BrooksBearLives said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

---

Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

---

I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

---

No it was a freshman defensive lineman on his second night on campus (about a week after his high school graduation) that had an open beer. Coach covered for him and should have been fired if he didn't.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

PartyBear said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

I know, how did Briles and his entire staff never watch a single episode of HBO's "The Wire"

---

Busy building a winner.

---

And ignoring some important things that got him fired.

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

---

Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

---

I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

---

No it was a freshman defensive lineman on his second night on campus (about a week after his high school graduation) that had an open beer. Coach covered for him and should have been fired if he didn't.

---

Ah. My bad. When the player threatened to kill someone, he just hoped they would "keep it quiet." Meaning, that JA would never find out.

SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE, YOU GUYS.

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

Could they show some of the rest of the world their honor?
Joe Pa and Sandusky were friends. Joe Pa covered for him.

BrooksBearLives said:

---

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

---

Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

---

I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

---

No it was a freshman defensive lineman on his second night on campus (about a week after his high school graduation) that had an open beer. Coach covered for him and should have been fired if he didn't.

---

Ah. My bad. When the player threatened to kill someone, he just hoped they would "keep it quiet." Meaning, that JA would never find out.

SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE, YOU GUYS.

---

You win
The entire former staff should be in jail.
I'm out of here cause it's Owl time!!

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Appreciate the civility as well. This gets lost easily on a message board.


The account you gave conflicts with some other accounts. It would be foolish to be completely dismissive of it, but that said I see more from the other side of the coin.

If this is correct, Briles and Shillinglaw were in fact damaged in the legal sense by the regents comments to the WSJ in the fall of 2016. Both of them dropping their cases against the regents who spoke reinforces my belief that what the regents said was correct.

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

---

Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

---

I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

---

No it was a freshman defensive lineman on his second night on campus (about a week after his high school graduation) that had an open beer. Coach covered for him and should have been fired if he didn't.

---

Ah. My bad. When the player threatened to kill someone, he just hoped they would "keep it quiet." Meaning, that JA would never find out.

SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE, YOU GUYS.

---

You win
The entire former staff should be in jail.
I'm out of here cause it's Owl time!!

---

Congrats to Temple on getting that win versus Navy last night.

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

You're confused and thinking f something else.

There is no honor among thieves.

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

REX said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

BrooksBearLives said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

Are you ****ing kidding me?

There's only so many ways you can take "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs"

Seriously, you guys. You need to drop the hero worship.

---

Was JA quote not in reference to a player found with an open can of beer ?? Is that your smoking gun
Please tell me there is more damning evidence than that

---

I believe it was in brandishing a gun, but there was more than one.

---

No it was a freshman defensive lineman on his second night on campus (about a week after his high school graduation) that had an open beer. Coach covered for him and should have been fired if he didn't.

---

Ah. My bad. When the player threatened to kill someone, he just hoped they would "keep it quiet." Meaning, that JA would never find out.

SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE, YOU GUYS.

---

You win
The entire former staff should be in jail.
I'm out of here cause it's Owl time!!

---

This is why no one takes you seriously.

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

Chanceux said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

---

It was all business. Run a pr campaign and causing issues after the firing didn't work well. The coach played a game and lost.

xiledinok said:

---

Chanceux said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

---

It was all business. Run a pr campaign and causing issues after the firing didn't work well. The coach played a game and lost.

---

I aint sure what a pr campaign has to do with any of this. Im talkin bout why people got farrrrrred. Not the damn rice game and not the pr rodeo.

And if anybody tied for last place in the pr rodeo with Briles and Kenny's Crisis All Stars it was that good ol baylor line. Buncha dipschlitz. Errbody on here knows that BeYou ran the worst campaign since Custer took on Crazy Horse. Rape U in perpetuum.

Chanceux said:

---

xiledinok said:

---

Chanceux said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

---

It was all business. Run a pr campaign and causing issues after the firing didn't work well. The coach played a game and lost.

---

I aint sure what a pr campaign has to do with any of this. Im talkin bout why people got farrrrrred. Not the damn rice game and not the pr rodeo.

And if anybody tied for last place in the pr rodeo with Briles and Kenny's Crisis All Stars it was that good ol baylor line. Buncha dipschlitz. Errbody on here knows that BeYou ran the worst campaign since Custer took on Crazy Horse. Rape U in perpetuum.

---

No. There is no comparison to Custer. No genocide.
Reminded me of the La rioters versus the Korean businessmen in 1992. The rioters did some damage until the machine guns came out.

xiledinok said:

---

Chanceux said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

---

It was all business. Run a pr campaign and causing issues after the firing didn't work well. The coach played a game and lost.

---

Based on the payout, I wouldn't say he lost.

In fact, you could make an argument that Baylor is the real loser here.

Not only is Baylor out over $200 million and the best football coach it had, but it is likely that Baylor will soon be out a money earning Power 5 football program, also.

Once the dust settles, Art Briles will coach football again, but I am not sure Baylor Football will be able to rise from the ashes in the same amount of time.

I'll tell you right now that it doesn't look good, that's why it is imperative for all of us to up our giving to the university to offset the losses from having a successful Power 5 football program.

Keyser Soze said:

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I think that indicates that players were reported to JA for determination of responsibility.

Keyser Soze said:

---

Malbec said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

MidWestBear2010 said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

That's a great story until you read Briles texts.

Bad dudes, my ass

---

I bet if we got a hold of your text messages and posted some of them out of context we could make you look really bad too.

---

So when he texted "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" was maybe judicial affairs a code word for Health Camp and he was really just hoping the play would not add weight

---

Quote the text correctly. And don't try to conflate the hope that a freshman caught smoking some weed will fly under the system radar with covering up rape.

---

The only reason I have ever mentioned it is the same reason PH did - it shows a clear pattern of not reporting events to Judicial Affairs.

We you see this deliberate pattern, it makes the "we just didn't know the rules" excuse on the bigger things harder to believe.

---

By that definition, would making reports to JA constitute a pattern of following protocol? You have quoted the email from JA clearing a player as evidence that Briles and McCaw knew where to report an assault. So, isn't that also evidence that reports were being made to JA?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

You're confused and thinking f something else.

There is no honor among thieves.

---

You'd think someone with all this insight would have a clue who the parties involved are. Seems almost everyone in this debacle has the same resume. Lived a pretty clean life until that fateful 2015-2016 when all of sudden they either morphed into rapists or rape enablers. Walk into Baylor and bam....everything changed. Elliott didn't even have a parking ticket til he got here. Maybe the problem is not these individuals at all.

Actually, it was Ian McCaw who said it would be great if they "kept it quiet", not Briles. Just keeping the facts straight.

Yeah, I think Briles only texted about keeping it away from "our folks in Judicial Affairs."

My God. They're were having a conversation and Briles said he thinks they were going to keep it quiet, and Ian responded that it would be great if they kept it quiet.

They were in complete agreement.

I'm beginning to understand how y'all can still be on his nuts. There is literally nothing he could do that you won't explain away.

To clarify, there were multiple non-assault related items that were not reported to JA, that is the pattern. Obviously not one and you know that - you are just being deliberately argumentative.

You certainly are filling in a lot of blanks we don't know about.

We don't know who turned in this case in the first place. Maybe Briles, who knows.

Maybe only the Curvin Richards of the world got their cases turned in and the Emmitt Smiths did not. I am thinking all the cases with a high profile police report got turned in, like sleeping in the Taco Bell drive through. What happened to the cases Shillinglaw could fix easily?

I really shouldn't have to break out the venn diagrams to show that reporting some cases to JA and hiding others can exist at the same time.

Russell Gym said:

---

Yeah, I think Briles only texted about keeping it away from "our folks in Judicial Affairs."

---

He said that in the alcohol incident, not the incident being referred to in the thread to which I replied. Sorry, I should have quoted the original comment to give context.

Just FYI

This is what they said about the text in the Shill response:

"At some point, Pepper Hamilton stopped collecting such examples, which were not directly within
the scope of its engagement. There could be dozens more, but Pepper Hamilton believed it had
compiled enough to support a conclusion that those in charge of the football program, including
Shillinglaw, improperly covered up disciplinary problems other than sexual assault. "

I guess my sarcasm didn't come through good enough.

Keyser Soze said:

---

To clarify, there were multiple non-assault related items that were not reported to JA, that is the pattern. Obviously not one and you know that - you are just being deliberately argumentative.

You certainly are filling in a lot of blanks we don't know about.

We don't know who turned in this case in the first place. Maybe Briles, who knows.

Maybe only the Curvin Richards of the world got their cases turned in and the Emmitt Smiths did not. I am thinking all the cases with a high profile police report got turned in, like sleeping in the Taco Bell drive through. What happened to the cases Shillinglaw could fix easily?

I really shouldn't have to break out the venn diagrams to show that reporting some cases to JA and hiding others can exist at the same time.

---

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I am trying to demonstrate the hypocrisy that flows through almost every example that you and the regents provide in trying to explain why certain decisions were made.

It seems to always be about what wasn't said and what wasn't written, except when it doesn't bolster your argument. You argue that the BOR never said Briles covered up rape, and then you say that the university's letter doesn't absolve him of covering up rape again because they don't say it in the letter. But, aren't they really saying it by omission then?

How do you reconcile the firing of Barnes (and the knowledge of events by regents and administrators during that process), with Briles, McCaw, Starr and Hill not being held to a non-existent standard until after the PH investigation?

How many incidents does it take to show a "pattern of not reporting?" Is it the same number that shows a "pattern OF reporting?"

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

You're confused and thinking f something else.

There is no honor among thieves.

---

You'd think someone with all this insight would have a clue who the parties involved are. Seems almost everyone in this debacle has the same resume. Lived a pretty clean life until that fateful 2015-2016 when all of sudden they either morphed into rapists or rape enablers. Walk into Baylor and bam....everything changed. Elliott didn't even have a parking ticket til he got here. Maybe the problem is not these individuals at all.

---

Something in the water I guess. Elliot must have consumed a lot of water.

BrooksBearLives said:

---

My God. They're were having a conversation and Briles said he thinks they were going to keep it quiet, and Ian responded that it would be great if they kept it quiet.

They were in complete agreement.

I'm beginning to understand how y'all can still be on his nuts. There is literally nothing he could do that you won't explain away.

---

Dozens of posters are fine with it. They don't care. Posted on Baylorfans with RD2winagain since 2003. Criticized the BOR easily in a thousand posts. Yet Jim called me a BOR fluffer because I didn't want to crap on Rhule and set Briles on a gold pedestal.

Yogi said:

---

xiledinok said:

---

Chanceux said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the VB coaching staff said to her and her parents. They likely didn't know the difference between police or JA. The coaching staff explained it to them but they were ready to just leave and put this behind them. $ and lawyers have talked them into drawing up this suit. That won't go to court.

PH. They are lawyers. Enough said? Lawyers with a stated agenda. Told Barnes they wanted sexual assault on college campus the front page story to be addressed nationally. A good cause. Problem was they were going to do it by any means necessary. BU/ Briles/Christians were the perfect means.

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

Right or wrong I'm pretty dang convinced this was the dadgum lynchpin sitchiation in the scorching of the earth policy.

---

It was all business. Run a pr campaign and causing issues after the firing didn't work well. The coach played a game and lost.

---

Based on the payout, I wouldn't say he lost.

In fact, you could make an argument that Baylor is the real loser here.

Not only is Baylor out over $200 million and the best football coach it had, but it is likely that Baylor will soon be out a money earning Power 5 football program, also.

Once the dust settles, Art Briles will coach football again, but I am not sure Baylor Football will be able to rise from the ashes in the same amount of time.

I'll tell you right now that it doesn't look good, that's why it is imperative for all of us to up our giving to the university to offset the losses from having a successful Power 5 football program.

---

He won and was able to work in the NFL and CFL, right?
Nationally, he and Jerry Sandusky have very comparable reviews. No one wants their product with those two.

Yogi, I ll take you to Vegas and put some money on Briles.

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

You're confused and thinking f something else.

There is no honor among thieves.

---

You'd think someone with all this insight would have a clue who the parties involved are. Seems almost everyone in this debacle has the same resume. Lived a pretty clean life until that fateful 2015-2016 when all of sudden they either morphed into rapists or rape enablers. Walk into Baylor and bam....everything changed. Elliott didn't even have a parking ticket til he got here. Maybe the problem is not these individuals at all.

---

I don't think you're gonna have a lot of luck selling the innocent Elliott story, but kudos for trying.

Robemcdo said:

---

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

GG1234 said:

---

"You were wrong when you repeated the coaches tweets about Barnes reporting the events to Judicial Affairs back on BF. I question the accuracy of his account of events.

Per the victim's T9 lawsuit she did not want to go to police, she never said she did not want to go to Judicial Affairs."


Keyser. I can assure you I'm accurate. Barnes did call JA. He did it to find out how his player should report to them. He also gave his player the number to JA and asked if he could bring her to the office. She and her parents refused. Refused even to call. Both police and JA. Her claim is false.

After repeated questions to Ian from Barnes, Ian gave him the JA number. Ian said in his statement that he told Barnes to call JA.
That too is completely false. Ian said that so he could get the job at Liberty. Ian only gave the number because Barnes harassed him and Ian knew that was suppose to be his next step. Because Barnes told Ian she didn't want to report it, Ian used that as an excuse for him not to report it.
The coaches were NOT trained or informed at the time they had to call JA. Briles included!!
PH made the BOR believe Briles hid it. They threw together a story with partial truths to tell a horrific lie. The BOR believed it. The ones that found out the truth were told to be silent.

---

Open to listening - some sources would really help

Let me make sure I follow - The girl is not telling the truth - PH is not either

What do you think of Briles and Ian knowing JA had jurisdiction over the matter and should have reported - ie) the email Briles received form JA about a different player being cleared. Is that a lie too?

---

I do appreciate your civility.
The player does not recall accurately what the

The email. If your boss says the policy for this is to report it to him, that's what you do. Ian was the boss and was responsible for reporting at the time. Not coaches. This should not be hard to understand. At that time it would have been a coach going over the head of their boss. And in this case, to report something that the individual not want reported.

---

This is worth more than you think.

Art, if he were smart, has a legit case against Ian, IMO.

He should be lighting his ass up and claiming that he shared everything with Ian and waited for his guidance..

---

Except Ian and Art are friends and have honor . They communicate weekly

---

Good grief, you live in an alternate reality. These two men destroyed their careers in reckless fashion.

One will never work again, the other is banished from P5 athletics.

Quote:

---

Could they show some of the rest of the world their honor?
Joe Pa and Sandusky were friends. Joe Pa covered for him.

---

I guess you should ask Baylot's current coach about that, as he is the guy who threw Penn State's whistleblower under the bus and defends JoePa saying that "he will be remembered for his wins" instead of shielding a serial child rapist. That is the 0-8 "man of character" we currently have running Baylor football.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Boatshoes said:

---

Quote:

---

Could they show some of the rest of the world their honor?
Joe Pa and Sandusky were friends. Joe Pa covered for him.

---

I guess you should ask Baylot's current coach about that, as he is the guy who threw Penn State's whistleblower under the bus and defends JoePa saying that "he will be remembered for his wins" instead of shielding a serial child rapist. That is the 0-8 "man of character" we currently have running Baylor football.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

---

Clutch those pearls, it's hilarious when someone actually content to practice genuine rape apologetics is trying to virtue signal.

GG1234 said:

---

Keyser Soze said:

---

We don't need letters. If Briles and Barnes report to their immediate boss Ian the AD, have they done their job?

Many would say yes and in certain circumstances that would be fine. What we need to add to this is the knowledge that all knew it was not going to be reported to Judicial Affairs. That makes the situation far more messier. There is no doubt there are details we don't know, but the regents have said clearly that Briles had a responsibility to report and did not.

As to the whole thing being handled differently, sure, but keep in mind the whole is much larger than just this.

---

At that time the only instructions all BU coaches were given was to report any incidents to the AD. That was the only instructions at the time. Both Briles and Barnes did this. PH told Barnes he did everything correctly. It was the AD who was suppose to report it further. The AD didn't because he said the victim didn't want it reported. Even though he knew he was suppose to any way. The coaches were not a part of the process then because that was the only training Baylor had.

When Barnes was told by PH that he did everything right, Barnes then said how then can you say Briles didn't?
They didn't have an answer. They just new this doesn't catch fire without pinning it on Briles. Briles did not hide this and was only supportive.

Some regents called Barnes and found this out. They said they would share the info because the board didn't know this. They told the board but all went quiet after that. Apparently the board was in too deep and quieted the opposition board members.

---

Was this the standard campus-wide at the time? That employees were not directed to inform JA of incidents? That their contact was to be with their equivalent of the AD for their area of campus?

I ask because I was told, I'm guessing it was summer of 2015 when all of this was swirling, that there was training and that Art in particular had simply refused to participate. The way it was told to me was the assumption after the fact was this was a way to maintain some plausible deniability. This may have come up around the same time that Art confessed to having an org chart that intentionally kept him in the dark about some matters.

So, back to my questions, was that a policy that was being observed campus-wide at the time or just within Athletics?

I hear what you're saying. But there is no WAY there's a head football coach in existence (much less P5 school) who can pretend to not know what to do after the Paterno/Sandusky scandal.

That is impossible to me.

The ENTIRE case was about proper reporting and disclosure. Period. Anyone trying to argue otherwise isn't being an honest prevaricator.