags and an embarrassment to our school and , even more so, to Christianity.

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Nope

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yep.

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Remember that Coach Grobe vetted all the assistant coaches and determined that they had done nothing wrong either. Art Briles and his assistant coaches all are not guilty. The BOR simply wanted to appease the media so they blamed everything on the coaching staff. It was the wrong thing to do.

I specifically remember being told that our problems were solved when we hired Ian because he had experience from places like Notre Dame and knew how to run a compliance group in college athletics.

What were Ian's responsibilities? Didn't he at least have a performance review?

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BU84BEAR said:

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So, either the leaders of our university were lying when they made it seem like Briles was at fault, or they are lying in the letter. Either way, they are dirtbags and an embarrassment to our school and , even more so, to Christianity.

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The letter suggests he did his job but his subordinates didn't and they should have been fired and not him.

What''s the point? Why say a thing? If you want the world to know he did something to get fired, letters like this don't help your case.

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So, maybe he was terminated for something other than one of the 3 specific things in the letter?

The letter was not addressed to anyone other than Briles. Since Briles did not immediately publish it when received to clear his name, there may have been a reasonable basis to not expect the letter to be made public

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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner !

Things not addressed in the letter:

Football had it's own internal system of justis
17 alleged victims implicating 19 players with 4 of them being gang rapes.
Briles knew of at least one gang rape and didn't report it outside athletics.
Football managed Elliots academic probation when JA should have.
Briles had a system where he was kept in the dark
Shillinglaw fixed things left and right
Assistant coaches met with victims


this thread is filled with people who have no idea what a venn diagram is

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What assistant coaches met with victims?
You say this over and over again
Which coaches?????

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Doris Lozano (domestic assault not sexual assault) met with Lebby. The volleyball player's parents met with 2 assistants one of which was reported as the Strength and Conditioning Coach soon after the rape. Someone sent a Bruin to talk Armstead's victim out of reporting rape to the police. If you can decide the motivation of the BOR based on what is obvious to you, then I can decide who might have sent the Bruin based on what is "obvious" to me.

(I am being facetious, but it is plausible)

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No no no. Delores DID NOT meet with Leb.
Kaz DID NOT meet with parents. That is just incorrect BS. Are you a regent?

Briles was wronged by an out of control BOI that emotionally reacted to a media storm largely created by longhorn/ESPN media and the fact that Starr was our president. That pushed the story into more media like the NY Slimes etc.

How do you start new threads? Do you have to have a certain number of posts first?

Is there no HD for the game today on FS2?

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How do you start new threads? Do you have to have a certain number of posts first?

Is there no HD for the game today on FS2?

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Yep, but it is a small number and maybe a day or two wait. I think they check IP addresses/emails to prevent one person having several usernames.

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chukronos said:

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So, either the leaders of our university were lying when they made it seem like Briles was at fault, or they are lying in the letter. Either way, they are dirtbags and an embarrassment to our school and , even more so, to Christianity.

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The letter suggests he did his job but his subordinates didn't and they should have been fired and not him.

What''s the point? Why say a thing? If you want the world to know he did something to get fired, letters like this don't help your case.

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So, maybe he was terminated for something other than one of the 3 specific things in the letter?

The letter was not addressed to anyone other than Briles. Since Briles did not immediately publish it when received to clear his name, there may have been a reasonable basis to not expect the letter to be made public

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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner !

Things not addressed in the letter:

Football had it's own internal system of justis
17 alleged victims implicating 19 players with 4 of them being gang rapes.
Briles knew of at least one gang rape and didn't report it outside athletics.
Football managed Elliots academic probation when JA should have.
Briles had a system where he was kept in the dark
Shillinglaw fixed things left and right
Assistant coaches met with victims


this thread is filled with people who have no idea what a venn diagram is

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What assistant coaches met with victims?
You say this over and over again
Which coaches?????

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Doris Lozano (domestic assault not sexual assault) met with Lebby. The volleyball player's parents met with 2 assistants one of which was reported as the Strength and Conditioning Coach soon after the rape. Someone sent a Bruin to talk Armstead's victim out of reporting rape to the police. If you can decide the motivation of the BOR based on what is obvious to you, then I can decide who might have sent the Bruin based on what is "obvious" to me.

(I am being facetious, but it is plausible)

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No no no. Delores DID NOT meet with Leb.
Kaz DID NOT meet with parents. That is just incorrect BS. Are you a regent?

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The book Violated states "the Strength and Conditioning Coach met with parents" I didnt say Kaz.

Sorry, but this Waco Trib article says she reported it directly to Jeff Lebby:

http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/football/baylor-graduate-to-file-lawsuit-claiming-coaches-failed-to-act/article_357df960-7622-59f2-8aae-27c5acc30399.html

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chukronos said:

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So, either the leaders of our university were lying when they made it seem like Briles was at fault, or they are lying in the letter. Either way, they are dirtbags and an embarrassment to our school and , even more so, to Christianity.

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Nope

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yep.

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Remember that Coach Grobe vetted all the assistant coaches and determined that they had done nothing wrong either. Art Briles and his assistant coaches all are not guilty. The BOR simply wanted to appease the media so they blamed everything on the coaching staff. It was the wrong thing to do.

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Grobe told reporters he knew of "absolutely no issues or problems" involving assistant coaches in those findings.

Not knowing of any problems is not the same thing as vetting.

Keyser Soze said:

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chukronos said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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chukronos said:

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So, either the leaders of our university were lying when they made it seem like Briles was at fault, or they are lying in the letter. Either way, they are dirtbags and an embarrassment to our school and , even more so, to Christianity.

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Nope

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yep.

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Remember that Coach Grobe vetted all the assistant coaches and determined that they had done nothing wrong either. Art Briles and his assistant coaches all are not guilty. The BOR simply wanted to appease the media so they blamed everything on the coaching staff. It was the wrong thing to do.

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Grobe told reporters he knew of "absolutely no issues or problems" involving assistant coaches in those findings.

Not knowing of any problems is not the same thing as vetting.

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A David Garland deposition comes to mind reading your post.

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Sooner or later Baylor is going to have to explain EXACTLY why they fired Briles.

We now know it wasn't because he had contact with anyone who reported to him directly claiming to be the victim of sexual assault or that he directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials.

If they fired him for INDIRECTLY discouraging an ALLEGED victim of sexual assault...then Baylor has some SERIOUS explaining to do. Specifically why any assistant coach etc. hasn't been named in any lawsuits or guilty under title IX.

If I find out that they took the word of hearsay as fact...then I'm going to be VERY ANGRY.

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They have explained. The letter doesn't say he's innocent. The letter addresses only a few direct actions.

The bottom line was that his program was especially negligent on following Title IX.

He himself put it best when he said that he was captain of the ship. He was the person ultimately responsible. That's a higher level than direct involvement.

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Just curious . . . do you think the Baylor administration was negligent in following Title IX considering that 90% of the complaints did not involve any athletes? Do you think that simply reassigning Starr was sufficient to address those shortcomings? Apparently you do. You seem satisfied with punishing the figureheads and resorting to business as usual.

I have had a special place in my heart for Baylor that has been hugely tarnished because they were willing to destroy a handful of people to protect themselves instead of taking their medicine. That is a very dishonorable trait in a human being and in my opinion is dishonorable for Baylor.

I don't know how Baylor atones for that without showing contrition. Some of you seem content just to turn the page, but there has been a huge injustice that has not been righted. I care.

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I'm going to say this again, so you can grasp the bigger picture.

Give any positive indicator and you're eliminating your own ability to persuasively tell others the reasons why he left the organization. You're logic is out of touch with the people reading the letter than want to know if there was a reason. All that matters is Baylor in this case, we aren't in the business of managing Arts career.

You can say he was innocent. You can say he did nothing. But do that and you can forget saying you had a reason to fire him

You can't have it both ways. There is no middle in this situation that suits Baylor. It would have been wise to not say a thing.

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These regents are the kings of parsing words and having it both ways. When they had Starr, it was an artform. They carefully worded statements against Briles. They carefully worded statement for Briles.

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Why would you not carefully word something - especially when litigation is flying left and right

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You would, but TMYLM said Baylor can't have it both ways. My point is they actually can have it both ways and a dozen other ways the way they can draft statements.

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How is that working out for the Baylor brand in the public's perception about now? We trashed him when we fired him, then are turning around and picking some selective things to put in a letter.
But no, no one at the top other than Briles bears any guilt. Good luck selling that, it doesn't seem to be working.


Btw, I don't need a justification from this to fire him, i was done when he did his back alley routine at UT. I'm talking about defending the Baylor brand. It was abundantly clear a long time ago that Art was given free reign and had no monitoring, oversight, or management from anyone at Baylor university.

People told me, "Ian does a good job because he stays out of Arts way.""

Art ran his own university across the street and no one had the balls to go get involved because they liked the money. That's what happened. Trying to tell people that it isn't run by football is a straight up lie.

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Even if CAB ran the university as you suggest (which is ridiculous), it would have been the administration's job to rein him in . . . not to let him run things. They are responsible either way. Then after the PH/BOR findings of fact, their solution is simply to fire him when they started feeling the heat (even though they had known the facts for at least a year and had chosen to retain him). Total mismanagement pure and simple.

Chuckroast said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I'm going to say this again, so you can grasp the bigger picture.

Give any positive indicator and you're eliminating your own ability to persuasively tell others the reasons why he left the organization. You're logic is out of touch with the people reading the letter than want to know if there was a reason. All that matters is Baylor in this case, we aren't in the business of managing Arts career.

You can say he was innocent. You can say he did nothing. But do that and you can forget saying you had a reason to fire him

You can't have it both ways. There is no middle in this situation that suits Baylor. It would have been wise to not say a thing.

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These regents are the kings of parsing words and having it both ways. When they had Starr, it was an artform. They carefully worded statements against Briles. They carefully worded statement for Briles.

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Why would you not carefully word something - especially when litigation is flying left and right

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You would, but TMYLM said Baylor can't have it both ways. My point is they actually can have it both ways and a dozen other ways the way they can draft statements.

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How is that working out for the Baylor brand in the public's perception about now? We trashed him when we fired him, then are turning around and picking some selective things to put in a letter.
But no, no one at the top other than Briles bears any guilt. Good luck selling that, it doesn't seem to be working.


Btw, I don't need a justification from this to fire him, i was done when he did his back alley routine at UT. I'm talking about defending the Baylor brand. It was abundantly clear a long time ago that Art was given free reign and had no monitoring, oversight, or management from anyone at Baylor university.

People told me, "Ian does a good job because he stays out of Arts way.""

Art ran his own university across the street and no one had the balls to go get involved because they liked the money. That's what happened. Trying to tell people that it isn't run by football is a straight up lie.

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Even if CAB ran the university as you suggest (which is ridiculous), it would have been the administration's job to rein him in . . . not to let him run things. They are responsible either way. Then after the PH/BOR findings of fact, their solution is simply to fire him when they started feeling the heat (even though they had known the facts for at least a year and had chosen to retain him). Total mismanagement pure and simple.

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This x500

Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You're right, the worst part of all this is not that the football program is again the laughing stock of the conference, the worst part is that good, honest mens live's (carrers) were ruined for no good reason. Everyone should be ashamed of this and up in arms, but lots of people couldnt care less as long as the next coach comes in and wins games(opps). "Put the past behind us" they say. "Move on to a new chapter" , "past is the past" blah blah blah.

The letter was Baylor's final finger to all of us Baylor Alumni. Message received loud and clear. What a great run we had. It was great to be a national contender in major college football for a few brief years. Football just became bigger than the school (mostly the egos running the school) and that was not acceptable. Am glad that donations and giving to Baylor are at all-time record levels so I will not feel guilty about giving elsewhere. I wish Baylor the very best going forward in their Christian mission without football. Mission accomplished.

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

Keyser Soze said:

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REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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What rape?

Keyser Soze said:

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REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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So are you cool with closing say the business school if on of those students commits rape?
The law school? Shouldn't all things be equal?

I am concerned that we will forever be viewed as Rape University. Almost a MacBeth parallel, washing off imaginary bloodstains from our hands, all the while speaking of the terrible things we know our culture pressed our university to do, or not to do...

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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So are you cool with closing say the business school if on of those students commits rape?
The law school? Shouldn't all things be equal?

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Who closed football?

If the Dean of the Business Schools is turning a blind eye and having his underlings fix things he needs to go.

False comparisons are false

DAC said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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What rape?

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Shameful

Some of you people just don't get it. Our beloved Regents were crying out to God as the Pepper Hamilton prosecutors delivered their investigative report. Our Regents deserve our support first and foremost.

Who closed football?

Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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So are you cool with closing say the business school if on of those students commits rape?
The law school? Shouldn't all things be equal?

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Who closed football?

If the Dean of the Business Schools is turning a blind eye and having his underlings fix things he needs to go.

False comparisons are false

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You and your friends on the BOR, Keyser, have won and the Baylor Alumni have lost. We get it. No fight left in me. I am tired and need to focus things other than Baylor. All of this has pulled me down to a dark place I don't need to be. Time to focus on more wholesome and honorable endeavors than what Baylor has become.

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Some of you people just don't get it. Our beloved Regents were crying out to God as the Pepper Hamilton prosecutors delivered their investigative report. Our Regents deserve our support first and foremost.

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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Briles never directly or indirectly covered up rape. I would also have to say that it is pretty commonplace for college football coaches to have the same setup that Briles had at Baylor.

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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Briles never directly or indirectly covered up rape. I would also have to say that it is pretty commonplace for college football coaches to have the same setup that Briles had at Baylor.

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Stop with your truth. It doesn't fit the narrative.

You gave a well thought out response so I am going to level with you - I am getting carried away with my sarcastic posts this morning

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Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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So are you cool with closing say the business school if on of those students commits rape?
The law school? Shouldn't all things be equal?

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Who closed football?

If the Dean of the Business Schools is turning a blind eye and having his underlings fix things he needs to go.

False comparisons are false

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You and your friends on the BOR, Keyser, have won and the Baylor Alumni have lost. We get it. No fight left in me. I am tired and need to focus things other than Baylor. All of this has pulled me down to a dark place I don't need to be. Time to focus on more wholesome and honorable endeavors than what Baylor has become.

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There are no winners and losers. I don't think the victims of rape consider themselves a winner because the football coach was fired.

Not you, but there are people here that have defended the indefensible at times - they make everyone at Baylor look bad and I will never give them a pass. Fortunately that is a very small sliver, and yes we all need to move on from the rest of it.

Man it feels great to see our university's general counsel refer to Art Briles as "Coach Briles" first and foremost. Great look.

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Keyser Soze said:

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historian said:

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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Briles never directly or indirectly covered up rape. I would also have to say that it is pretty commonplace for college football coaches to have the same setup that Briles had at Baylor.

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Briles never covered up rape. I don't like that wording at all even indirectly. It is too harsh and the letter helps end that.

A more appropriate wording would be "shielded players from investigation of accusations" - much softer but still enough to justify a termination

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Fire the BOR.

They seem to have been the source of all the problems from the beginning (& they certainly amplified them through the course of this entire episode). They also destroyed the career of a good man. When all this broke, CAB said he was the scapegoat, now it seems Baylor is admitting that.

What a sad legacy for a "Christian university"!!

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You need to read that letter closer. It says no such thing.


It basically says no one came to him directly and was turned away. That is it.

We have been labeled Rape U because of the players he allowed on our campus and went out of his way to shield from investigation. They had their own system of justice against school & Title IX rules.

He insulated himself and was the last to know - he was the Sgt Shultz of P5 head coaches with fixers putting very long hours.

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He never lost to Liberty
Liberty
Let that really sink in

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So you are cool with rape as long as we win?

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So are you cool with closing say the business school if on of those students commits rape?
The law school? Shouldn't all things be equal?

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Who closed football?

If the Dean of the Business Schools is turning a blind eye and having his underlings fix things he needs to go.

False comparisons are false

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You and your friends on the BOR, Keyser, have won and the Baylor Alumni have lost. We get it. No fight left in me. I am tired and need to focus things other than Baylor. All of this has pulled me down to a dark place I don't need to be. Time to focus on more wholesome and honorable endeavors than what Baylor has become.

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There are no winners and losers. I don't think the victims of rape consider themselves a winner because the football coach was fired.

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Ian and Brenda say hi!!!!!