Joey McGuire

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Thee University
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Didn't Aranda beat the begeebers out of Joey in 2022 45-17 and then again in 2024 by a 59-35 score?

Give Aranda $40,000,000 and let him tee up Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kent State.

Joey is a high school cheerleader/coach who got a $40,000,000 life raft dropped on him.

Where were you boys when Tom Stanton and Kevin Steele were leading our Bears by going 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 & 3-9?
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You're right Thee

Big Bald Dave > Joey MacGee
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Thee University said:

Didn't Aranda beat the begeebers out of Joey in 2022 45-17 and then again in 2024 by a 59-35 score?

Give Aranda $40,000,000 and let him tee up Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kent State.

Joey is a high school cheerleader/coach who got a $40,000,000 life raft dropped on him.

Where were you boys when Tom Stanton and Kevin Steele were leading our Bears by going 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 & 3-9?

You are 100% right. Tech bought a 7 million dollar defense, that is the difference between Tech and the B12. Not Joey's coaching!

Giving similar talent, Aranda beats Joey 2 out of 3 times.

That said, I do think Dave would be happier some place like Air Force, Army or Navy with players that are interested in more than the NFL and his total person teachings would be a positive. Just one persons view...

BU needs the money to roll into NIL and needs a good GM with contacts with agents. That is what is lacking to win in 2026. It is not about X's and O's, it is about $$$ to buy elite talent and exploit mismatches. That is what HS and College football has become in the high talent conferences and states.

The only place real HS football is being taught, is in the non-talent states where they have to rely on systems. It isn't in Florida and Georgia that is for sure, it is mismatch football. Attracting talent...



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It should be noted that that the 22 win was against a hired team before we were really paying. There was never a pre NIL era during McGuire's HC career. They started NIL and the portal recruiting right away like everyone else other than Baylor and that coincided with McGuire's year 1.
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What's Dave's overall record in comparison to Joeys? Or does H2H trump all?
The lengths some go to in order to defend the utter garbage that is Aranda is truly impressive
Stefano DiMera
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The lengths people make back bends to criticize McGuire is ridiculous too .

I don't know where Thee is getting $40 million from. Unless he's talking about Ohio St or Oregon.
. or Texas

Tech's roster was about $23-25 million. Which is another feather in McGuire's cap compared to those 3.
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Mcguire has far outperformed Aranda. Anyone sayin otherwise just personally doesnt like Mcguire. I still think we can do better than Mcguire, but he is someone that can probably rally donors unlike Decaf Dave.

If Aranda, and Mcguire are in your living room begging for money, who are you going to give it to?

Lastly, money isnt guaranteed wins. Look at LSU, Michigan, Auburn, Penn State etc. All are probably on the top rung when it comes to NIL, and all fired their HCs because of abysmal seasons. COACHING STILL MATTERS even if you have the players. Look at Indiana.
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Stefano DiMera said:

The lengths people make back bends to criticize McGuire is ridiculous too .

I don't know where Thee is getting $40 million from. Unless he's talking about Ohio St or Oregon.
. or Texas

Tech's roster was about $23-25 million. Which is another feather in McGuire's cap compared to those 3.

How was I criticizing Lil Joey?

So Lil Joey raised all of that $$$ now or he just get's a feather in his cap for doing nothing?

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Thee University said:

Stefano DiMera said:

The lengths people make back bends to criticize McGuire is ridiculous too .

I don't know where Thee is getting $40 million from. Unless he's talking about Ohio St or Oregon.
. or Texas

Tech's roster was about $23-25 million. Which is another feather in McGuire's cap compared to those 3.

How was I criticizing Lil Joey?

So Lil Joey raised all of that $$$ now or he just get's a feather in his cap for doing nothing?




Doing nothing? Sheesh. The HC has always mattered. Ask UT and all the other blue bloods. UT has spent tons and has won nothing in 20 years.
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How about little 'ol Thee, who lucked out and got to have Singletary make the team famous. Talk about riding coattails.
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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?
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Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Are they in the B12 and did they used to coach for Baylor?
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FLBear5630 said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Are they in the B12 and did they used to coach for Baylor?


More importantly no one periodically starts threads trying to argue to the rest of the posters here that they are historic GOAT type coaches.
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PartyBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Are they in the B12 and did they used to coach for Baylor?


More importantly no one periodically starts threads trying to argue to the rest of the posters here that they are historic GOAT type coaches.


I mean... I went back to the OP on this thread started by SailorBear13.. I didn't get that in the least from his post.
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Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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Thee University said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.




So Grant ate the worm for fun? You had Singletary chewing your ass. The coach didn't need to.
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Timbear said:

Thee University said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.




So Grant ate the worm for fun? You had Singletary chewing your ass. The coach didn't need to.


"Here's the game plan men. Execute it well"
Things Cotton Davidson never said for $600 Alex.
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FLBear5630 said:

Thee University said:

Didn't Aranda beat the begeebers out of Joey in 2022 45-17 and then again in 2024 by a 59-35 score?

Give Aranda $40,000,000 and let him tee up Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kent State.

Joey is a high school cheerleader/coach who got a $40,000,000 life raft dropped on him.

Where were you boys when Tom Stanton and Kevin Steele were leading our Bears by going 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 & 3-9?

You are 100% right. Tech bought a 7 million dollar defense, that is the difference between Tech and the B12. Not Joey's coaching!

Giving similar talent, Aranda beats Joey 2 out of 3 times.

That said, I do think Dave would be happier some place like Air Force, Army or Navy with players that are interested in more than the NFL and his total person teachings would be a positive. Just one persons view...

BU needs the money to roll into NIL and needs a good GM with contacts with agents. That is what is lacking to win in 2026. It is not about X's and O's, it is about $$$ to buy elite talent and exploit mismatches. That is what HS and College football has become in the high talent conferences and states.

The only place real HS football is being taught, is in the non-talent states where they have to rely on systems. It isn't in Florida and Georgia that is for sure, it is mismatch football. Attracting talent...






Dave is under .500 after 6 years. End of story. He's a proven loser. Talk all you like. Without Singletary, the best D player in Baylor history, Thee would have been .500 or worse in 1980.
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Timbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Thee University said:

Didn't Aranda beat the begeebers out of Joey in 2022 45-17 and then again in 2024 by a 59-35 score?

Give Aranda $40,000,000 and let him tee up Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kent State.

Joey is a high school cheerleader/coach who got a $40,000,000 life raft dropped on him.

Where were you boys when Tom Stanton and Kevin Steele were leading our Bears by going 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 & 3-9?

You are 100% right. Tech bought a 7 million dollar defense, that is the difference between Tech and the B12. Not Joey's coaching!

Giving similar talent, Aranda beats Joey 2 out of 3 times.

That said, I do think Dave would be happier some place like Air Force, Army or Navy with players that are interested in more than the NFL and his total person teachings would be a positive. Just one persons view...

BU needs the money to roll into NIL and needs a good GM with contacts with agents. That is what is lacking to win in 2026. It is not about X's and O's, it is about $$$ to buy elite talent and exploit mismatches. That is what HS and College football has become in the high talent conferences and states.

The only place real HS football is being taught, is in the non-talent states where they have to rely on systems. It isn't in Florida and Georgia that is for sure, it is mismatch football. Attracting talent...






Dave is under .500 after 6 years. End of story. He's a proven loser. Talk all you like. Without Singletary, the best D player in Baylor history, Thee would have been .500 or worse in 1980.


yet he beat Joey 2 out of 3.
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So H2H trumps all? We just going to completely ignore… everything else?
It'll be 2-2 after next year. So that argument will be out the window
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Thee University said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.




Hate to tell you.. that's the reason these coaches make millions.

Some need to be coached up and motivated.

And the coach needs to recruit the ones who are self motivated who can lead those in that first group above.

That Junction Boys mentality train left the station 2 generations ago.
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I believe only Dave and Greg Schiano at Rutgers have been at the same school for the last six years and have losing overall records.
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The more I make you boys talk the more you reveal your football knowledge (lack of). I'm proud of your junior high level of competition.
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IowaBear said:

So H2H trumps all? We just going to completely ignore… everything else?
It'll be 2-2 after next year. So that argument will be out the window

No. It just shows you who is the better of those two coaches.

I'd bet 95% of colleges and universities in America would have hired Dave over Lil Joey if those were the 2 they narrowed it down to.

Rah-Rah Harry High School will only get you so far. Of course even a high school coach with unlimited funds can pay the right kids to come out on the High Plains and win.
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Timbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Thee University said:

Didn't Aranda beat the begeebers out of Joey in 2022 45-17 and then again in 2024 by a 59-35 score?

Give Aranda $40,000,000 and let him tee up Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kent State.

Joey is a high school cheerleader/coach who got a $40,000,000 life raft dropped on him.

Where were you boys when Tom Stanton and Kevin Steele were leading our Bears by going 1-10, 2-9, 3-8 & 3-9?

You are 100% right. Tech bought a 7 million dollar defense, that is the difference between Tech and the B12. Not Joey's coaching!

Giving similar talent, Aranda beats Joey 2 out of 3 times.

That said, I do think Dave would be happier some place like Air Force, Army or Navy with players that are interested in more than the NFL and his total person teachings would be a positive. Just one persons view...

BU needs the money to roll into NIL and needs a good GM with contacts with agents. That is what is lacking to win in 2026. It is not about X's and O's, it is about $$$ to buy elite talent and exploit mismatches. That is what HS and College football has become in the high talent conferences and states.

The only place real HS football is being taught, is in the non-talent states where they have to rely on systems. It isn't in Florida and Georgia that is for sure, it is mismatch football. Attracting talent...






Dave is under .500 after 6 years. End of story. He's a proven loser. Talk all you like. Without Singletary, the best D player in Baylor history, Thee would have been .500 or worse in 1980.

Thee? Baylor. Not Thee. TEAM.

Without Joe Campbell, Tommy Tabor and other DTs we had Mike would have had far fewer tackles and cracked helmets. It starts in the DL.

TEAMWORK
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So your opinion is that Dave Aranda is a better coach than Joey?
Are we going to ignore overall records here? Are we going to revisit when it's 2-2 after the 26 season? Are we going to completely ignore that Dave has tanked the program? Are we going to completely ignore Dave's abysmal record at home? Are we going to ignore his 24-30 conference record in 6 years? HEAVILY inflated by his 21 season entirely built on Rhules upperclassmen I might add. Lot of ignoring for a guy who prides himself on being the smartest guy in the room.
By your logic there's a LONG list of coaches way better than dip**** Dave if H2H is the decider
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IowaBear said:

So your opinion is that Dave Aranda is a better coach than Joey?
Are we going to ignore overall records here? Are we going to revisit when it's 2-2 after the 26 season? Are we going to completely ignore that Dave has tanked the program? Are we going to completely ignore Dave's abysmal record at home? Are we going to ignore his 24-30 conference record in 6 years? HEAVILY inflated by his 21 season entirely built on Rhules upperclassmen I might add. Lot of ignoring for a guy who prides himself on being the smartest guy in the room.
By your logic there's a LONG list of coaches way better than dip**** Dave if H2H is the decider

Based on H2H with similar rosters, Aranda beat Joey. Joey has been middle of the road for the first 3 years at Tech. Now, he is in the Playoff as the Fourth seed of Twelve.

What changed? Well, this year Tech bought a 7M defense... That is something.

When Aranda won the B12, beat Lane Kiffin in the Sugar Bowl and had Baylor at its highest ranking. You guys said, it was not Aranda it was Rhule's players.


Now, the Tech AD brings in an All-Star Team of a Defense and Joey wins, it is suddenly Joey is a good coach?


So, which is it? It is the coaching OR is it someone else bringing in players. It can't be both ways...
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Joey was never a bad coach to begin with. That's the whole point. In the 3 seasons prior to 25 he had a winning record. Something your homeboy Dave has done 2/6 seasons.
Those are Joeys players are they not? You still have to coach and develop guys. Something dip**** Dave has yet to do in 6 years. Tech even prior to this year had a much higher floor under Joey than BU under Dave. Using Nil is lame. Baylor got their asses kicked by several teams with much lower NIL bank rolls.
You think Cincy or AZ have better NIL than BU? What about TCU or Utah? Unlikely. But by all means continue blaming Nil as to why Dave sucks while simultaneously using NIL as the sole reason Tech has left BU in the dust
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WestUBears88 said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Look at the Tech season results for the 10 years preceding Joey's hiring. I think it will bring his record in his first three years into perspective.

Contrary to an earlier comment made, he did not inherit a talent-laden team nor a culture that knew how to win.


I don't know what else to tell you. He's been so mid for five years, only to see an exponential improvement in results once a billionaire started buying players.

Please stop digging for things that aren't there.

For five years? This is Joey McGuire's fourth year as Tech's head coach.

This is typical SicEm behavior.

So, it totally makes the point null and void because it was 3 years of mediocrity and not 5? The guy's point remains, Maguire was mediocre until Tech paid 7 Million for a defense. That is the point, not whether it is 4 or 5 years, it is a message board. Not a courtroom.

It absolutely does. Because five years is a much larger and meaningful sample where coaching football is concerned.

Cali's entire case is that Joey McGuire had established himself as a mediocre head coach -- something that can't even be done in three year's time, particularly when taking over a program that had largely sucked before you arrived.


As has been documented elsewhere, Texas Tech was literally loaded with super seniors for his first 2 seasons - both in abstract and relative to the Big 12 teams on Tech's schedule - and that is indisputable fact. Going a step further, the mainstream sports media projected that 2023 Tech - in McGuire's year 2 - was going to do great things (i.e. top 25 preseason FPI*, top 25 preseason coaches poll**, etc.***), however, it sputtered the same way that it did during his year 1 and year 3 (5+ losses per season). McGuire's 2025 season has been objectively special, but the fact that it was achieved by significantly outspending the other teams in this Big 12 dims the glow of such success given that that Tech team could autopilot to 8-9+ wins with its schedule.

At the end of the day, as long as everyone is agreed that:

1. Texas Tech was loaded with super seniors in McGuire's first two seasons,
2. Texas Tech missed its national preseason expectations in 2023,
3. Texas Tech lost at least 5 games per season in McGuire's first three seasons, and
4. Texas Tech only won the Big 12 in his fourth season because Tech significantly outspent the rest of the teams on its regular season schedule plus conference title game on NIL

then no one is really disagreeing here because we are agreed on what is objectively true.

* College football rankings: ESPN updates 2023 preseason FPI Top 25 for kickoff
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College football rankings: 2023 preseason Coaches Poll released
***Texas Tech football: Preseason expectations have rarely been this high


As long as we agree that Nick Saban, who had a worse winning percentage after five years as a head coach (.586) than Joey did after three (.605), was a mediocre coach before he gained access to top level Big Ten and SEC talent at Michigan State, LSU and Alabama, no one is disagreeing with what is objectively true.

Does no one else see how ridiculous this is?

Talent makes all coaches' records better. That doesn't mean guys were bad or mediocre coaches before they got access to elite talent. And it certainly doesn't mean that the die on a coaches' career is cast in the first three years of his head coaching career.

What does Saban have to do with anything being discussed here? That's not even an apples to apples comparison.

It is absolutely an apples to apples comparison. The man who is universally accepted as the greatest coach in college football history posted records a lot like Joey McGuire's until he got access to elite talent. That's how college football coaching works.

And no one says the same things being said about Joey McGuire about Nick Saban ... or Kirby Smart ... or Dan Lanning ... or any number of other "elite" coaches who have led championship seasons at programs that have always had access to the talent that McGuire now has at his disposal at Tech. It's an obvious double standard.

The concern is understandable, but it reads as though different groups are saying different things.

The topic of the discussion regarding Tech is that there was a clear and consistent baseline at Tech with McGuire as HC (5+ losses) with a dramatic change once a significant amount of money was introduced. Further, the difference in the case of Tech vs. programs like Oregon or Alabama is that (a) McGuire is still HC at the same Tech program that is playing largely the same teams before and after the NIL change so that the impact of the resources is far more apparent than it would be elsewhere and (b) Oregon and Alabama performed at a high level both pre and post NIL. In regard to the latter, Oregon and Alabama certainly benefited from NIL in various ways, but they didn't transform from 5 loss teams to what they are now because of it.

Three years isn't enough time to build "a clear and consistent baseline."

Nick Saban's first four seasons at Michigan State resulted in records of 6-5, 6-6, 7-5 and 6-6. He broke through in Year 5 and the rest is history.

Suggesting that McGuire's teams were never going to improve without the talent infusion they got is silly. They likely would have improved by a win or two in 2025 just by virtue of the upgrades they made to their offensive and defensive coordinator positions.

And Oregon's pre- and post-Phil Knight results would pretty much destroy your point about them. Oregon is Tech with a 30-year head start.

"Three years isn't enough time to build "a clear and consistent baseline."

Inarguable truth. Art Briles, who led BU to football to regular wins vs powerful traditional rivals (though everyone "knew" BU would never beat them, let alone like rented mules), went 4-8, 4-8, 7-5 in his first three seasons at BU. We need to hear about all the players he bought as he took BU football to a level of success it had never reached before and may never again.

But we digress from the purpose of the McGuire naysayers, which is to divert attention from the present darkness of BU football and the fact that most of the damage was self-inflicted even as infallibility was claimed.

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I hope this did the trick


Can we please ban the know nothing, nasty liberals from the sports discussions ?

In another thread here this guy said a man who's attended my church for years is a Jew and many posters here are probably uncomfortable with him being a Jew. Since in the mind of the new baylor liberals, football fans also hate Jews.
Load of lies
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IowaBear said:

Joey was never a bad coach to begin with. That's the whole point. In the 3 seasons prior to 25 he had a winning record. Something your homeboy Dave has done 2/6 seasons.
Those are Joeys players are they not? You still have to coach and develop guys. Something dip**** Dave has yet to do in 6 years. Tech even prior to this year had a much higher floor under Joey than BU under Dave. Using Nil is lame. Baylor got their asses kicked by several teams with much lower NIL bank rolls.
You think Cincy or AZ have better NIL than BU? What about TCU or Utah? Unlikely. But by all means continue blaming Nil as to why Dave sucks while simultaneously using NIL as the sole reason Tech has left BU in the dust

True, Maguire was a good HS coach. No doubt.

Develop players? They bought the players at Tech already developed. It was plug and play.

They also have Mahomes out their pushing the brand. Who does Baylor have out there? Hell, our own fan-base can't get over something that ended 10 years ago. It is still all about Briles...

Tech used NIL fantastically. I will give them credit for that. Focusing on buying units rather than just individual players is brilliant. To me, THAT is the key take away. We are going to spend money, you need the whole unit. A DT or a WR does little. A whole DL, a whole front 7? NOW you are talking.

How did Baylor use NIL? We don't give NIL. Then we have snarky t-shirts "We Pay Player". What NFL player is out pushing Baylor? You do not put ANY on that on Rhodes? It was all Aranda not winning?

You don't think that put Aranda behind the curve? I do believe Aranda is at the wrong place, but I do not believe Joey Maguire is a better college coach.


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Joey has developed plenty of guys from the day he arrived. Jacob Rodriguez ring a bell? One of the best linebackers if not the very best in CFB.
I'm not saying NIl hasn't helped Tech. It CLEARLY has. I'm saying coaching is still part of the equation. You don't win solely because of NIL. If that was the case LSU and Penn St would have been playoff teams.
I put 95% of this **** show on Dave. Dave oversees potential recruits, portal targets. Dave oversees the position groups during the season. Dave IS the HC. I can't think of a single thing Dave Aranda does well unless you want to give him credit for keeping the core of his rosters together. Which hasn't equated to on field success. The guy sucks at every aspect of his job. And he's going to fail miserably again in 26 because he's a god awful coach. Mack is just a **** human. He's not a valid reason for BU football fast approaching the cellar.
Your last sentence is where will never agree. Aranda imo is one of the worst P4 coaches in the country. He's no where near as good as Joey. And like I said before I'm not even convinced Joey is anything but a decent HC. Dave is just that terrible imo
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FLBear5630 said:

IowaBear said:

Joey was never a bad coach to begin with. That's the whole point. In the 3 seasons prior to 25 he had a winning record. Something your homeboy Dave has done 2/6 seasons.
Those are Joeys players are they not? You still have to coach and develop guys. Something dip**** Dave has yet to do in 6 years. Tech even prior to this year had a much higher floor under Joey than BU under Dave. Using Nil is lame. Baylor got their asses kicked by several teams with much lower NIL bank rolls.
You think Cincy or AZ have better NIL than BU? What about TCU or Utah? Unlikely. But by all means continue blaming Nil as to why Dave sucks while simultaneously using NIL as the sole reason Tech has left BU in the dust

True, Maguire was a good HS coach. No doubt.

Develop players? They bought the players at Tech already developed. It was plug and play.

They also have Mahomes out their pushing the brand. Who does Baylor have out there? Hell, our own fan-base can't get over something that ended 10 years ago. It is still all about Briles...

Tech used NIL fantastically. I will give them credit for that. Focusing on buying units rather than just individual players is brilliant. To me, THAT is the key take away. We are going to spend money, you need the whole unit. A DT or a WR does little. A whole DL, a whole front 7? NOW you are talking.

How did Baylor use NIL? We don't give NIL. Then we have snarky t-shirts "We Pay Player". What NFL player is out pushing Baylor? You do not put ANY on that on Rhodes? It was all Aranda not winning?

You don't think that put Aranda behind the curve? I do believe Aranda is at the wrong place, but I do not believe Joey Maguire is a better college coach.





Joey's first 3 years as a HC resulted in more wins than Dave during the same time. Besides a losing record after 6 years, Dave's inability to prevent constant staff turnover, his inability to appear in public and look and speak normally, his zoned out frowning statue behavior on the sidelines, and his inability to make adjustments in real time just prove Murphy's Law. Not so with Joey. Every Dave weakness is a Joey strength. Truth don't lie.
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until this fall txt was on a 0-9 streak v. k-state. yes, that included joey mcquire. this fall the cats could not stay on the field with the raiders. that should tell anyone paying attention - all that's required today is superior financing.

i hope tech runs the table. it will prove the obvious. it's not about conference affiliation. it's not about coaching. it's about money acquiring talent.
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