No he doesn't. But maybe we'll find out soon.

Also that team is #11. Not making excuses but if we get creamed like this next week it's a much bigger story.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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How did this idiot win the starting job? John David Weed was better.

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what about Greg Cicero?

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And Aaron Karas.

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I'd say Cicero was worse. But both played on teams that didn't have much talent around them or good coaching.

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Also that team is #11. Not making excuses but if we get creamed like this next week it's a much bigger story.

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But all week, we heard about how overrated they were. Just feels like we're either calling them awesome or overrated based on whatever point we're trying to make at the time

Finn is off to a rough start, certainly, but he's not even close to the worst quarterback Baylor's ever had. Someone clearly wasn't around during the Kevin Steele years.

I don't believe we can win many games with Finn at quarterback. On several occasions he missed outlet receivers on passes no longer than ten or twelve yards. And that had nothing to do with a poor offensive line. In two games he has shown himself to be less than an average passer. Unless he drastically improves, I don't see this team winning over four games this year.

This is sad because the defense actually shows signs of life and being capable of making a few stops. Of course they will wear out with an offense that goes three and out most of the time. Personally I would like to see some playing time invested in Sawyer to see if his accuracy is better and what difference that would make to the offense. As they say what do we have to lose.

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I don't believe we can win many games with Finn at quarterback. On several occasions he missed outlet receivers on passes no longer than ten or twelve yards. And that had nothing to do with a poor offensive line. In two games he has shown himself to be less than an average passer. Unless he drastically improves, I don't see this team winning over four games this year.

This is sad because the defense actually shows signs of life and being capable of making a few stops. Of course they will wear out with an offense that goes three and out most of the time. Personally I would like to see some playing time invested in Sawyer to see if his accuracy is better and what difference that would make to the offense. As they say what do we have to lose.

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I'm not one of these people that think that Sawyer is necessarily going to be a huge improvement, but I don't see how he could be much worse

Finn and the OL could really help themselves with short easy passes to start the game. Hit a few guys within 3-5 yards on quick routes to maybe get some confidence and loosen up the defense. As of now I can't see any defense being afraid of his arm. At this point stack 9 in the box and dare him to pass.

The one pass we saw from Nate Bennett at the end of the game last week was about as impressive as anything we saw from Finn this week.

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Finn sucks. But you guys and your fuzzy Shapen memories, remind me who started last year? Or 2022? Who was at the wheel in 2023?
Come on, man. We are all tired of losing.

They both are pretty bad.

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Robertson is a much better passer. Not even close. Finn is just not good enough passer to run this offense.

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I agree. He's much more confident behind the line and he trusts his receivers to get to their position. Finn hesitates and doesn't have the confidence to know which receivers will beat their coverage.

Sawyer played well against SEC defenses. Finn looks lost playing guys at P4 size and speed

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Sawyer played well against SEC defenses. Finn looks lost playing guys at P4 size and speed

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Also correct. Anyone that doesn't realize the talent we had with shapen is a moron. Shapen is awesome.

Don't drink any more of the kool-aid.....we've been slipped a Mickey Finn.

Jeff Watson enters the discussion. Finn is clearly a NIL bust, but worst QB in Baylor history? Goodness, no.

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Jeff Watson enters the discussion. Finn is clearly a NIL bust, but worst QB in Baylor history? Goodness, no.

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I'm going to disagree with you on Watson. Watson was actually pretty good. He could throw the ball, particularly by the time he was a junior and senior.

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Jeff Watson enters the discussion. Finn is clearly a NIL bust, but worst QB in Baylor history? Goodness, no.

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This is a program that started Michael Odom, Guy Tomchek, Kerry Dixon, Davon Vinson, Terrance Parks, etc. We've had worse QBs, for sure.

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CaliBear00 said:

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Jeff Watson enters the discussion. Finn is clearly a NIL bust, but worst QB in Baylor history? Goodness, no.

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I'm going to disagree with you on Watson. Watson was actually pretty good. He could throw the ball, particularly by the time he was a junior and senior.

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Agreed. Watson wasn't bad.

Robertson has got to be better than Finn! There is no way he could be worse! It is difficult to see why anyone thought Finn could be the QB. His arm is weak, he stares at and is locked in on the receiver whether or not they are open, and he misses wide open receivers. The offense is as exciting as watching paint dry.

What about our QB in 1908? He couldn't even throw a forward pass!!!

In all fairness to Finn, though, absolutely nobody on earth ever said he was that good. Except Aranda. Was a quick and poorly planned portal grab to show Mack and donors that we use the portal now. Simple as that.

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In all fairness to Finn, though, absolutely nobody on earth ever said he was that good. Except Aranda. Was a quick and poorly planned portal grab to show Mack and donors that we use the portal now. Simple as that.

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Finn was the 11th-ranked portal QB according to 247, ahead of some pretty accomplished guys. I don't think anyone expected him to be an incompetent passer.

Hopefully, he'll turn things around starting next week. If not, we need to be prepared to make a move at that position in the next two weeks. We can't go more than a game into Big 12 play with the offense performing at this level without a change.

Man, I don't know, Shapen just fumbled the ball, Arizona State recovered for a touchdown. We have a lengthy history of shiddy quarterbacks.

He absolutely is the worst quarterback relative to how much Baylor paid them.

Does Bryce Petty have any eligibility left...Nick Florence? I don't care if they are 30 years old, just sign them up

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Does Bryce Petty have any eligibility left...Nick Florence? I don't care if they are 30 years old, just sign them up

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Shapen is almost as old as they are and he's not looking too good right now against Sun Devil High.

This all started in the spring of 2022 with the benching of Gerry Bohannon and it's been going downhill ever since

I think there's some reason to have an open mind about QB development, given that Bell wasn't doing us any favors there. That said, I'm pretty worried about Finn though, since as a 1-year player, if it's a project for him to learn the offense, all the upside is at the top of a hill and the sun is already setting.

We've had some terrible QBs.

Never seen one this bad. Can't make a basic throw.

He is worse than any mentioned above.

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In all fairness to Finn, though, absolutely nobody on earth ever said he was that good. Except Aranda. Was a quick and poorly planned portal grab to show Mack and donors that we use the portal now. Simple as that.

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Finn was the 11th-ranked portal QB according to 247, ahead of some pretty accomplished guys. I don't think anyone expected him to be an incompetent passer.

Hopefully, he'll turn things around starting next week. If not, we need to be prepared to make a move at that position in the next two weeks. We can't go more than a game into Big 12 play with the offense performing at this level without a change.

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He looked panicked to me on the occasions most here are talking about. That may diminish with more experience against top teams......or not. But the basic problem gets back to the OL. They can't open holes for the runners and can't protect the QB even when they outnumber the defenders rushing..

If we can't generate a consistent run game against a 4 man front no QB will have success moving the football for us. Our backs are fine. Our receivers are improved but if a 3 or 4 man front stops the run then safeties and linebackers don't have to pay much heed to RPO or play action, which makes it harder on receivers and QB

Finn is a runner, not much of a thrower. I'm ready to see what the other guy can do. Finn has a place but he is not a Big 12 starter.

I'd love to see Finn in the wildcat or running more designed runs from the pistol. That is all I would really trust him to do. Maybe he'll get better over the course of the season, but I'm not holding my breath

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If we can't generate a consistent run game against a 4 man front no QB will have success moving the football for us. Our backs are fine. Our receivers are improved but if a 3 or 4 man front stops the run then safeties and linebackers don't have to pay much heed to RPO or play action, which makes it harder on receivers and QB

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True. But when he had time on simple screens or out routes he could not hit a receiver.

The O-Line is bad. But you could build a literal wall around him, and he still could not hit a wide open receiver.

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In all fairness to Finn, though, absolutely nobody on earth ever said he was that good. Except Aranda. Was a quick and poorly planned portal grab to show Mack and donors that we use the portal now. Simple as that.

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Finn was the 11th-ranked portal QB according to 247, ahead of some pretty accomplished guys. I don't think anyone expected him to be an incompetent passer.

Hopefully, he'll turn things around starting next week. If not, we need to be prepared to make a move at that position in the next two weeks. We can't go more than a game into Big 12 play with the offense performing at this level without a change.

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He looked panicked to me on the occasions most here are talking about. That may diminish with more experience against top teams......or not. But the basic problem gets back to the OL. They can't open holes for the runners and can't protect the QB even when they outnumber the defenders rushing..

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The advanced game stats show Finn was pressured on only 8 of 26 dropbacks, but go ahead and move forward with the narrative that the OL was the main problem for him if it makes you feel better.

Don't look now but Shapen has a 80.5 total average QBR good for 25th on a historically uninspiring offense post-Dak Prescott.