GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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Maybe they (bor) cried out to God
Or maybe that (as I believe) will come at a later time.
It's Owl time

GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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This is a media create point that Briles didn't report that particular issue to Title IX. Just because 95% of schools required all knowledgeable employees to report directly to Title IX does not mean that was Baylor's policy. We still have no public source yet on what Baylor's official policy was at the time. As a department head and interim president, Garland should have known this. His deposition was very sad.

The question that I have from your post GG1234 is why was Ian's head not up on the chopping block if the event was reported to him and it was not reported to Judicial Affairs. If this event was a significant event to the regents (set aside the media's focus) then was Ian not the focus of a suspension with intent to fire. Seems he and Briles should of had reversed outcomes if we focus on both events.

Don't get to excited boys. I still believe Briles did enough to get the axe. But from what little info that I hsve, there were other alternatives. He f'ed up guys. He got caught. It might have just been over assaults (beatings), domestic violence, drugs, alcohol, etc. You know minor stuff that happens every Thursday night at Penland.

NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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This is a media create point that Briles didn't report that particular issue to Title IX. Just because 95% of schools required all knowledgeable employees to report directly to Title IX does not mean that was Baylor's policy. We still have no public source yet on what Baylor's official policy was at the time. As a department head and interim president, Garland should have known this. His deposition was very sad.

The question that I have from your post GG1234 is why was Ian's head not up on the chopping block if the event was reported to him and it was not reported to Judicial Affairs. If this event was a significant event to the regents (set aside the media's focus) then was Ian not the focus of a suspension with intent to fire. Seems he and Briles should of had reversed outcomes if we focus on both events.

Don't get to excited boys. I still believe Briles did enough to get the axe. But from what little info that I hsve, there were other alternatives. He f'ed up guys. He got caught. It might have just been over assaults (beatings), domestic violence, drugs, alcohol, etc. You know minor stuff that happens every Thursday night at Penland.

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I'm almost sure that Ian's head was on the chopping block. There was a local news report (KWTX?) that I recall having details that after both had gone before the board, they spoke and expected Ian to be fired. Briles then got a call from Ian saying-It's not me; it's you.or something like that but that phrase sticks with me for some reason. Ian had to be kept to hire Grobe also because Starr was gone too so they had no reporting chain at that point.

That's not how you spell off base.

In 2014, when this happened, there were 11,000 institutions of higher education in America with Clery Reporting requirements. Of them, 91% reported 0 rape/sexual assault/sexual misconduct.

Baylor was not at all alone. People who expected their regents to know everything about Title IX are off base.

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That's not how you spell off base.

In 2014, when this happened, there were 11,000 institutions of higher education in America with Clery Reporting requirements. Of them, 91% reported 0 rape/sexual assault/sexual misconduct.

Baylor was not at all alone. People who expected their regents to know everything about Title IX are off base.

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In 2014, how many institutions of higher learning with more than 10,000 undergraduate students (on campus) reported zero sexual assaults?

NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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This is a media create point that Briles didn't report that particular issue to Title IX. Just because 95% of schools required all knowledgeable employees to report directly to Title IX does not mean that was Baylor's policy. We still have no public source yet on what Baylor's official policy was at the time. As a department head and interim president, Garland should have known this. His deposition was very sad.

The question that I have from your post GG1234 is why was Ian's head not up on the chopping block if the event was reported to him and it was not reported to Judicial Affairs. If this event was a significant event to the regents (set aside the media's focus) then was Ian not the focus of a suspension with intent to fire. Seems he and Briles should of had reversed outcomes if we focus on both events.

Don't get to excited boys. I still believe Briles did enough to get the axe. But from what little info that I hsve, there were other alternatives. He f'ed up guys. He got caught. It might have just been over assaults (beatings), domestic violence, drugs, alcohol, etc. You know minor stuff that happens every Thursday night at Penland.

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I have never found anything clearly stating what school policy was at that time, but it has been stated many times by the regents that Briles was in violation of school policy by not reporting.

From the Shillinglaw response, the BOR voted overwhelmingly to terminate both Briles & McCaw. They did think the two deserved to speak to them first. McCaw was very prepared and outlined a plan to take care of problems and go forward. Briles was not and his only response about the future was that he would do whatever they told him to do.

After the interviews they changed McCaw to probation, but Briles poor showing before the BOR gave them the conclusion that he could never be the disciplinarian needed for change.

For those who say they were other ways to go, I believe the door to that was slightly left open. Briles was not able to open it and step through.

As we beat the dead horse some more, they have repeatedly said no one thing is the reason.

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.
, When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs.

The regents stated

"Pepper Hamilton concluded that a number of factors had contributed to the code of silence
within football. Those factors included the absence of a full-time Title IX Coordinator prior to
November 2014, unclear reporting procedures, and inadequate Title IX training for Athletics
Department personnel. However, Pepper Hamilton also concluded that Coach Briles and McCaw
knew that Judicial Affairs had jurisdiction for investigating sexual assaults. Indeed, on April 23,
2013 the very same day Coach Briles learned about the student-athlete's account of being gang
raped he was forwarded a letter stating that Judicial Affairs had investigated and cleared another
one of his players of sexual assault allegations. "

If there is anything to refute this I would like to see it.

Keyser Soze said:

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You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs.

The regents stated

"Pepper Hamilton concluded that a number of factors had contributed to the code of silence
within football. Those factors included the absence of a full-time Title IX Coordinator prior to
November 2014, unclear reporting procedures, and inadequate Title IX training for Athletics
Department personnel. However, Pepper Hamilton also concluded that Coach Briles and McCaw
knew that Judicial Affairs had jurisdiction for investigating sexual assaults. Indeed, on April 23,
2013 the very same day Coach Briles learned about the student-athlete's account of being gang
raped he was forwarded a letter stating that Judicial Affairs had investigated and cleared another
one of his players of sexual assault allegations. "

If there is anything to refute this I would like to see it.

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Is there anything to corroborate it? Are you questioning the poster's account of events or Barnes' account?

Here you go again making assumptions on things that were NOT said. If the girl told everyone that she "didn't want to report" the incident, how does that statement confine itself only to police? If she had wanted something done about the incident, she would have reported it 10 months earlier, not the day before she withdrew from school.

Not my words - her words from her Title IX lawsuit. Now obviously you can claim she is a lair or inaccurate, but not an assumption on my part.

I encourage all to read "Violated" - the one thing it does that is lost in shorter news articles is put a face on victims. The trauma is great and PTSD is the norm not the exception. They don't always think like you and I would and the "she should have reported 10 months earlier" is meaningless next to the reality of a traumatized victim.

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Keyser Soze said:

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You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs.

The regents stated

"Pepper Hamilton concluded that a number of factors had contributed to the code of silence
within football. Those factors included the absence of a full-time Title IX Coordinator prior to
November 2014, unclear reporting procedures, and inadequate Title IX training for Athletics
Department personnel. However, Pepper Hamilton also concluded that Coach Briles and McCaw
knew that Judicial Affairs had jurisdiction for investigating sexual assaults. Indeed, on April 23,
2013 the very same day Coach Briles learned about the student-athlete's account of being gang
raped he was forwarded a letter stating that Judicial Affairs had investigated and cleared another
one of his players of sexual assault allegations. "

If there is anything to refute this I would like to see it.

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Is there anything to corroborate it? Are you questioning the poster's account of events or Barnes' account?

Here you go again making assumptions on things that were NOT said. If the girl told everyone that she "didn't want to report" the incident, how does that statement confine itself only to police? If she had wanted something done about the incident, she would have reported it 10 months earlier, not the day before she withdrew from school.

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Aren't you doing the same thing. Assume the girl's response is accurate, There was a question. You are assuming the question wasn't "Do you want me to call the police."

My employer makes this a mandatory report by any employee with knowledge to the Title IX Coordinator. It is my person call to report to the police. Any Clery Act instance is my call for an ambulance or police. The victim can refuse either. No repercussions if I do or don't call ambulance. I am encouraged to call campus police and city police if I think it is necessary. I then must report to my superviser. Suspected mental health issues I report to somebody on the team. I repeat this to make the point that I knew this policy clearly in 2013 (Mental Health has been modified as we now have on-campus counselors). We still do not know Baylor's policy. If it was a written employee manual policy, then I am shocked it has not leaked. It appears to me that Baylor and Ian both ran loose shops. Art recruited some "bad dudes." Baylor is paying for that.

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Not my words - her words from her Title IX lawsuit. Now obviously you can claim she is a lair or inaccurate, but not an assumption on my part.

I encourage all to read "Violated" - the one thing it does that is lost in shorter news articles is put a face on victims. The trauma is great and PTSD is the norm not the exception. They don't always think like you and I would and the "she should have reported 10 months earlier" is meaningless next to the reality of a traumatized victim.

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The "one conviction" and "if the girl didn't call police no rape happened" people are agenda driven. A few still hope to rehire Briles. I believe a few rapes happened. Briles may not own every media allegation. But I think too few people on the football staff, AD office, and Baylor Administration cared that a few rapes happened. Winning was more important.

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GG1234 said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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Maybe they (bor) cried out to God
Or maybe that (as I believe) will come at a later time.
It's Owl time

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Does Kendal's job description include making sure that dip**** Kiffin isn't left by the bus? It's been a problem in the past.

Do we need to post the Daniel Tosh video of him ridiculing Kiffin?

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Not my words - her words from her Title IX lawsuit. Now obviously you can claim she is a lair or inaccurate, but not an assumption on my part.

I encourage all to read "Violated" - the one thing it does that is lost in shorter news articles is put a face on victims. The trauma is great and PTSD is the norm not the exception. They don't always think like you and I would and the "she should have reported 10 months earlier" is meaningless next to the reality of a traumatized victim.

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The "one conviction" and "if the girl didn't call police no rape happened" people are agenda driven. A few still hope to rehire Briles. I believe a few rapes happened. Briles may not own every media allegation. But I think too few people on the football staff, AD office, and Baylor Administration cared that a few rapes happened. Winning was more important.

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Agree here.

Laziness, greed, I don't know. BUT IMO Briles, Ian and Shillinglaw looked the other way and didn't discipline their team.

The man is a football coach, but that doesn't make him a leader. Baylor made the mistake of letting Ian and Briles have too much organizational authority.

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

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Is there anything to corroborate it? Are you questioning the poster's account of events or Barnes' account?

Here you go again making assumptions on things that were NOT said. If the girl told everyone that she "didn't want to report" the incident, how does that statement confine itself only to police? If she had wanted something done about the incident, she would have reported it 10 months earlier, not the day before she withdrew from school.

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Aren't you doing the same thing. Assume the girl's response is accurate, There was a question. You are assuming the question wasn't "Do you want me to call the police."

My employer makes this a mandatory report by any employee with knowledge to the Title IX Coordinator. It is my person call to report to the police. Any Clery Act instance is my call for an ambulance or police. The victim can refuse either. No repercussions if I do or don't call ambulance. I am encouraged to call campus police and city police if I think it is necessary. I then must report to my superviser. Suspected mental health issues I report to somebody on the team. I repeat this to make the point that I knew this policy clearly in 2013 (Mental Health has been modified as we now have on-campus counselors). We still do not know Baylor's policy. If it was a written employee manual policy, then I am shocked it has not leaked. It appears to me that Baylor and Ian both ran loose shops. Art recruited some "bad dudes." Baylor is paying for that.

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No. I am taking the word of the only person put to the oath over this. Barnes' sworn testimony was that he contacted Judicial Affairs and asked about the situation (without filing a formal report), and was informed that nothing could proceed if the girl or her parents didn't want to participate, further evidence that, at the time, the girl did not want to report to the police OR Judicial Affairs.

Your scenario does not apply in this case. Neither Briles, nor Barnes witnessed the incident, and it was not reported to Barnes until more than 14 months after the incident. That "report" was the result of Barnes' urging for an explanation as to why his best player was withdrawing from school on the very day before she left the campus. Briles on the other hand only received a briefing of the so-called report, from the very person it was "reported" to. Briles was informed that it had already been reported to his immediate supervisor (who was also Barnes' immediate supervisor), who asked Barnes to tell Briles about the incident.

Since three of the players involved were already gone from campus, and the fourth was under a suspension and was on his way out the door, and since the volleyball player was withdrawing from school, a report under Title IX would have been moot, if not technically in the pipeline for only 24 hours before it would be abandoned per the policy that was evidenced again in the Faulk case.

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

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Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

GG1234- let's not forget that those regents who came out publicly against the BOFR were threatened with being personally and financially liable in any future lawsuits.

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

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Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

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The girl is not telling the truth now, or rather her lawyer is cooking the casserole. PH did not lie in the literal sense, but they did establish a door for Baylor to walk through. Unfortunately, that threshold had already been breached when the most successful volleyball coach in school history was fired prior.

The PH investigation triggered Baylor into a sort of retroactive protocol adjustment. They applied a recommended policy change (the OCR guidance) to an incident that happened when that guidance was NOT the policy of the university. This is not the first time the PH team has created this "technical" application of non-existing protocol for their clients (they did so with another institution in regard to a residence hall employee). Baylor had another problem here though. There was another employee on the very fringes of this story that had also been "alerted" to the incident simply in passing. If Briles, McCaw and Starr had to go (set aside Barnes for the moment), so did Tom Hill. The decision had to be made to sacrifice Hill in order to justify the other three.

Here is the problem that remains. The "firing" of Briles, Starr, McCaw, and Hill was a rehash of the situation from the time it happened. At that time, the decision was made that Barnes was the ONLY person responsible for the policy failure. That decision was not made in a vacuum. At the very minimum, regents on the athletic committee were aware of the details surrounding the firing of the most successful volleyball coach in school history (if not the full board) and the process and appointment of his replacement. Keyser had previously mentioned the rumors over the "parachuting" of Barnes out of Baylor. Despite his having committed the very same act as everyone else (Barnes 2 + McCaw 2 + Starr 2 + Briles 2 + Hill 2 + BOR 30), he was the only one fired at the time, and was protected from bad press to the point of immediately landing a job as the Head Volleyball Coach at Tulane. The BOR (and its minions) has tried to convince the world that the total of 40 = 8 (Briles 2 + McCaw 2 + Starr 2 + Hill 2). They hope you will overlook their previous involvement and the quiet jettisoning of Barnes. The 32 points missing from the equation.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

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Quote the text correctly. And don't try to conflate the hope that a freshman caught smoking some weed will fly under the system radar with covering up rape.

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

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Why did Baylor pay Briles millions of dollars, so he could eat Health Camp for life?

Jeez, the BOR are either evil or dumb as all get out!!!!

My alma matre is the freaking Kardashians of the Big XII...smh

MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

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At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

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Maybe they (bor) cried out to God
Or maybe that (as I believe) will come at a later time.
It's Owl time

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Does Kendal's job description include making sure that dip**** Kiffin isn't left by the bus? It's been a problem in the past.

Do we need to post the Daniel Tosh video of him ridiculing Kiffin?

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Nah maybe just post their standings , stats bowl possibilities etc.
Thanks

Keyser Soze said:

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GG1234 said:

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"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

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Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

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I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

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Keyser Soze said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

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Why did Baylor pay Briles millions of dollars, so he could eat Health Camp for life?

Jeez, the BOR are either evil or dumb as all get out!!!!

My alma matre is the freaking Kardashians of the Big XII...smh

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There's any number of reasons the BOR would pay Briles off. Sign a NDA. Gratitude. Avoid a public fight.

There's NO reason Briles signs it if he's innocent.

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

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Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

Thanks for the facts.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

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Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

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I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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I'm glad you brought that up.

I, like just about everyone else working in the corporate world, don't use a work device for personal conversations. Pretty simple concept, not sure why Briles and his jokers couldn't grasp it.

Really, who doesn't grasp that by now?

I know, how did Briles and his entire staff never watch a single episode of HBO's "The Wire"

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Keyser Soze said:

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GG1234 said:

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"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

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Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

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I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

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This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

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Keyser Soze said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

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I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

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So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

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Quote the text correctly. And don't try to conflate the hope that a freshman caught smoking some weed will fly under the system radar with covering up rape.

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The only reason I have ever mentioned it is the same reason PH did - it shows a clear pattern of not reporting events to Judicial Affairs.

We you see this deliberate pattern, it makes the "we just didn't know the rules" excuse on the bigger things harder to believe.

Keyser Soze said:

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I know, how did Briles and his entire staff never watch a single episode of HBO's "The Wire"

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Busy building a winner.