Army loss eliminates the AAC. Tulane isn't jumping the B12 champ assuming CO wins out.
BYU/ASU need to be ranked when CO meets one of them in the title game. As much as I hate it we really need Co to beat KU this weekend. Probably convincingly

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— Tim England (@tengland_150) November 20, 2024

IowaBear said:

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Army loss eliminates the AAC. Tulane isn't jumping the B12 champ assuming CO wins out.
BYU/ASU need to be ranked when CO meets one of them in the title game. As much as I hate it we really need Co to beat KU this weekend. Probably convincingly

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That's fair, but - as noted - that assumes CO wins out.

I think they will. Actually think KU may be their toughest test left. They'll beat Okie St at home next week. And BYU doesn't match up at all with CO. ASU I haven't seen enough of to know if they could beat CO but I won't be shocked if they beat BYU Saturday

Texas and ND tend to always be overrated.

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Indiana has the 106th SOS let that sink in.. they're going to get into the playoffs and their best win will be Washington.
PSU is similar. Illinois is ranked to prop PSU up. Neither has beaten anyone. Same can be said for Miami

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Indiana's non-con schedules was FIU, Western Illinois, Charlotte.

BU used to get killed in national discussions for having cupcake non-cons like that.

It's conference affiliation. Indiana is getting boosted by being in the B10. They also avoided Oregon and Penn St.
there's what 18 teams in the B10? And only 4 are worth a *****
Take PSU as a perfect example. Put BU in their spot at 9-1 with that exact resume. We're maybe maybe 15th in the poll. Conference affiliation is and always will be the number 1 criteria in these rankings

I realize I may be writing my own CFB media obituary by putting this out there, but what exactly has Boise State done to earn a bye over the Big 12?

Both Boise State and BYU are 9-1.

Per Sagarin, Boise State’s SOS is 91st.

BYU’s is 31st.

— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) November 20, 2024

I don't get how Miami is ahead of SMU aside from name bias.

They have a Heisman darling but more importantly they're needed to give a Big10 team more than one marquee win…

Name brand program. I'm not sure whether or not SMU beats Miami. However, SMU has been more impressive to date. Miami could easily have 4 losses. I'd argue they SHOULD have 4 losses. The playoff was expanded to 12 to make absolute sure the name brands get in. ND is going to skate in yearly on name alone. Texas, PSU, Miami as well

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I don't get how Miami is ahead of SMU aside from name bias.

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Based on how Miami is seeded, it appears the committee is assuming they will be the ACC champ. Which at this point as to who will be the top 4 seeds is based on assumptions and guessing until there are actual champs of the P4 conferences.

Miami should definitely have more losses. They have pulled some miraculous escape jobs highlighted by that Cal game. SMU doesn't blow out the same opponents and gets dinged by the "eye test" metric. Miami gets points for showing they know how to win. Bring some computers back…

The biggest issue I have is the criteria seems to change every year to fit certain teams. They either need to come out with criteria that they'll use yearly to select teams or just flat out say the B10, SEC are getting 4 minimum in. SOS for example used to be a huge criteria.. that's out the window with teams like Indiana, Tx, PSU beating absolutely no one. Same with Miami

IowaBear said:

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The biggest issue I have is the criteria seems to change every year to fit certain teams. They either need to come out with criteria that they'll use yearly to select teams or just flat out say the B10, SEC are getting 4 minimum in. SOS for example used to be a huge criteria.. that's out the window with teams like Indiana, Tx, PSU beating absolutely no one. Same with Miami

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The criteria, while complex, isn't that crazy though as it combines on the field metrics together with opponent quality.

Look at Texas:
#5 Strength of Record
#38 Strength of Schedule
#4 Game Control
1 loss to FPI #5 team/#10 CFP team
#15 offensive efficiency
#1 defensive efficiency
#5 average game win probability

In contrast, BYU:
#8 Strength of Record
#53 Strength of Schedule
#15 Game Control
1 loss to FPI #29 team/unranked, non-bowl eligible team
#35 offensive efficiency
#20 defensive efficiency
#19 average game win probability

The metrics indicate that the teams may not necessarily be comparable.

Remind me again… who has Texas beat?
I get it, you have your head squarely up the ass of the SEC and the B10. You've made that crystal clear. Now remind me… who has Texas beat? What about Penn St? Miami? Who's Miami beat? What about Indiana and that SOS at 106. Who have they beat?
You bringing up criteria is hilarious!!! No one knows what criteria the committee uses because they can change their "criteria" weekly to match what teams they want in

What is game control?? Is it how long they were leading in a game?

Indiana is about to get exposed I think.

They have been playing good but they have played no one with a pulse.

Si, 90% of those metrics are useless because they're so easily skewed. Exhibit A game control. Playing virtually no one with a pulse is going to result in great game control. The metrics are and always will be able to be skewed heavily.

IowaBear said:

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Remind me again… who has Texas beat?
I get it, you have your head squarely up the ass of the SEC and the B10. You've made that crystal clear. Now remind me… who has Texas beat? What about Penn St? Miami? Who's Miami beat? What about Indiana and that SOS at 106. Who have they beat?
You bringing up criteria is hilarious!!! No one knows what criteria the committee uses because they can change their "criteria" weekly to match what teams they want in

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The challenge is that the metrics are more important than who a team did or did not beat as any given team does not control their schedule other than who they select as their OOC opponents, and, even then, they have no control over how good those opponents are.

People complain about the CFP selections, but the simulated BCS results (and the majority of the other simulated ranked systems) are largely similar for the teams in contention for the CFP. To rephrase and to make no mistake, the BCS system would select Texas at #2 or #3.

The committee has routinely (in the past used SOS) that magically went out the window this year.
If we're using your logic we may as well just have a 16 team bracket of just B10/SEC teams as no one else is apparently worthy of participating
The metrics are easy to skew surely you can and should be able to recognize this

IowaBear said:

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The committee has routinely (in the past used SOS) that magically went out the window this year.
If we're using your logic we may as well just have a 16 team bracket of just B10/SEC teams as no one else is apparently worthy of participating
The metrics are easy to skew surely you can and should be able to recognize this

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No one is saying that they don't use SOS or that SOS isn't important - metrics are simply more important.

The primary counterargument to CFP committee bias is that the BCS computers would arrive at a substantially similar metrics-based outcome.

To be clear here, Texas' strength of schedule is till substantially higher than BYU's or Colorado's (#73). Looking across the one loss P4 teams, who all would you put above Texas out of Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Miami, and SMU?

Ohio St. I've made my opinions on the others quite clear. I also would put both Georgia and Ole Miss ahead of them. Texas has the easiest SEC schedule in recent memory and the 2 I've mentioned have ran the gauntlet. One of which dismantled Texas in their own back yard.
You questionably left out the part where BzyU as an example has a ranked win where Texas does not. I'll ask you 1 more time… whose Tx best win?

IowaBear said:

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Ohio St. I've made my opinions on the others quite clear. I also would put both Georgia and Ole Miss ahead of them. Texas has the easiest SEC schedule in recent memory and the 2 I've mentioned have ran the gauntlet. One of which dismantled Texas in their own back yard.
You questionably left out the part where BzyU as an example has a ranked win where Texas does not. I'll ask you 1 more time… whose Tx best win?

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Probably Vanderbilt? It looks like Ohio State is #2, so there is no disagreement there in the official rankings. Personally, I agree.

In regard to Ole Miss and Georgia, it sounds like the take of putting them above Texas is almost exclusively based on schedule, and that would make sense if that was the only or primary consideration for the ranking system. The challenge is it's not.

SEC teams Texas hasn’t played:

Alabama
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Missouri
LSU

And the Longhorns lost to the one SEC team they played in the top-half of the league standings (Georgia).

The SEC doesn’t suck this year, it’s just Texas was given a gift in Year 1 https://t.co/ZE00s266zD

— Brad Crawford (@BCrawford247) November 20, 2024

As fans of college football, we need to push back against ESPN. ESPN is destroying college football.

It was brought to my attention that Desmond Howard said this on College Gameday last weekend: "Why are we picking this game? I thought it was a mistake."

That was in reference…

— Big Ten information. College football fan (@Genetics56) November 21, 2024

I mean GA played Tx and mopped them… Tx plays GA or Ole Miss schedule they're a 3 loss team.

Ewers has regressed for some reason. Not sure if it's a lingering injury or what. I expected him to be much better this year.

I’m never deleting this app pic.twitter.com/LDq0nhEkbv

— No Context NATIONAL CHAMPION Vols (@ZeroContextVols) November 21, 2024

Aberzombie1892 said:

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IowaBear said:

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The committee has routinely (in the past used SOS) that magically went out the window this year.
If we're using your logic we may as well just have a 16 team bracket of just B10/SEC teams as no one else is apparently worthy of participating
The metrics are easy to skew surely you can and should be able to recognize this

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No one is saying that they don't use SOS or that SOS isn't important - metrics are simply more important.

The primary counterargument to CFP committee bias is that the BCS computers would arrive at a substantially similar metrics-based outcome.

To be clear here, Texas' strength of schedule is till substantially higher than BYU's or Colorado's (#73). Looking across the one loss P4 teams, who all would you put above Texas out of Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Miami, and SMU?

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Computers only run the code they were written to run. Which can easily be written to show bias to the two conferences.

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Please tell me this guy was joking about number 1…..

cowboycwr said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Please tell me this guy was joking about number 1…..

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Yep… He's kind of a well-known troll on Twitter.

He will purposefully make just enough mistakes to make people wonder if he really doesn't understand. He's tricked celebrities and politicians arguing with him.

In the real world he's an attorney.

They've been changing it up every year and the media just goes along with it, maybe helping it… probably helping it. I usually have no qualms with Des but his remark showed the average ESPN commentator knows nothing about Big12 football and likely the ACC aside from Deion, Ward, and Dabo. Everyone else can jump off a bridge for all they care. 7-2 vs 7-2 in a still open Big12 title race and a key member of Gameday questions why he's picking that matchup. Pathetic. Don't believe I've heard on ESPN people question why Miami is ahead of SMU

Desmond is a Michigan blow hard. Won't be shocked if he's not on Gameday within a few years.
And you're exactly right. The criteria changes yearly. And it changes to fit the narrative of certain teams. That really shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand even a dedicated SEC/B10 pumper like Abercrombie