Art Briles ENMU super thread

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Let's gooooooooooooooo!

Delmar 2.0
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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


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Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.


Led by woke hypocritical ruhtards.
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2026 Greyhounds Schedule

The season kicks off on August 27th against New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas.

Flo Sports is the streaming service that will be carrying their games
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Realitybites said:

2026 Greyhounds Schedule

The season kicks off on August 27th against New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas.

Flo Sports is the streaming service that will be carrying their games
I just signed up!
BigGameBaylorBear
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Now THATS a football coach right there! You couldn't post this on the premium board without getting screamed at by the usual suspects.

I bet Art makes a solid football team out of these guys. I wonder which D1 school will have the balls to hire him first
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

Now THATS a football coach right there! You couldn't post this on the premium board without getting screamed at by the usual suspects.

I bet Art makes a solid football team out of these guys. I wonder which D1 school will have the balls to hire him first


Probably an sec Mississippi school
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canoso said:

Realitybites said:

2026 Greyhounds Schedule

The season kicks off on August 27th against New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas.

Flo Sports is the streaming service that will be carrying their games

I just signed up!

Don't forget to add ENMU as a favorite school. I'm sure that's something that gets tracked. Really looking forward to seeing a CAB team back in action after years of Arandaball.
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is that former Midway coach, Jeff Hulme, as associate head Coach and DC? That's nuts
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Buttpanda said:

is that former Midway coach, Jeff Hulme, as associate head Coach and DC? That's nuts

Yeah read the profiles on each coach, it's pretty interesting!
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Baylor ties and Lebby. Go Hounds!
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).
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guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bryant, no. Cignetti, no. However, in ALL of Baylor football history, there was never a match for the excitement, confidence, euphoria that was generated amongst our fans than in his era. His approach to offense was hard for defenses then. Probably today the elite teams would do a better job defending it; however, victories, excitement, and confidence would still be hanging around. Tough to deny..
guadalupeoso
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AC/DC said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bryant, no. Cignetti, no. However, in ALL of Baylor football history, there was never a match for the excitement, confidence, euphoria that was generated amongst our fans than in his era. His approach to offense was hard for defenses then. Probably today the elite teams would do a better job defending it; however, victories, excitement, and confidence would still be hanging around. Tough to deny.

No doubt, he was the most successful coach in Baylor history (you can argue overall legacy with Grant Teaff), and it was definitely the most exciting era. But in terms of him leading us to national championships or having us as a perennial top 5 team, that did not happen and I don't think was set to happen. We would have stayed near the top of the Big 12, but it's a big jump from "perennial Big 12 contender" to "national title contender." We never even came close to pulling off what Cignetti just pulled off at Indiana.

And I think winning heals all. Art Briles was able to have us win consistently in the Big 12. But I got just as much enjoyment out of the 2021 season as I did the 2013 or 2014 seasons. This idea that winning was somehow more fun because it was Art Briles leading us to victories is weird to me. But a lot of fans on this board seem to feel that way.
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Art had the good fortune of following Dave Robert's and his 4-18 record and 2-14 Big 12. Then it got even worse with Kevin Steele who posted a 9-36 overall & a horrific 1-31 in Big 12

He was helped along by Guy Morriss who put up an 18-40 overall and a 7-33 Big 12

Baylor fans weren't on life support, we were dead and buried. Art started digging us up in 2008 & 2009 with back-to-back 4-8 seasons overall and 3-13 Big 12. 2010 was the turning point with a 7-6 season, our first winning season in 15 years!

To go from 15 years of embarrassment to going 10-3, 8-5, 11-2, 11-2 & 10-3 was more success than Baylor folks had had ever seen before.

The best season in Baylor history, 2021 with a Sugar Bowl win and a 12-2 record with 5 wins over ranked opponents, gets lost after going 17-21 afterwards.
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guadalupeoso said:

AC/DC said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bryant, no. Cignetti, no. However, in ALL of Baylor football history, there was never a match for the excitement, confidence, euphoria that was generated amongst our fans than in his era. His approach to offense was hard for defenses then. Probably today the elite teams would do a better job defending it; however, victories, excitement, and confidence would still be hanging around. Tough to deny.

No doubt, he was the most successful coach in Baylor history (you can argue overall legacy with Grant Teaff), and it was definitely the most exciting era. But in terms of him leading us to national championships or having us as a perennial top 5 team, that did not happen and I don't think was set to happen. We would have stayed near the top of the Big 12, but it's a big jump from "perennial Big 12 contender" to "national title contender." We never even came close to pulling off what Cignetti just pulled off at Indiana.

And I think winning heals all. Art Briles was able to have us win consistently in the Big 12. But I got just as much enjoyment out of the 2021 season as I did the 2013 or 2014 seasons. This idea that winning was somehow more fun because it was Art Briles leading us to victories is weird to me. But a lot of fans on this board seem to feel that way.


Bull.

Anyone who watched Baylor knew the 2015 team before Russell was injured was unstoppable. They were going to the national championship with a chance to win it all.

For the same reasons Cam Newton won a championship at Auburn.

Russell was simply too good and too balanced to be stopped. We had a team with NFL talent on both sides of the ball. We had a senior OL.

Don't even try to tell me I'm wrong.
guadalupeoso
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Eh. I think you're wrong. That 2015 team was really good, but there was a long way to go before the natty. We've seen lots of "unstoppable" teams lose in the playoff era.

But also, the original post I'm responding to was saying that Indiana "could have been us." Which is just not true because Curt Cignetti won a national championship in year 3 at Indiana and Art Briles was at Baylor for 7 years and didn't. It's just a fact.
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guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

Hmmmm! Okay. Go Bears! Go SING and Gymnastics and Tumbling! SIC 'EM!!!!!
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guadalupeoso said:

AC/DC said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bryant, no. Cignetti, no. However, in ALL of Baylor football history, there was never a match for the excitement, confidence, euphoria that was generated amongst our fans than in his era. His approach to offense was hard for defenses then. Probably today the elite teams would do a better job defending it; however, victories, excitement, and confidence would still be hanging around. Tough to deny.

No doubt, he was the most successful coach in Baylor history (you can argue overall legacy with Grant Teaff), and it was definitely the most exciting era. But in terms of him leading us to national championships or having us as a perennial top 5 team, that did not happen and I don't think was set to happen. We would have stayed near the top of the Big 12, but it's a big jump from "perennial Big 12 contender" to "national title contender." We never even came close to pulling off what Cignetti just pulled off at Indiana.

And I think winning heals all. Art Briles was able to have us win consistently in the Big 12. But I got just as much enjoyment out of the 2021 season as I did the 2013 or 2014 seasons. This idea that winning was somehow more fun because it was Art Briles leading us to victories is weird to me. But a lot of fans on this board seem to feel that way.


Nick Saban may disagree with you. He was concerned enough that he made a big stink about the HUNH offense being dangerous for the players. Of course he only griped about it until he adopted it. Player safety be damned, I guess.
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guadalupeoso said:

Eh. I think you're wrong. That 2015 team was really good, but there was a long way to go before the natty. We've seen lots of "unstoppable" teams lose in the playoff era.

But also, the original post I'm responding to was saying that Indiana "could have been us." Which is just not true because Curt Cignetti won a national championship in year 3 at Indiana and Art Briles was at Baylor for 7 years and didn't. It's just a fact.

We saw what a player like Cam Newton or Jameis Winston could do. They were the difference between their team winning a national championship and a team that couldn't even win their conference. Someone like that comes around every now and again, and that was Seth Russell.

Bryce Petty was 1 dimensional, and teams learned to scheme around him. Russell was a true 2 dimensional player, and there are no college teams who can defend that when you have a good O-line.

We had NFL players on defense, pro bowlers even. We were good on all sides of the ball.
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hodedofome said:

guadalupeoso said:

Eh. I think you're wrong. That 2015 team was really good, but there was a long way to go before the natty. We've seen lots of "unstoppable" teams lose in the playoff era.

But also, the original post I'm responding to was saying that Indiana "could have been us." Which is just not true because Curt Cignetti won a national championship in year 3 at Indiana and Art Briles was at Baylor for 7 years and didn't. It's just a fact.

We saw what a player like Cam Newton or Jameis Winston could do. They were the difference between their team winning a national championship and a team that couldn't even win their conference. Someone like that comes around every now and again, and that was Seth Russell.

Bryce Petty was 1 dimensional, and teams learned to scheme around him. Russell was a true 2 dimensional player, and there are no college teams who can defend that when you have a good O-line.

We had NFL players on defense, pro bowlers even. We were good on all sides of the ball.

No doubt that that team had potential to go the playoff, and may have even been good enough to compete for a national title. Yet again, I will say, Cignetti won a title in year 3. We are talking about a team that "may" have been good enough to win it in year 6. it's just not the same.

Edit: Seth Russell, while a great quarterback, who was on pace to have an exceptional (Heisman qualifying) year, was not Cam Newton. Full stop. He might have been Jameis, but we even saw Jameis get pushed around in the playoff 2014 when their team graduated a bunch of the supporting cast. Also, prior to the Iowa State game where Russell got hurt, while Seth's numbers were awesome, we hadn't played the toughest teams on our schedule yet. I think he would have held up fine against them, but you certainly can't crown him as Cam Newton 2.0 based on that. Touch grass.
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August 27th is pretty damn soon!

While I don't want to sign up for a new streaming service I will see if someone throws it up on YouTube so I can watch it live. If not, I'll just watch highlights or a replay. I am curious to see what CAB's team looks like.

With NIL ruining the competitive balance of the Big 12 (and P4 football in general) the lower levels may be more interesting than they would have been under the old college football model.

Bottom line I like CAB and I like his offensive style of football. For me it is entertaining although I understand that others just do not care. To each his own.
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hodedofome said:


Bull.

Anyone who watched Baylor knew the 2015 team before Russell was injured was unstoppable. They were going to the national championship with a chance to win it all.

For the same reasons Cam Newton won a championship at Auburn.

Russell was simply too good and too balanced to be stopped. We had a team with NFL talent on both sides of the ball. We had a senior OL.

Don't even try to tell me I'm wrong.


Double Bull!

That's like me saying, "oh if we had not thrown 4 interception, lost 2 fumbles and drove to the 6, 22 and 24 yard lines and missed all 3 field goals because our kicker was out injured we would have been playing for the National Championship."

The 2015 team lost 3 conference games, finished 4th in the Big 12 letting the worst Texas Longhorn team in modern history embarrass us in Waco.

If I remember correctly Arthur tried to go through that season with Stidham, Johnson, Russell & some kid named Bennema. Johnson was not a QB and did Bennema ever take a snap? Regardless, our 2 QBs were emulating battering rams lowering their heads and trying to run over defenses when we all knew we were a 2 QB team.

We then tried to have Johnson winging the ball downfield in a howling storm vs. TCU, a team with a couple of freshmen starting on the Toad defense. It took until the Russell Jock Strap Bowl before the light bulb came on and we steam rolled UNC. We could have done that to OU, TCU & Texas had we just tried.

6-3 in conference play, regardless of QB injuries is not championship material.
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guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.
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Coach Grant Teaff took over a sad Baylor program that was seriously considering dropping the football program.

Prior to GT's arrival in 1972 BU had gone 17-54 overall and 10-39 in SWC play since 1965. The 3 years before GT arrived Bill Beall had gone 3-28 overall and 1-20 in conference play.

Within TWO (2) years Grant took the Bears to the Cotton Bowl and 6 years later did it again posting the first 10 win season in school history.

He did this while Darrell Royal was stockpiling talent for years down in Austin and the same thing was taking place over in College Station along with some rampant cheating.

RG3 was a Godsend. A generational player & a QB. Ours was Mike Singletary, a linebacker, which is very difficult to pull votes for the Heisman. Mike only lasted 12 years in the NFL and was a 10 time pro bowler.

Grant's teams won the conference twice outright without sharing it or hoping a team would lose.

The Baylor in the 70's and early 80's was essentially run out of a shoebox with a very limited budget. When I got there in 1977 there were still 1 gallon paint cans filled with concrete and a pipe stuck between them for weight training. Universal gyms were still in use.

The new stadium was earmarked for the Brazos River across from campus even before Baylor got into the Big 12.

I understand how you young kids adore Art. I did too until I learned a few things. GT left Baylor in great shape. I can't say that about Art.
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Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.
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guadalupeoso said:

Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.
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Thee University said:

Coach Grant Teaff took over a sad Baylor program that was seriously considering dropping the football program.

Prior to GT's arrival in 1972 BU had gone 17-54 overall and 10-39 in SWC play since 1965. The 3 years before GT arrived Bill Beall had gone 3-28 overall and 1-20 in conference play.

Within TWO (2) years Grant took the Bears to the Cotton Bowl and 6 years later did it again posting the first 10 win season in school history.

He did this while Darrell Royal was stockpiling talent for years down in Austin and the same thing was taking place over in College Station along with some rampant cheating.

RG3 was a Godsend. A generational player & a QB. Ours was Mike Singletary, a linebacker, which is very difficult to pull votes for the Heisman. Mike only lasted 12 years in the NFL and was a 10 time pro bowler.

Grant's teams won the conference twice outright without sharing it or hoping a team would lose.

The Baylor in the 70's and early 80's was essentially run out of a shoebox with a very limited budget. When I got there in 1977 there were still 1 gallon paint cans filled with concrete and a pipe stuck between them for weight training. Universal gyms were still in use.

The new stadium was earmarked for the Brazos River across from campus even before Baylor got into the Big 12.

I understand how you young kids adore Art. I did too until I learned a few things. GT left Baylor in great shape. I can't say that about Art.

Pavlov rules!
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mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.
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Greyhounds were 3-8 last 2 years in a row and haven't had a winning season since 2019. Will be intereseting to see how long it takes Art & Co to make some progress.
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guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.
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PaperBear89 said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

I think that very well could have been the case also.
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PaperBear89 said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

Nah, we had him for a decent run to come. He wasn't leaving Texas. Had flirted with and not gone to Tech or UT, who had just hired a new coach. Talked too much trash on ATM to go there. Was finally beginning to get elite talent to commit to Baylor. We were in for a really nice run, at least 4-5 years until UT went back to the well.
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Thee University said:

Coach Grant Teaff took over a sad Baylor program that was seriously considering dropping the football program.

Prior to GT's arrival in 1972 BU had gone 17-54 overall and 10-39 in SWC play since 1965. The 3 years before GT arrived Bill Beall had gone 3-28 overall and 1-20 in conference play.

Within TWO (2) years Grant took the Bears to the Cotton Bowl and 6 years later did it again posting the first 10 win season in school history.

He did this while Darrell Royal was stockpiling talent for years down in Austin and the same thing was taking place over in College Station along with some rampant cheating.

RG3 was a Godsend. A generational player & a QB. Ours was Mike Singletary, a linebacker, which is very difficult to pull votes for the Heisman. Mike only lasted 12 years in the NFL and was a 10 time pro bowler.

Grant's teams won the conference twice outright without sharing it or hoping a team would lose.

The Baylor in the 70's and early 80's was essentially run out of a shoebox with a very limited budget. When I got there in 1977 there were still 1 gallon paint cans filled with concrete and a pipe stuck between them for weight training. Universal gyms were still in use.

The new stadium was earmarked for the Brazos River across from campus even before Baylor got into the Big 12.

I understand how you young kids adore Art. I did too until I learned a few things. GT left Baylor in great shape. I can't say that about Art.

Thee is correct. Whatever Briles inherited, Teaff had much less. Plus, Teaff was in a tougher league.

As Thee points out, Teaff saved football at BU. And, as he points out, he left BU in great shape, which Briles did not.

Grant Teaff was without question the greatest coach in BU history. It's not even close.
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