The SEC has not had a champion with two conference losses since 2007.

Only one team can keep that streak going. pic.twitter.com/pgO7fPLVsL

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 24, 2024

One byproduct of all these SEC teams losing is a second ACC berth is now in play.

Especially if Clemson beats South Carolina but doesn't play in Charlotte.

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 24, 2024

I think the three-loss SECs have a chance, but they’re pretty firmly behind:
• Texas, Georgia, Tennessee
• Penn State, Indiana, OSU, Oregon
• Notre Dame
• SMU, Miami and maybe Clemson
• Big 12 champ and/or ASU
• Boise State and maybe even AAC champ https://t.co/aYXVP3rCTq

— Shehan Jeyarajah (@ShehanJeyarajah) November 24, 2024

Thoughts on a team that didn't make their championship game getting in over a team that got in to championship game and loses a close game?

Its one thing to have a blowout loss, but making a 13th game and losing a <3 point loss to a top 15 team shouldn't let a team that didn't even qualify for the championship game in.

This outcome would be:

B1G- 4 teams
SEC- 3 teams
ACC- 2 teams
MWC- 1 team
B12- 1 team
Independent- ND

Here’s our projection heading into Week 14: pic.twitter.com/M7njwxqjqm

— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) November 24, 2024

BaylorGrad09 said:

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Thoughts on a team that didn't make their championship game getting in over a team that got in to championship game and loses a close game?

Its one thing to have a blowout loss, but making a 13th game and losing a <3 point loss to a top 15 team shouldn't let a team that didn't even qualify for the championship game in.

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If A&M beats texas next week but then loses to Georgia in SEC title game, they would have four losses. Do we really think a team with four losses deserves to make the playoff? This then totally benefits another three loss team who did not make championship game.

I think we're going to see conferences start to rethink these conference title games.

GoldenBear007 said:

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BaylorGrad09 said:

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Thoughts on a team that didn't make their championship game getting in over a team that got in to championship game and loses a close game?

Its one thing to have a blowout loss, but making a 13th game and losing a <3 point loss to a top 15 team shouldn't let a team that didn't even qualify for the championship game in.

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If A&M beats texas next week but then loses to Georgia in SEC title game, they would have four losses. Do we really think a team with four losses deserves to make the playoff? This then totally benefits another three loss team who did not make championship game.

I think we're going to see conferences start to rethink these conference title games.

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There has to be one of the conferences that lobbies for a conference 4 teams playoff to get their champion. 16-20 team leagues need a better way than just "pick the best two" when they haven't played the same schedule. These tie breakers are already getting absurd and it's only year one of these super sized conferences.

It kind of makes me laugh that we've gone from 4 to 12 and there is still going to be all this debate about who gets in

The top 6 conference champs could look like this, but there are only 5 autobids. Who misses the cut?
• 12-1 Boise State
• 11-1 Army
• 11-2 Ohio State
• 11-2 Clemson
• 11-2 Arizona State
• 10-3 Texas A&M

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 24, 2024

I am happy to see army doing well… but their schedule is a joke. ECU is the only team they beat with a winning record. ND spanked them.

(Their first game was against FCS Lehigh)

Anyone else noticed that in two of their last three games, Boise State beat 3-9 Nevada 28-21 and 2-9 Wyoming 17-13?

One reason I'm skeptical they'll stay above the eventual Big 12 champ.

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 24, 2024

If you look at the latest AP rankings, it's already being set up.

Team

1. Oregon
11-0

2.Ohio State
10-1

3.Texas
10-1

4.Penn State
10-1


5.Indiana
10-1

6.Notre Dame
10-1


7.Alabama
8-3

8.Miami (FL)
10-1

9.Ole Miss
8-3

10.Georgia
9-2

11.Tennessee
9-2

12.Boise State
10-1

13.SMU
10-1

14.BYU
9-2

15.Texas A&M
8-3

16.Colorado
8-3

17.Clemson
9-2

18.South Carolina
8-3

19.Army
9-1

20.Tulane
9-2

21.Arizona State
9-2

22.Iowa State
9-2

"The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the five highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The seven highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format."

If I'm reading the current rankings correctly 4/5 invites will be extended to the champions of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Mountain West.

As far as the Big 12 goes:

"Big 12

• Two of Arizona State, BYU, Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas Tech

Here's where it starts to get messy. We'll start with the simple scenario. ASU, BYU, ISU and Colorado are all tied atop the conference at 6-2. If there's a four-way tie at 7-2, the two conference title game participants are Arizona State and Iowa State.

Colorado needs two of the three other teams it's tied with to lose to get to the title game thanks to losses to both Kansas State and Kansas. ASU and BYU both beat K-State already and Iowa State plays the Wildcats in Week 14. Baylor and Texas Tech need to win in Week 14 and have the four tied teams lose. Kansas State needs to beat Iowa State, have the other three tied teams lose and have Baylor lose to Kansas."

However both Arizona State and Iowa State are ranked below Army and Tulane so the fifth conference champion invite would go to the AAC and not the Big 12. Should Arizona State beat Arizona (likely) and Iowa State beat K-State (very possible), so long as Army and Tulane keep winning, this is exactly what will play out leaving BYU and Colorado scrambling for at large invites, but at #14 and #16, not likely to get them.

Realitybites said:

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If you look at the latest AP rankings, it's already being set up.

Team

1. Oregon
11-0

2.Ohio State
10-1

3.Texas
10-1

4.Penn State
10-1


5.Indiana
10-1

6.Notre Dame
10-1


7.Alabama
8-3

8.Miami (FL)
10-1

9.Ole Miss
8-3

10.Georgia
9-2

11.Tennessee
9-2

12.Boise State
10-1

13.SMU
10-1

14.BYU
9-2

15.Texas A&M
8-3

16.Colorado
8-3

17.Clemson
9-2

18.South Carolina
8-3

19.Army
9-1

20.Tulane
9-2

21.Arizona State
9-2

22.Iowa State
9-2

"The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the five highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The seven highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format."

If I'm reading the current rankings correctly 4/5 invites will be extended to the champions of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Mountain West.

As far as the Big 12 goes:

"Big 12

• Two of Arizona State, BYU, Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas Tech

Here's where it starts to get messy. We'll start with the simple scenario. ASU, BYU, ISU and Colorado are all tied atop the conference at 6-2. If there's a four-way tie at 7-2, the two conference title game participants are Arizona State and Iowa State.

Colorado needs two of the three other teams it's tied with to lose to get to the title game thanks to losses to both Kansas State and Kansas. ASU and BYU both beat K-State already and Iowa State plays the Wildcats in Week 14. Baylor and Texas Tech need to win in Week 14 and have the four tied teams lose. Kansas State needs to beat Iowa State, have the other three tied teams lose and have Baylor lose to Kansas."

However both Arizona State and Iowa State are ranked below Army and Tulane so the fifth conference champion invite would go to the AAC and not the Big 12. Should Arizona State beat Arizona (likely) and Iowa State beat K-State (very possible), so long as Army and Tulane keep winning, this is exactly what will play out leaving BYU and Colorado scrambling for at large invites, but at #14 and #16, not likely to get them.

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Only problem With your doomsday scenario is that now Ariz St is #14, IowaSt #17, Tulane #18 and Army #25.

whitetrash said:

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Only problem With your doomsday scenario is that now Ariz St is #14, IowaSt #17, Tulane #18 and Army #25.

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Well, that's good news.

The rankings shall be shuffled to achieve the desired outcome.

How the heck are 3 loss Alabama and Ole Miss still in the top 10 after their losses…bad losses at that. They need to drop into the 12-20 range at bare minimum. The SEC lift is ridiculous

BaylorGrad09 said:

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Thoughts on a team that didn't make their championship game getting in over a team that got in to championship game and loses a close game?

Its one thing to have a blowout loss, but making a 13th game and losing a <3 point loss to a top 15 team shouldn't let a team that didn't even qualify for the championship game in.

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They have shown in the 4 team playoff that even winning your conference doesn't matter if they think you are better (as in an SEC team) then conference winners.

Realitybites said:

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If you look at the latest AP rankings, it's already being set up.

Team

1. Oregon
11-0

2.Ohio State
10-1

3.Texas
10-1

4.Penn State
10-1


5.Indiana
10-1

6.Notre Dame
10-1


7.Alabama
8-3

8.Miami (FL)
10-1

9.Ole Miss
8-3

10.Georgia
9-2

11.Tennessee
9-2

12.Boise State
10-1

13.SMU
10-1

14.BYU
9-2

15.Texas A&M
8-3

16.Colorado
8-3

17.Clemson
9-2

18.South Carolina
8-3

19.Army
9-1

20.Tulane
9-2

21.Arizona State
9-2

22.Iowa State
9-2

"The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the five highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The seven highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format."

If I'm reading the current rankings correctly 4/5 invites will be extended to the champions of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Mountain West.

As far as the Big 12 goes:

"Big 12

• Two of Arizona State, BYU, Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas Tech

Here's where it starts to get messy. We'll start with the simple scenario. ASU, BYU, ISU and Colorado are all tied atop the conference at 6-2. If there's a four-way tie at 7-2, the two conference title game participants are Arizona State and Iowa State.

Colorado needs two of the three other teams it's tied with to lose to get to the title game thanks to losses to both Kansas State and Kansas. ASU and BYU both beat K-State already and Iowa State plays the Wildcats in Week 14. Baylor and Texas Tech need to win in Week 14 and have the four tied teams lose. Kansas State needs to beat Iowa State, have the other three tied teams lose and have Baylor lose to Kansas."

However both Arizona State and Iowa State are ranked below Army and Tulane so the fifth conference champion invite would go to the AAC and not the Big 12. Should Arizona State beat Arizona (likely) and Iowa State beat K-State (very possible), so long as Army and Tulane keep winning, this is exactly what will play out leaving BYU and Colorado scrambling for at large invites, but at #14 and #16, not likely to get them.

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Are these the latest AP rankings though? This looks like last weeks rankings but this weeks records….

BaylorGrad09 said:

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How the heck are 3 loss Alabama and Ole Miss still in the top 10 after their losses…bad losses at that. They need to drop into the 12-20 range at bare minimum. The SEC lift is ridiculous

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He posted last weeks rankings. The AP surprisingly dropped them off out of the top 12. Alabama is on the cusp at #13

So you're saying there's a chance?

The CFP may have a 3-loss team in the field this season. If it comes down to these 2, which looks more impressive? pic.twitter.com/R5oA5Rqpqj

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 25, 2024

Unranked losses.

Top 15 SEC teams - 6
Top 15 Big Ten teams - 0

But the SEC is just better than everyone, right?

— The_Dorito_Bandit (@a_redding7) November 24, 2024

FWIW...Brett is projecting ASU to get the 4th spot as highest ranked conference champ over Boise and getting the first round bye

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/college-football-bowl-projections-week-14-predictions-brett-mcmurphy-college-football-playoff-picks

📊📈 #Big12FB pic.twitter.com/RX4TinFpAj

— Big 12 Conference (@Big12Conference) November 25, 2024

WHEN THEY TRY AND SPIN THIS AS THE SEC BEING DEEP, DONT FORGET ABOUT THIS pic.twitter.com/HRNXCDmjLn

— Gerald Horsecock Ford III (@stangsmeat) November 24, 2024

According to CBS Sports/SportsLine, Georgia and Texas both have a 100% chance to make the CFP… pic.twitter.com/Ekyu8yBNdD

— CFB Kings (@CFBKings) November 25, 2024

It's amazing that with one regular season game left in the season, the ACC has a real shot at putting 3 teams into the CFP, and that possibility places a spotlight on the Big 12 and any perceived bias against it relative to the B1G and SEC. If that many ACC teams can stay in the hunt this late in the season - without FSU's brand power no less - maybe the Big 12 really could do better.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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It's amazing that with one regular season game left in the season, the ACC has a real shot at putting 3 teams into the CFP, and that possibility places a spotlight on the Big 12 and any perceived bias against it relative to the B1G and SEC. If that many ACC teams can stay in the hunt this late in the season - without FSU's brand power no less - maybe the Big 12 really could do better.

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This is not apples to apples if you are comparing the ACC against the SEC vs the B12 against the SEC.

The top ACC teams have one loss or less: SMU 10-1, Miami 10-1. Then Clemson is 9-2 and does have the benefit of being a big brand.

The 3 top teams in the B12 all have two losses at 9-2....ASU, BYU, ISU. The B12 Title game will ensure one of the top teams ends with 3 losses.

In the SEC you have UT at 10-1...then Ga 9-2 and Tenn 9-2. Then you are getting into 3 loss teams.

If there is discussion of the ACC getting more than one team in it makes logical sense in the fact they have two teams with just 1 loss and Clemson as a big brand school.

The B12 is not positioned like that this season with the top teams already having at least 2 losses.

If B12 and ACC resumes were similar this year and the ACC was getting more in then that would be problematic.

(This year the B1G of course is getting multiple teams in this year because of great records: Ore 11-0, Indy 10-1, OSU 10-1, PSU 10-1.

boognish_bear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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It's amazing that with one regular season game left in the season, the ACC has a real shot at putting 3 teams into the CFP, and that possibility places a spotlight on the Big 12 and any perceived bias against it relative to the B1G and SEC. If that many ACC teams can stay in the hunt this late in the season - without FSU's brand power no less - maybe the Big 12 really could do better.

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This is not apples to apples if you are comparing the ACC against the SEC vs the B12 against the SEC.

The top ACC teams have one loss or less: SMU 10-1, Miami 10-1. Then Clemson is 9-2 and does have the benefit of being a big brand.

The 3 top teams in the B12 all have two losses at 9-2....ASU, BYU, ISU. The B12 Title game will ensure one of the top teams ends with 3 losses.

In the SEC you have UT at 10-1...then Ga 9-2 and Tenn 9-2. Then you are getting into 3 loss teams.

If there is discussion of the ACC getting more than one team in it makes logical sense in the fact they have two teams with just 1 loss and Clemson as a big brand school.

The B12 is not positioned like that this season with the top teams already having at least 2 losses.

If B12 and ACC resumes were similar this year and the ACC was getting more in then that would be problematic.

(This year the B1G of course is getting multiple teams in this year because of great records: Ore 11-0, Indy 10-1, OSU 10-1, PSU 10-1.

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We aren't disagreeing here - the point is that the ACC's success shows that's it's more of the Big 12's fault that it's only getting 1 bid than it is the fault of the SEC, the B1G, or the CFP committee. Thus, the Big 12 should aim to do better.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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It's amazing that with one regular season game left in the season, the ACC has a real shot at putting 3 teams into the CFP, and that possibility places a spotlight on the Big 12 and any perceived bias against it relative to the B1G and SEC. If that many ACC teams can stay in the hunt this late in the season - without FSU's brand power no less - maybe the Big 12 really could do better.

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This is not apples to apples if you are comparing the ACC against the SEC vs the B12 against the SEC.

The top ACC teams have one loss or less: SMU 10-1, Miami 10-1. Then Clemson is 9-2 and does have the benefit of being a big brand.

The 3 top teams in the B12 all have two losses at 9-2....ASU, BYU, ISU. The B12 Title game will ensure one of the top teams ends with 3 losses.

In the SEC you have UT at 10-1...then Ga 9-2 and Tenn 9-2. Then you are getting into 3 loss teams.

If there is discussion of the ACC getting more than one team in it makes logical sense in the fact they have two teams with just 1 loss and Clemson as a big brand school.

The B12 is not positioned like that this season with the top teams already having at least 2 losses.

If B12 and ACC resumes were similar this year and the ACC was getting more in then that would be problematic.

(This year the B1G of course is getting multiple teams in this year because of great records: Ore 11-0, Indy 10-1, OSU 10-1, PSU 10-1.

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We aren't disagreeing here - the point is that the ACC's success shows that's it's more of the Big 12's fault that it's only getting 1 bid than it is the fault of the SEC, the B1G, or the CFP committee. Thus, the Big 12 should aim to do better.

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As far as it being the B12's "fault"....some of this comes down to the luck of the draw on scheduling.

Miami, Clemson, and SMU never had to face each other. Obviously that prevented each of them from picking up the loss one of the teams would get from the head to head matchup.

In the B12 ASU played BYU which ensured an additional loss for one of those schools.

Oregon and Ohio St are the best 2 teams in the country. But I firmly believe the SEC squads such as Ole Miss, Bama, AM would beat Penn St and Indiana. PSU hasn't won a big game in what? A decade. They'll get in and promptly get beat by a lower seed. Rinse repeat. Whoever Indiana plays will beat them by 2 plus scores

When will the ACC and SEC start playing 9 conference games like the B12 and B1G?

Chris Klieman is right. The Big 12 is being disadvantaged because it plays nine league games, not because the league is somehow worse than others. pic.twitter.com/xaPwQKLZht

— RJ Young (@RJ_Young) November 26, 2024

Go to an 8 game league schedule and add a 4th non con game. Play 1 FCS 2 G5 and 1 G4 non con game. Hell play 3 G5 non con games.
SOS simply does not matter anymore. Committee has made that crystal clear. Than again they'll change the narrative next year to fit whatever schools they perceive as needing a bump to get in.

SMU, Clemson, and Miami have each had a conference schedule of playing teams that are 2 to 7 win teams currently as luck would have it . Had they each played each other this season, the top team of the ACC would likely have no more than 9 wins as of now.