JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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Sounds like a poorly trained staff.

Easy to see how we reported 0 sexual assaults for so many years.... an admin who didn't want to know the truth and a faculty and staff that was completely untrained

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#IJustDidn'tKnowWhatToDo

Yeah....right

BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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Sounds like a poorly trained staff.

Easy to see how we reported 0 sexual assaults for so many years.... an admin who didn't want to know the truth and a faculty and staff that was completely untrained

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The best training in the world wouldn't matter if the culture in place was that football was above the law.

We KNOW Briles hid things from JA at will. We know he directed others to, as well. We also know Briles had essentially set up a system where he was the last to know things.

In any case, people can blame "training" but to do so, you have to say you acted in good faith. The guy clearly didn't forward a report from a student/staff member in need, and then turned a blind eye to it.

I don't know about you, but a normal human being, when told someone under their purview potentially raped someone, will want to know what happened and probably not stop until something is found out -unless they enjoyed being in the dark.

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how does this account for the 90% that had nothing to do with athletics... Briles must have been everywhere

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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Sounds like a poorly trained staff.

Easy to see how we reported 0 sexual assaults for so many years.... an admin who didn't want to know the truth and a faculty and staff that was completely untrained

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The best training in the world wouldn't matter if the culture in place was that football was above the law.

We KNOW Briles hid things from JA at will. We know he directed others to, as well. We also know Briles had essentially set up a system where he was the last to know things.

In any case, people can blame "training" but to do so, you have to say you acted in good faith. The guy clearly didn't forward a report from a student/staff member in need, and then turned a blind eye to it.

I don't know about you, but a normal human being, when told someone under their purview potentially raped someone, will want to know what happened and probably not stop until something is found out -unless they enjoyed being in the dark.

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how does this account for the 90% that had nothing to do with athletics... Briles must have been everywhere

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you are blaming a campus wide institutional problem on the football coach. There are dozens of people where this buck should have stopped before it got to the HFC.

cute meme though

Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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you are blaming a campus wide institutional problem on the football coach. There are dozens of people where this buck should have stopped before it got to the HFC.

cute meme though

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Simply put, whataboutism refers to the bringing up of one issue in order to distract from the discussion of another. It does not apply to the comparison and analysis of two similar issues in terms such as why some are given more social prominence than others.

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

Obviously there was a complete failure across the campus and no one knew or wanted to know what to do about it. Total Admin failure and total lack of training of faculty and staff


but Briles is rape so...

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Obviously there was a complete failure across the campus and no one knew or wanted to know what to do about it. Total Admin failure and total lack of training of faculty and staff


but Briles is rape so...

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rape accusations. 0/0/0

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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Keyser Soze said:

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If they didn't know to report to Judicial Affairs why did they deliberately keep other issues away from Judicial Affairs?

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That question doesn't even make sense.

I could know that JA adjudicates a variety of things (including the given example of underage drinking or pot), without that indicating anything about how much I have been trained regarding reporting policies that would apply to the volleyball player scenario.

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So you agree the University should know about pot and drinking, just not rape.

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Are you purposefully trying to miss the point or do you really have trouble with reading comprehension?

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I understand his point fine, I just find it exceptionally weak -

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Your responses to his posts seem to suggest otherwise.

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When a dead body is found on the floor do your really even need the seminar to call officials?

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I think X took over your keyboard again.

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You cover for the scandal ridden former staff and make them look really bad. They must be really stupid outside the coaching profession. I don't know who or what kind of jokers would let Lebby or Shill run around their programs. We need IQ tests for those guys.

Let me get this straight, those in charge at Baylor used less common sense, situational awareness and critical thinking than a homeless camp when dealing with very serious issues?

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Obviously there was a complete failure across the campus and no one knew or wanted to know what to do about it. Total Admin failure and total lack of training of faculty and staff


but Briles is rape so...

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Face of rape. He played his hand poorly and caused a protest. The Wall Street Journal was the result.
He clinched it by suing Baylor then abruptly turning around and dropping it.
For some reason, they must have not realized the NCAA is made up of SCHOOLS, NOT COACHES!
How hard was it to figure out that when you sue a business organization member that you might face bad results later?

Our athletic department had less common sense, situational awareness and values than a homeless camp. There was less leadership than a homeless camp. A homeless camp generally has the wisest bum as their leader. We had Ian.

Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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Yessir. 14 months is mighty long to wait. And I think this situation was despicably recorded. Im sure that girl knew it was recorded too. Doesn't take much effort from the real police side to get the DA to ask a judge to sign off on a warrant to go after some cell phones.

Chanceux said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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Yessir. 14 months is mighty long to wait. And I think this situation was despicably recorded. Im sure that girl knew it was recorded too. Doesn't take much effort from the real police side to get the DA to sign off on a warrant to go after some cell phones.

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Well, when was the last time you had a DA sign off on a warrant? If you are going to post something like above, you might want to realize that the DA doesn't sign off on a warrant. There is something called a judge and those phone companies don't exactly spread their legs for people to take information from them like a $20 *****. Have you purchased a forensic analysis of a phone or a computer lately? Those guys make a killing and those things take time. CSI is fantasy television.

xiledinok said:

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Chanceux said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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Yessir. 14 months is mighty long to wait. And I think this situation was despicably recorded. Im sure that girl knew it was recorded too. Doesn't take much effort from the real police side to get the DA to sign off on a warrant to go after some cell phones.

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Well, when was the last time you had a DA sign off on a warrant? If you are going to post something like above, you might want to realize that the DA doesn't sign off on a warrant. There is something called a judge and those phone companies don't exactly spread their legs for people to take information from them like a $20 *****. Have you purchased a forensic analysis of a phone or a computer lately? Those guys make a killing and those things take time. CSI is fantasy television.

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Thats what I meant. Go to the DA's office and they get a judge to sign off on it. If it was being shared around and if the coaching staff had that video I dont think it would have been a problem. PH got info off cell phones didnt they?

I went ahead and corrected it for ya.

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

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The fact that the BoR/administration apologists are still in full obfuscation mode, both here and elsewhere, is clear evidence that neither the BoR nor the administration has learned, or has any interest in learning, jack squat from this debacle.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you find yourself not being able to get over it, try denial. You have a good track record with that.

So, your point is that Briles didn't deserve getting in trouble for what he did (and there was a lot, not just this one case, but a whole cocktail of them -which his defenders refuse to admit- that led to his firing) because other people didn't get fired as well?

Listen, man. You guys keep trying to minimize each one of his actions as if they happened in a vacuum. They didn't. Then, you point to others and say they should be fired -when their actions actually did happen in much more of a vacuum.

Briles was fired for a ton of reasons, but it all comes down to deliberate indifference He was fired because of some of the "bad dudes" he knowingly had in his program -but still kept. He was fired because he had a system set up to keep him from officially "knowing" things (though we have the text messages to prove he knew a lot more than he let on). He was fired because he kept things away from Judicial Affairs (I can't begin to describe how huge of a deal this is). He was supposedly fired in part because, when given a chance to defend himself to the BOR, he essentially said "I am what I am."

At the end of the day, he doesn't represent what I expect in a coach and figurehead of my Alma Mater. I'd rather suck at football than appearing to condone the actions that happened.

I was a hard-core Briles supporter -and I lost a couple friends because of it- up until he was fired, because I knew the BOR wouldn't fire its most important employee (and President and AD) unless they felt they had to. I thought maybe he'd been scapegoated until I read the text-messages.

Then, I had to face reality.

Try it out. It's hard, but you may survive it.

Chanceux said:

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xiledinok said:

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Chanceux said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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Yessir. 14 months is mighty long to wait. And I think this situation was despicably recorded. Im sure that girl knew it was recorded too. Doesn't take much effort from the real police side to get the DA to sign off on a warrant to go after some cell phones.

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Well, when was the last time you had a DA sign off on a warrant? If you are going to post something like above, you might want to realize that the DA doesn't sign off on a warrant. There is something called a judge and those phone companies don't exactly spread their legs for people to take information from them like a $20 *****. Have you purchased a forensic analysis of a phone or a computer lately? Those guys make a killing and those things take time. CSI is fantasy television.

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Thats what I meant. Go to the DA's office and they get a judge to sign off on it. If it was being shared around and if the coaching staff had that video I dont think it would have been a problem. PH got info off cell phones didnt they?

I went ahead and corrected it for ya.

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The cellphones from which PH obtained records were owned by Baylor. Do you need a warrant for your own phone?
If the coaching staff had the video, they undoubtedly have less situational awareness and common sense than a homeless camp.
What is illegal about it taking so long? Legally, they had plenty of time.
Don't think there would be a problem? Why do you believe that? You think they were going to do a reversal?

Our employees' actions leave more holes in the situation than Bennett's defense.

xiledinok said:

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Chanceux said:

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xiledinok said:

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Chanceux said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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If a lawyer says it, it's the unadulterated truth.

In order to believe that statement from plaintiff's lawyer, you would have to believe that the player and her parents believed that only the player's coach, or someone in the AD had the ability to file a police report, or make a report to JA; that somehow the "victim" couldn't go to the police department and file a complaint, and that legal advice from a volleyball coach and his athletic director was the order of the day. They wanted so badly to file complaints, that they waited 14 months, didn't seek release from the coach to contact other NCAA institutions about transferring and then told the coach about the incident on the day she was withdrawing from school. She wanted so badly to file a complaint, yet she didn't want to tell her own coach until she absolutely had to.

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Yessir. 14 months is mighty long to wait. And I think this situation was despicably recorded. Im sure that girl knew it was recorded too. Doesn't take much effort from the real police side to get the DA to sign off on a warrant to go after some cell phones.

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Well, when was the last time you had a DA sign off on a warrant? If you are going to post something like above, you might want to realize that the DA doesn't sign off on a warrant. There is something called a judge and those phone companies don't exactly spread their legs for people to take information from them like a $20 *****. Have you purchased a forensic analysis of a phone or a computer lately? Those guys make a killing and those things take time. CSI is fantasy television.

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Thats what I meant. Go to the DA's office and they get a judge to sign off on it. If it was being shared around and if the coaching staff had that video I dont think it would have been a problem. PH got info off cell phones didnt they?

I went ahead and corrected it for ya.

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The cellphones from which PH obtained records were owned by Baylor. Do you need a warrant for your own phone?
If the coaching staff had the video, they undoubtedly have less situational awareness and common sense than a homeless camp.
What is illegal about it taking so long? Legally, they had plenty of time.
Don't think there would be a problem? Why do you believe that? You think they were going to do a reversal?

Our employees' actions leave more holes in the situation than Bennett's defense.

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^^ This. +1

This isn't based on a court of law. Jesus. These were employees trying to keep their jobs. Employment agreements and contracts are a thing.

These guys weren't being tried in a court of law. How is that such a difficult concept for people to grasp?

Do you have to get the DA/judge to sign off on a warrant if you want to look at your son's cell phone? No. Because you just want to know if he was bullying a kid (or getting bullied) and not trying to build a case against him in court.

Due process isn't an absolute standard. The courts have held this time and time and time again. It is situational for a reason.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you find yourself not being able to get over it, try denial. You have a good track record with that.

So, your point is that Briles didn't deserve getting in trouble for what he did (and there was a lot, not just this one case, but a whole cocktail of them -which his defenders refuse to admit- that led to his firing) because other people didn't get fired as well?

Listen, man. You guys keep trying to minimize each one of his actions as if they happened in a vacuum. They didn't. Then, you point to others and say they should be fired -when their actions actually did happen in much more of a vacuum.

Briles was fired for a ton of reasons, but it all comes down to deliberate indifference He was fired because of some of the "bad dudes" he knowingly had in his program -but still kept. He was fired because he had a system set up to keep him from officially "knowing" things (though we have the text messages to prove he knew a lot more than he let on). He was fired because he kept things away from Judicial Affairs (I can't begin to describe how huge of a deal this is). He was supposedly fired in part because, when given a chance to defend himself to the BOR, he essentially said "I am what I am."

At the end of the day, he doesn't represent what I expect in a coach and figurehead of my Alma Mater. I'd rather suck at football than appearing to condone the actions that happened.

I was a hard-core Briles supporter -and I lost a couple friends because of it- up until he was fired, because I knew the BOR wouldn't fire its most important employee (and President and AD) unless they felt they had to. I thought maybe he'd been scapegoated until I read the text-messages.

Then, I had to face reality.

Try it out. It's hard, but you may survive it.

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I reckon almost every levelheaded alum or fan would say he let some stupid bull you know what go on. Nobody outside waco cares about anything other than if the guy covered up rapes. Bout everybody would say he did enough to get himself fired. Course the level heads keep saying this but nobody wants to acknowledge that. Most of us just think he prolly got labeled a rape cover upperer when there aint a shred of evidence that he did that. All we really got to look at is the one volleyball case. And it aint like Briles was the only person that knew about that. This is a knotted situation. Gotta look at it from the whole perspective. Anyone that doesn't see it in black and white gets labeled as some coach robe clinger and thats not really fair now and it wasn't when that lil chant started.

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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I keep seeing a complete lack of training campus wide.

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Maybe. Or that could be a convenient excuse. We have pending cases that might yield addition depositions that could clarify. Garland's deposition was pure Sgt. Schultz.

Chanceux said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you find yourself not being able to get over it, try denial. You have a good track record with that.

So, your point is that Briles didn't deserve getting in trouble for what he did (and there was a lot, not just this one case, but a whole cocktail of them -which his defenders refuse to admit- that led to his firing) because other people didn't get fired as well?

Listen, man. You guys keep trying to minimize each one of his actions as if they happened in a vacuum. They didn't. Then, you point to others and say they should be fired -when their actions actually did happen in much more of a vacuum.

Briles was fired for a ton of reasons, but it all comes down to deliberate indifference He was fired because of some of the "bad dudes" he knowingly had in his program -but still kept. He was fired because he had a system set up to keep him from officially "knowing" things (though we have the text messages to prove he knew a lot more than he let on). He was fired because he kept things away from Judicial Affairs (I can't begin to describe how huge of a deal this is). He was supposedly fired in part because, when given a chance to defend himself to the BOR, he essentially said "I am what I am."

At the end of the day, he doesn't represent what I expect in a coach and figurehead of my Alma Mater. I'd rather suck at football than appearing to condone the actions that happened.

I was a hard-core Briles supporter -and I lost a couple friends because of it- up until he was fired, because I knew the BOR wouldn't fire its most important employee (and President and AD) unless they felt they had to. I thought maybe he'd been scapegoated until I read the text-messages.

Then, I had to face reality.

Try it out. It's hard, but you may survive it.

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I reckon almost every levelheaded alum or fan would say he let some stupid bull you know what go on. Nobody outside waco cares about anything other than if the guy covered up rapes. Bout everybody would say he did enough to get himself fired. Course the level heads keep saying this but nobody wants to acknowledge that. Most of us just think he prolly got labeled a rape cover upperer when there aint a shred of evidence that he did that. All we really got to look at is the one volleyball case. And it aint like Briles was the only person that knew about that. This is a knotted situation. Gotta look at it from the whole perspective. Anyone that doesn't see it in black and white gets labeled as some coach robe clinger and thats not really fair now and it wasn't when that lil chant started.

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I think we agree on the situation. We differ on the threshold.

To me, I get that not all of the players are going to be angels. I don't expect that. As a matter of fact, I was proud that guys like Oakman got a second chance. I sincerely didn't have an issue with Ukwauchu either -and I don't have one right now. I thought that was okay as long as we're understanding what we're getting -and acting accordingly. I had assumed they were getting structure, and guidance, and accountability.

We now know that we were getting the opposite of that. Briles was actively hiding things from Judicial Affairs. His assistants were talking to beat-up girlfriends and Briles himself was hearing information about rapes -and then doing nothing about it (or covering it up).

I'm okay with having some shady dudes as long as we're teaching them to be men (as what we were sold).

We weren't. We didn't.

And spare me the whole "they aren't babysitters" line. If you bring a set of sharp knives into the house and leave them on the counter -that's fine. That's your right. But you can't cry and complain when your 4 year-old -who you know likes to grab things- reaches up and hurts herself. At some point, you are complicit when you engage in willful indifference.

Forest Bueller said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

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Did any rapes occur on campus, in a Baylor owned off-campus building, or at a third party location that hosted a function of an official Baylor Group? I don't know the answer to this. But if the answer is no, then Clery Act reporting is fine.

If Garland (who served as a department head or interim president during this time) TRULY did not know the reporting policy, then training was a nasty mess.

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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From the girl's T9 petition

"Contrary to statements made by those with knowledge of Plaintiff's sexual

assault, neither Plaintiff nor her parents ever indicated that they did not want to report the assault
to Judicial Affairs or the police. Instead, Plaintiff and her parents were told that it was too late for
criminal charges and they begged Plaintiff's head coach and the assistant volleyball coach to tell
them what, if anything, Baylor could do about the sexual assault. "

From Shillinglaw

"The victim's coach went back to McCaw, who incorrectly told the coach it was up to the

victim to take action. McCaw told the coach that if the student did not press charges there was
nothing else they could do"

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Sounds like a poorly trained staff.

Easy to see how we reported 0 sexual assaults for so many years.... an admin who didn't want to know the truth and a faculty and staff that was completely untrained

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The best training in the world wouldn't matter if the culture in place was that football was above the law.

We KNOW Briles hid things from JA at will. We know he directed others to, as well. We also know Briles had essentially set up a system where he was the last to know things.

In any case, people can blame "training" but to do so, you have to say you acted in good faith. The guy clearly didn't forward a report from a student/staff member in need, and then turned a blind eye to it.

I don't know about you, but a normal human being, when told someone under their purview potentially raped someone, will want to know what happened and probably not stop until something is found out -unless they enjoyed being in the dark.

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how does this account for the 90% that had nothing to do with athletics... Briles must have been everywhere

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Do we know that they were not reported? Do we know if the assaults happened on campus or off campus. Do we know if the victims went to the health center, JA, Title IX coordinator, professor, Department Chair, Dean, etc. Lots of unknowns for you to suggest they match the more known cases involving football players.

Why would you hide things from Judicial Affairs if you sincerely believed you did not need to report to Judicial Affairs.

It is the same as the problem with lying. Sure we have not told the truth over and over, but we are being honest this time.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Chanceux said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you find yourself not being able to get over it, try denial. You have a good track record with that.

So, your point is that Briles didn't deserve getting in trouble for what he did (and there was a lot, not just this one case, but a whole cocktail of them -which his defenders refuse to admit- that led to his firing) because other people didn't get fired as well?

Listen, man. You guys keep trying to minimize each one of his actions as if they happened in a vacuum. They didn't. Then, you point to others and say they should be fired -when their actions actually did happen in much more of a vacuum.

Briles was fired for a ton of reasons, but it all comes down to deliberate indifference He was fired because of some of the "bad dudes" he knowingly had in his program -but still kept. He was fired because he had a system set up to keep him from officially "knowing" things (though we have the text messages to prove he knew a lot more than he let on). He was fired because he kept things away from Judicial Affairs (I can't begin to describe how huge of a deal this is). He was supposedly fired in part because, when given a chance to defend himself to the BOR, he essentially said "I am what I am."

At the end of the day, he doesn't represent what I expect in a coach and figurehead of my Alma Mater. I'd rather suck at football than appearing to condone the actions that happened.

I was a hard-core Briles supporter -and I lost a couple friends because of it- up until he was fired, because I knew the BOR wouldn't fire its most important employee (and President and AD) unless they felt they had to. I thought maybe he'd been scapegoated until I read the text-messages.

Then, I had to face reality.

Try it out. It's hard, but you may survive it.

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I reckon almost every levelheaded alum or fan would say he let some stupid bull you know what go on. Nobody outside waco cares about anything other than if the guy covered up rapes. Bout everybody would say he did enough to get himself fired. Course the level heads keep saying this but nobody wants to acknowledge that. Most of us just think he prolly got labeled a rape cover upperer when there aint a shred of evidence that he did that. All we really got to look at is the one volleyball case. And it aint like Briles was the only person that knew about that. This is a knotted situation. Gotta look at it from the whole perspective. Anyone that doesn't see it in black and white gets labeled as some coach robe clinger and thats not really fair now and it wasn't when that lil chant started.

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I think we agree on the situation. We differ on the threshold.

To me, I get that not all of the players are going to be angels. I don't expect that. As a matter of fact, I was proud that guys like Oakman got a second chance. I sincerely didn't have an issue with Ukwauchu either -and I don't have one right now. I thought that was okay as long as we're understanding what we're getting -and acting accordingly. I had assumed they were getting structure, and guidance, and accountability.

We now know that we were getting the opposite of that. Briles was actively hiding things from Judicial Affairs. His assistants were talking to beat-up girlfriends and Briles himself was hearing information about rapes -and then doing nothing about it (or covering it up).

I'm okay with having some shady dudes as long as we're teaching them to be men (as what we were sold).

We weren't. We didn't.

And spare me the whole "they aren't babysitters" line. If you bring a set of sharp knives into the house and leave them on the counter -that's fine. That's your right. But you can't cry and complain when your 4 year-old -who you know likes to grab things- reaches up and hurts herself. At some point, you are complicit when you engage in willful indifference.

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Yessir. Staff let the program get out of control. Reasonable people would agree on that. Baylors bad policies just lit that powder keg in my opinion and I like to point out the Elliot situation as evidence. I mean theres a kid thats arrested for rape 3 years before all this went down. Seems awful strange that this wasnt a wakeup call. Sorta follows the same thing yer saying about players. Baylor admins knew a kid got arrested for rape and didnt think one bit about going into the kitchen and looking for sharp objects.

bearlyafarmer said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

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The fact that the BoR/administration apologists are still in full obfuscation mode, both here and elsewhere, is clear evidence that neither the BoR nor the administration has learned, or has any interest in learning, jack squat from this debacle.

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Probably means there's about to be some bad news breaking soon.

NoBSU said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

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Did any rapes occur on campus, in a Baylor owned off-campus building, or at a third party location that hosted a function of an official Baylor Group? I don't know the answer to this. But if the answer is no, then Clery Act reporting is fine.

If Garland (who served as a department head or interim president during this time) TRULY did not know the reporting policy, then training was a nasty mess.

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I suppose I can't answer that question, but I was a college student in the 80's and I can tell you if three years passed without such a report and the Clery includes sexual harassment, assault, rape or violence, it would have been the biggest miracle since the Immaculate Conception.

I know that a large majority of Universities didn't report one in 2014, but maybe a large majority have been pushing this issue aside for a long time. Of course many school are commuter, very small, and Jr. College environments, where most folks commute which greatly lessens the exposure.

But, BU is not in that group.

Forest Bueller said:

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NoBSU said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Yet we have a long series of events showing a clear pattern of deliberately avoiding Judicial Affairs. When convenient the "didn't know to report" line gets pulled out.

You just can't claim ignorance of the rules when you behave as is you know them

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Here are the rules Keyser: If you can avoid reporting an incident, avoid it. If we don't have to say drinking and sex was going on, we won't. Help us with that. If there is no report, it didn't happen and all the Baptists are happy. You know this has always been the Baylor way.

So, if the "victim" doesn't want to file a report, nothing JA can do about it. If the victim's parents don't want to report, nothing JA can do about it. Police don't write a report and give a kid a warning, nothing JA can do about it. Apartment manager doesn't want to report a little grass, nothing JA can do about it. Store clerk doesn't want to report shoplifting if you bring back the stuff, nothing JA can do about it. Masseuse doesn't want to report exposure if the guy apologizes, nothing JA can do about it. And Baylor made it clear, if there's nothing JA can do about it, we don't want a record of it. In the words of the infamous RR, "Don't ever put anything to me in writing!"

And, if JA can do something about, it's going to be something bad enough that you will know that JA doesn't want to have to do anything about it any more.

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How easily these folks pushing the "reporting" rules now, forget the three consecutive years BU reported ZERO sexual assault. Not fully reporting had been the true process for years. Of course revisionist history tends to forget this.

Man, I have moved on from this to be honest. Don't know why I ventured to this thread, but seems like a lot of revision is going on.

Training was pathetic, mistakes were made, and BU had a history of covering this stuff over. But, a "football coach" was supposed to somehow be better at this than the administrative uppity-ups.

Just a big old mess that could/should have been handled differently. Hopefully they have learned.

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Did any rapes occur on campus, in a Baylor owned off-campus building, or at a third party location that hosted a function of an official Baylor Group? I don't know the answer to this. But if the answer is no, then Clery Act reporting is fine.

If Garland (who served as a department head or interim president during this time) TRULY did not know the reporting policy, then training was a nasty mess.

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I suppose I can't answer that question, but I was a college student in the 80's and I can tell you if three years passed without such a report and the Clery includes sexual harassment, assault, rape or violence, it would have been the biggest miracle since the Immaculate Conception.

I know that a large majority of Universities didn't report one in 2014, but maybe a large majority have been pushing this issue aside for a long time. Of course many school are commuter, very small, and Jr. College environments, where most folks commute which greatly lessens the exposure.

But, BU is not in that group.

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I think that not having coed dorms and frat houses helps. Those would be in Clery reporting geography since frats are officially recognized. I was around from '81-85. I remember when they put the "alarm" boxes on light poles around campus so girls could summon the police. There was a problem then and Baylor was not talking about. I get what you are saying about a longterm push to keep things quiet.

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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so you only care about black football players and white girls... Frat boys will be Frat boys I guess

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what?

You're seriously arguing that Briles is innocent because other people didn't get busted? (Hint: they have).

Has that defense ever worked? When you get pulled over by a State Trooper and say "whoa, other people are speeding, too!" does he reconsider?

I know being a CAB'r requires a special amount of delusion, but damn. I am wondering how y'all manage to tie your shoes.

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So congrats on winning the condescending pompous ass award


I never said he was completely innocent, only that many who were responsible for puting clear procedures in place and training the staff in those procedures bare more blame for our entire campus than he does...yet many of them still have their jobs and have not been made the face of rape nationwide,

this didn't have to be handled as it was... they could have fixed the problem without destroying him... but the deflection onto him kept them well hidden so I guess it worked out for them

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I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you find yourself not being able to get over it, try denial. You have a good track record with that.

So, your point is that Briles didn't deserve getting in trouble for what he did (and there was a lot, not just this one case, but a whole cocktail of them -which his defenders refuse to admit- that led to his firing) because other people didn't get fired as well?

Listen, man. You guys keep trying to minimize each one of his actions as if they happened in a vacuum. They didn't. Then, you point to others and say they should be fired -when their actions actually did happen in much more of a vacuum.

Briles was fired for a ton of reasons, but it all comes down to deliberate indifference He was fired because of some of the "bad dudes" he knowingly had in his program -but still kept. He was fired because he had a system set up to keep him from officially "knowing" things (though we have the text messages to prove he knew a lot more than he let on). He was fired because he kept things away from Judicial Affairs (I can't begin to describe how huge of a deal this is). He was supposedly fired in part because, when given a chance to defend himself to the BOR, he essentially said "I am what I am."

At the end of the day, he doesn't represent what I expect in a coach and figurehead of my Alma Mater. I'd rather suck at football than appearing to condone the actions that happened.

I was a hard-core Briles supporter -and I lost a couple friends because of it- up until he was fired, because I knew the BOR wouldn't fire its most important employee (and President and AD) unless they felt they had to. I thought maybe he'd been scapegoated until I read the text-messages.

Then, I had to face reality.

Try it out. It's hard, but you may survive it.

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This is the first I've heard of this. Usually I've seen it reported as him saying something much different. Do you have a link to this quote?

ColomboLQ said:

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This is the first I've heard of this. Usually I've seen it reported as him saying something much different. Do you have a link to this quote?

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The quote has been reported repeatedly as "Tell me what you want me to do, and I will do it." That other garbage is made up crap.

Malbec said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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This is the first I've heard of this. Usually I've seen it reported as him saying something much different. Do you have a link to this quote?

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"Tell me what you want me to do, and I will do it."

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Well lets break it down, since revision is in vogue.

Tell me = I Am. What = What. You want ME to do= I... I will do it = am.

See, I am what I am.

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57Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

" I think calling people liars implies deliberately telling something false. I don't think that happened because they believed it. It was however an incorrect statement. Barnes said he never reported the incident to JA. "

KWTX says that Barnes said that he did call Judicial Affairs
"KWTX has learned the volleyball coach, Jim Barnes, who's no longer at Baylor, maintains he did call Judicial Affairs after he was made aware of the incident, and in a sworn statement obtained by KWTX, Barnes says thought Briles "handled the matter honorably and with the serious attention it deserved."" http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/In-1-page-letter-Briles-denies-cover-up-calls-for-more-transparency-415231143.html

Please provide a source in Barnes said he never reported the incident to JA. "

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from the regents response in Shillinglaw

"Pepper Hamilton found no evidence that anyone, including Coach Briles, notified Judicial

Affairs, BUPD, or anyone else outside of Athletics of the allegation. If someone had called or
visited Judicial Affairs it would be reflected in its records because Judicial Affairs logs each call
and visit. It also sends out internal email notifications about any alleged Title IX or Honor Code
violation. Recent follow-up inquiries found no records showing that anyone McCaw, Coach
Briles, the other coach, or any other member of the Athletics Department reported the 2013
allegation to Judicial Affairs, "

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This answers my question from yesterday.

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RioRata said:
Serious question. Where did the university get the names of the "perverted little tarts" in order to **** shame them? Judicial Affairs?

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