DTBear said:

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Mstemaker would be the much better option if Baylor could get in that race

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there is zero question where that kid is going and it ain't Baylor.

DJ was working with QB guru John Beck in Florida today. I'm told DJ & his father think highly of @BUFootball OC @JakeSpavital. https://t.co/vSEIYNSNkX

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) December 16, 2025

UPDATE: Talks between Indiana and Drew Mestemaker have stalled, with the Hoosiers now turning their attention to a Big 12 QB in the portal.

This development puts Ok State in the driver’s seat to land Mestemaker.

A source tells me IU’s offer to Mestemaker was $3.5 million. pic.twitter.com/VPCB5AVTWb

— Wilson F. Ball (@WillyFoosball) December 16, 2025

How in the hell do talks stall when they are at 3.5 million for a college kid? Is OSU really going to pay more?

Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I think he comes here.

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We can wish bubba.

I'm leaning toward him joining LSU where he would walk onto a team with a 7-5 record in the SEC, needing a QB. They missed the playoffs but have a game against Houston in the Texas Bowl

BTW - how is the deer hunting coming. You bang a buck? A doe?

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Maybe both?

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boognish_bear said:

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UPDATE: Talks between Indiana and Drew Mestemaker have stalled, with the Hoosiers now turning their attention to a Big 12 QB in the portal.

This development puts Ok State in the driver’s seat to land Mestemaker.

A source tells me IU’s offer to Mestemaker was $3.5 million. pic.twitter.com/VPCB5AVTWb

— Wilson F. Ball (@WillyFoosball) December 16, 2025

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He should've taken that offer tbh

Assassin said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I think he comes here.

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We can wish bubba.

I'm leaning toward him joining LSU where he would walk onto a team with a 7-5 record in the SEC, needing a QB. They missed the playoffs but have a game against Houston in the Texas Bowl

BTW - how is the derr hunting coming. You bang a buck? A doe?

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You're really not supposed to do that. Pretty sure the Texas parks and wildlife folks would frown upon that kind of behavior.

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Mitch was pretty well known at Baylor for hunting does... and occasionally a buck. Now he lives in Chi-Town where hunting bucks is the norm.

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Wife won't let me bang does. The bucks are on the DL.

Walker White is the probable starter for 2026. I don't see anything from Lagway that would make us want him over linemen and defensive players.

If the new AD is delivering on the Big $$$ he is billed to the Baylor Nation as attracting, it doesn't have to be either or.

Walker White couldn't even beat out Nate Bennett on the depth chart. There's nothing to show White is worth a crap.

Eric Morris found another kid last night from IL. No offers 6-4 205. Looks phenomenal

Ya I don't see the WW hype. The Sicem insiders made him sound a bit underwhelming during the preseason

IowaBear said:

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Walker White couldn't even beat out Nate Bennett on the depth chart. There's nothing to show White is worth a crap.

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Dave said Nate played only because older. In reality Dave probably didn't want to show him to suitors. He's of course unproven but highest ranked qb we have had in quite some time.

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Ya I don't see the WW hype. The Sicem insiders made him sound a bit underwhelming during the preseason

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I wouldn't put a lot of stock into those reports TBH. A lot of what they're seeing are basically drills. Frankly, the insiders were also saying that Shapen was way better than Bohannon based on practices, so I'm a little skeptical of their judgment

So Dave's idea is to play a kid because he's older? Ya I'm sorry but I don't buy that. And if that's truly the case it just reiterates how ******ed Aranda is

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IowaBear said:

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Walker White couldn't even beat out Nate Bennett on the depth chart. There's nothing to show White is worth a crap.

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Dave said Nate played only because older. In reality Dave probably didn't want to show him to suitors. He's of course unproven but highest ranked qb we have had in quite some time.

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I agree. Depth chart for a quarterback doesn't matter. There's the starter and then everybody else. When the starter goes down, the other guys will get more time playing with the first string, and the cream rises to the top. When I look at Bennett and White, I can't help but notice that Bennett is very skinny, and white is built like a tank and a better athlete to boot. That's going to be a huge asset behind what's going to probably be a terrible offensive line next year

Youre a clown said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Ya I don't see the WW hype. The Sicem insiders made him sound a bit underwhelming during the preseason

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I wouldn't put a lot of stock into those reports TBH. A lot of what they're seeing are basically drills. Frankly, the insiders were also saying that Shapen was way better than Bohannon based on practices, so I'm a little skeptical of their judgment

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Ya I love the mods and they run a great site but they've been off a lot, I think the best insider information recently has been coming from individuals posters. Part of the reason I didn't renew my premium after last month

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If the new AD is delivering on the Big $$$ he is billed to the Baylor Nation as attracting, it doesn't have to be either or.

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Exactly. Especially if there is a donor who says "I will give you this money if you get DJ and then use the money from others to go after other players."

When I was in grad school at UT chance mock beat out Vince Young to win starting job. Lesson for medepth charts don't mean much until everyone is facing live bullets, but particularly for an elite big QB whose main skill is you can run him between the tackles without worrying about him getting hurt.

That was also why Gerry was always more productive than shapen despite being a better practice QB. On fourth down Gerry gets you an extra yard and shapen slides. On average 2-3 games a year are decided by a short yardage play or two. That's how we lost to tcu in 2022, which to me was the definitive moment for this teams trajectory since then. Even this year if sawyer could have run like 2024 sawyer I think we likely win 2-3 more games, particularly because Bryson and Dawson went down.

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When I was in grad school at UT chance mock beat out Vince Young to win starting job. Lesson for me-depth charts don't mean much until everyone is facing live bullets, but particularly for an elite big QB whose main skill is you can run him between the tackles without worrying about him getting hurt.

That was also why Gerry was always more productive than shapen despite being a better practice QB. On fourth down Gerry gets you an extra yard and shapen slides. On average 2-3 games a year are decided by a short yardage play or two. That's how we lost to tcu in 2022, which to me was the definitive moment for this teams trajectory since then. Even this year if sawyer could have run like 2024 sawyer I think we likely win 2-3 more games, particularly because Bryson and Dawson went down.

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If it was my job on the line I would never have a small Qb on my team. You can't trust them to not get hurt ant any moment and tank your season. Think about how many QBs roasted us this year just by being big and willing to run, even if not great passers.

Give me DJ or Walker and I trust Spav to give them a complimentary passing scheme to make the offense productive.

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IowaBear said:

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Walker White couldn't even beat out Nate Bennett on the depth chart. There's nothing to show White is worth a crap.

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Dave said Nate played only because older. In reality Dave probably didn't want to show him to suitors. He's of course unproven but highest ranked qb we have had in quite some time.

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Maybe we can see if Dequan Finn has another year

Ewalker80 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Walker White couldn't even beat out Nate Bennett on the depth chart. There's nothing to show White is worth a crap.

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Dave said Nate played only because older. In reality Dave probably didn't want to show him to suitors. He's of course unproven but highest ranked qb we have had in quite some time.

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IL logic kills me. His job is to win games and develop players. If they leave, his job is to win games and develop the players who stay

A source close to PFSN says that TCU is a team to watch for Drew Mestemaker 👀

TCU QB Josh Hoover put up volume in 2025 -- 3,472 yards, 29 TDs, and 13 INTs -- but Mestemaker quietly outpaced him in production and efficiency. The former walk-on led the entire country with 4,129… pic.twitter.com/XhNeOidRdN

— PFSN College (@PFSNcollege) December 17, 2025

oh heck NO

boognish_bear said:

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A source close to PFSN says that TCU is a team to watch for Drew Mestemaker 👀

TCU QB Josh Hoover put up volume in 2025 -- 3,472 yards, 29 TDs, and 13 INTs -- but Mestemaker quietly outpaced him in production and efficiency. The former walk-on led the entire country with 4,129… pic.twitter.com/XhNeOidRdN

— PFSN College (@PFSNcollege) December 17, 2025

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If Josh can cut through our defense like butter, I don't even want to see what Drew would do

Youre a clown said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Ya I don't see the WW hype. The Sicem insiders made him sound a bit underwhelming during the preseason

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I wouldn't put a lot of stock into those reports TBH. A lot of what they're seeing are basically drills. Frankly, the insiders were also saying that Shapen was way better than Bohannon based on practices, so I'm a little skeptical of their judgment

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this site is almost as bad at talent evaluation as Dave

Youre a clown said:

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can't help but notice that Bennett is very skinny, and white is built like a tank and a better athlete to boot. That's going to be a huge asset behind what's going to probably be a terrible offensive line next year

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This. Whoever gets the nod is going to spend a good bit of time running for his life...and don't look for help from the portal either. What's there so far on the O line is pretty meh.

My depth chart is:

Walker White
Edward Griffin

I'm really not impressed with 6'1", 170 lbs with offers from Baylor, San Jose State, Utah State, Western Michigan, and Liberty.

Strictly from a business standpoint, getting Lagway would be huge. Right now, the prospect of Baylor football next season being entertaining enough to choose watching it over "Taxi" reruns is slim to none. We're talking "The Ocho" all season long. But having a highly coveted 5 star for next season would generate a lot of interest and attention nationally and might even fill the stadium next year, at least in the beginning. Especially if they land a good WR and a couple OL in the portal. Not a fan of NIL/free agency college football, but for the sake of drawing eyeballs and hence $ and staying somewhat relevant, he'd be a real good get.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Strictly from a business standpoint, getting Lagway would be huge. Right now, the prospect of Baylor football next season being entertaining enough to choose watching it over "Taxi" reruns is slim to none. We're talking "The Ocho" all season long. But having a highly coveted 5 star for next season would generate a lot of interest and attention nationally and might even fill the stadium next year, at least in the beginning. Especially if they land a good WR and a couple OL in the portal. Not a fan of NIL/free agency college football, but for the sake of drawing eyeballs and hence $ and staying somewhat relevant, he'd be a real good get.

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This is absolutely correct.

That said if he's running for his life all game long because we couldn't afford him & enough OL transfers, or we're losing games 52-42 because we couldn't afford him along with enough OL & enough DL transfers, then the glowing narrative fades really fast as the Ls pile up.

So it really comes down to how much NIL we can generate. If our biggest boosters* get reengaged then we certainly could land DJ and the right OL & DL prospects to completely turn the program around in one year. If we're just a bit under that...is our QB room, as is, good enough to win big with a shiny new OL and a revamped Defense?

I do think that's very possible. Blowing out Auburn in Atlanta would get us in the spotlight instantly whoever is QB (although in agreement with the post above, DJ would maxx the intensity of that spotlight).

So I don't envy Doug, Aaron and Dave right now...I'm sure none of those three guys is getting much sleep right now...



*once again, I want to publicly thank Jeremy Fudge for sticking by the program we all love through thick and thin with amazing generosity.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Strictly from a business standpoint, getting Lagway would be huge. Right now, the prospect of Baylor football next season being entertaining enough to choose watching it over "Taxi" reruns is slim to none. We're talking "The Ocho" all season long. But having a highly coveted 5 star for next season would generate a lot of interest and attention nationally and might even fill the stadium next year, at least in the beginning. Especially if they land a good WR and a couple OL in the portal. Not a fan of NIL/free agency college football, but for the sake of drawing eyeballs and hence $ and staying somewhat relevant, he'd be a real good get.

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This is absolutely correct.

That said if he's running for his life all game long because we couldn't afford him & enough OL transfers, or we're losing games 52-42 because we couldn't afford him along with enough OL & enough DL transfers, then the glowing narrative fades really fast as the Ls pile up.

So it really comes down to how much NIL we can generate. If our biggest boosters* get reengaged then we certainly could land DJ and the right OL & DL prospects to completely turn the program around in one year. If we're just a bit under that...is our QB room, as is, good enough to win big with a shiny new OL and a revamped Defense?

I do think that's very possible. Blowing out Auburn in Atlanta would get us in the spotlight instantly whoever is QB (although in agreement with the post above, DJ would maxx the intensity of that spotlight).

So I don't envy Doug, Aaron and Dave right now...I'm sure none of those three guys is getting much sleep right now...



*once again, I want to publicly thank Jeremy Fudge for sticking by the program we all love through thick and thin with amazing generosity.

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Absent being able to pay materially more money for the players that we want (which we can't do), I don't know how we attract good players to consider Baylor in the current state of our program. We need to make a splash and capture some positive headlines, and signing Lagway can certainly do that.

Buying 15 straight seasons of 30 million dollar teams is still less than what we have spent on new facilities over the past 15 years.