bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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Yeah, what the clowns sticking their chest out don't understand is all of this boils down to conflict. It only takes a little match to take some of these small situations and have them blow sky high.

How has Coach managed to stay out of jail?

REX said:

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How has Coach managed to stay out of jail?

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How do rich and powerful people stay out of jail? I mean it's unheard of to happen.

REX said:

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How has Coach managed to stay out of jail?

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Sibley?

NoBSU said:

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The rape enabler/cover-up label may be the one that you are on here fighting, but that comes from the media not me. That link that KS posted is the first glimpse of policy that I have seen. If it was policy, then Briles did not follow it. Ian did not follow it. That is the point. You can't twist it that they did. Motivations are irrelevant.

If the current lawsuit discovery continues, some attorney may be bright enough to ask if key players appear on rosters of staff development training classes or acknowledgements that they read & received employee handbooks. Baylor could have trained online. A record of competition would be somewhere on file. Maybe Baylor skipped these standard Higher Ed HR functions. Maybe certain employees skipped the training. Either way, you report SA to specific people if you are designated a reporter. If your supervisor isn't on the list, then that does not count.

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That's the biggest pile of nonsense yet. Motivations are all that matter to the public. People think Briles (and Baylor as well) purposely tried to cover up rape, and purposely hurt women. They care that Baylor turned away women in need. They don't care that 5 people did not report the same incident, as long as someone did. This scandal is not about a "technical" failing, no matter how much Baylor tries to make it that.

And since you want to make it about procedures and protocol, if Baylor had a signed acknowledgement from Briles that he completed training, or some record of a course completion, don't you think they would have been waving that thing around like it was the last Dead Sea Scroll? That would be their ultimate alibi. It would show that their employees should have known how to operate under Title IX.

Malbec said:

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NoBSU said:

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The rape enabler/cover-up label may be the one that you are on here fighting, but that comes from the media not me. That link that KS posted is the first glimpse of policy that I have seen. If it was policy, then Briles did not follow it. Ian did not follow it. That is the point. You can't twist it that they did. Motivations are irrelevant.

If the current lawsuit discovery continues, some attorney may be bright enough to ask if key players appear on rosters of staff development training classes or acknowledgements that they read & received employee handbooks. Baylor could have trained online. A record of competition would be somewhere on file. Maybe Baylor skipped these standard Higher Ed HR functions. Maybe certain employees skipped the training. Either way, you report SA to specific people if you are designated a reporter. If your supervisor isn't on the list, then that does not count.

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That's the biggest pile of nonsense yet. Motivations are all that matter to the public. People think Briles (and Baylor as well) purposely tried to cover up rape, and purposely hurt women. They care that Baylor turned away women in need. They don't care that 5 people did not report the same incident, as long as someone did. This scandal is not about a "technical" failing, no matter how much Baylor tries to make it that.

And since you want to make it about procedures and protocol, if Baylor had a signed acknowledgement from Briles that he completed training, or some record of a course completion, don't you think they would have been waving that thing around like it was the last Dead Sea Scroll? That would be their ultimate alibi. It would show that their employees should have known how to operate under Title IX.

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The public cares about the outcome.

Seems to me that Baylor releases very little and so far for a handful of Regents benefit. Baylor seems go be dodging explaining their process. Keyser ' s find was rare. If they haven't documented who was trained or read the policy, then add an HR director to the list of the failed. But you go on believing nothing happened.

BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

BrooksBearLives said:

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This needs to be reiterated 1000x.
there isnt' a corporation in the US that will pay you big bucks knowing you will scheme around their risk management efforts like that. I don't care if you win the Nobel peace prize for your university, that's unacceptable and it's the equivalent to fraud in my book.

So don't blame it on Baylor, don't try and say it's a conspiracy, take that quote and pin it to whatever you need to get it through your heads that he got what he deserved.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This needs to be reiterated 1000x.
there isnt' a corporation in the US that will pay you big bucks knowing you will scheme around their risk management efforts like that. I don't care if you win the Nobel peace prize for your university, that's unacceptable and it's the equivalent to fraud in my book.

So don't blame it on Baylor, don't try and say it's a conspiracy, take that quote and pin it to whatever you need to get it through your heads that he got what he deserved.

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Agree on CAB but we have a regent that was fired from his job that reportedly walked away with millions in severance and stock options.

YoakDaddy said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This needs to be reiterated 1000x.
there isnt' a corporation in the US that will pay you big bucks knowing you will scheme around their risk management efforts like that. I don't care if you win the Nobel peace prize for your university, that's unacceptable and it's the equivalent to fraud in my book.

So don't blame it on Baylor, don't try and say it's a conspiracy, take that quote and pin it to whatever you need to get it through your heads that he got what he deserved.

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Agree on CAB but we have a regent that was fired from his job that reportedly walked away with millions in severance and stock options.

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More than one, and they need to go too, IMO

BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This had nothing whatsoever to do with discovery in the Shillinglaw case. This was gratuitous information in the answer to the lawsuit. It was a self-serving pleading, not part of any discovery.

The quote regarding "trying to keep him away from our Judicial Affairs folks" has to do with a player with a beer. You cannot conflate that with rape. Again, you are picking the wrong cases to hang a termination on. There is an historical reason why you might want to not have Baylor find out about a 2nd day frosh carrying an open beer around. If you went to school at Baylor you know this undoubtedly. While you may want to hold a coach's feet to the fire on this trivial incident, it's not why the man can't find a job, and it's not anything that any other P5 football program would lose their coach over. They might give him a suspension of a game or two for the totality of those non-contextual messages, but he wouldn't lose his job. And even if he did, the university would make it clear as to exactly why he lost his job, and not allow a narrative of "rape fixer" to flourish.

Malbec said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This had nothing whatsoever to do with discovery in the Shillinglaw case. This was gratuitous information in the answer to the lawsuit. It was a self-serving pleading, not part of any discovery.

The quote regarding "trying to keep him away from our Judicial Affairs folks" has to do with a player with a beer. You cannot conflate that with rape. Again, you are picking the wrong cases to hang a termination on. There is an historical reason why you might want to not have Baylor find out about a 2nd day frosh carrying an open beer around. If you went to school at Baylor you know this undoubtedly. While you may want to hold a coach's feet to the fire on this trivial incident, it's not why the man can't find a job, and it's not anything that any other P5 football program would lose their coach over. They might give him a suspension of a game or two for the totality of those non-contextual messages, but he wouldn't lose his job. And even if he did, the university would make it clear as to exactly why he lost his job, and not allow a narrative of "rape fixer" to flourish.

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The text messages were more than enough to terminate any employee at Baylor, and, given that no one has even remotely implied that they are not real, there is no real reason for Baylor fans to sit around and argue with each other about the intricacies or context of those messages because it does not really matter.

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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bearlyafarmer said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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Innocent men don't have damning text messages.

Anthony Weiner would have loved you to be in his jury.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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The text messages were more than enough to terminate any employee at Baylor, and, given that no one has even remotely implied that they are not real, there is no real reason for Baylor fans to sit around and argue with each other about the intricacies or context of those messages because it does not really matter.

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And that's fine, and an understandable position to take. It still doesn't jibe with the narrative that the BOR allowed the media to churn. And it is NOT the reason that another institution will not hire Briles.

Malbec said:

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The rape enabler/cover-up label may be the one that you are on here fighting, but that comes from the media not me. That link that KS posted is the first glimpse of policy that I have seen. If it was policy, then Briles did not follow it. Ian did not follow it. That is the point. You can't twist it that they did. Motivations are irrelevant.

If the current lawsuit discovery continues, some attorney may be bright enough to ask if key players appear on rosters of staff development training classes or acknowledgements that they read & received employee handbooks. Baylor could have trained online. A record of competition would be somewhere on file. Maybe Baylor skipped these standard Higher Ed HR functions. Maybe certain employees skipped the training. Either way, you report SA to specific people if you are designated a reporter. If your supervisor isn't on the list, then that does not count.

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That's the biggest pile of nonsense yet. Motivations are all that matter to the public. People think Briles (and Baylor as well) purposely tried to cover up rape, and purposely hurt women. They care that Baylor turned away women in need. They don't care that 5 people did not report the same incident, as long as someone did. This scandal is not about a "technical" failing, no matter how much Baylor tries to make it that.

And since you want to make it about procedures and protocol, if Baylor had a signed acknowledgement from Briles that he completed training, or some record of a course completion, don't you think they would have been waving that thing around like it was the last Dead Sea Scroll? That would be their ultimate alibi. It would show that their employees should have known how to operate under Title IX.

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READ THIS ALL YOU "The coaches\Briles should have reported this to Title 9/JA" PEOPLE!

This was the training that the athletics administration gave the coaches. It was a coaches meeting outlining what defines sexual assault. The instructions given to every coach: report it to the athletic admin/Ian McCaw. Direct victim to police. That's it. For whatever reason at the time, the President didn't require the AD to give more training. And as Malbec points out had they had the training, Baylor would be waving the signed paperwork in the air. PH skipped this evidence and sold that Briles hid it. The public still buys it. And some here as well.
Barnes was very badly treated here and had many offers to sue BU. He passed so he could coach and pull his family away from the circus and I don't blame him. All though I told him to take the money he wasn't about that. He built the BU VB program. Even today almost every significant starter is his players. Even Yossi the freshmen phenom was Barnes' recruit.

Baylor didn't train their coaches properly. Then they threw them into the fire when it might have come out they didn't.

Time to move on.

They really don't have an obligation to police the media - also with a dozen Title IX cases to contend with how much talking should they do? Their insurance carrier may have had a big deal to do with press silence. What is Baylor's best interest may not Briles best interest. A good deal of that was likely built into his settlement.

There is also the possibility that they are doing him a favor by not talking more.

And what is your source of this information?

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BrooksBearLives said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This had nothing whatsoever to do with discovery in the Shillinglaw case. This was gratuitous information in the answer to the lawsuit. It was a self-serving pleading, not part of any discovery.

The quote regarding "trying to keep him away from our Judicial Affairs folks" has to do with a player with a beer. You cannot conflate that with rape. Again, you are picking the wrong cases to hang a termination on. There is an historical reason why you might want to not have Baylor find out about a 2nd day frosh carrying an open beer around. If you went to school at Baylor you know this undoubtedly. While you may want to hold a coach's feet to the fire on this trivial incident, it's not why the man can't find a job, and it's not anything that any other P5 football program would lose their coach over. They might give him a suspension of a game or two for the totality of those non-contextual messages, but he wouldn't lose his job. And even if he did, the university would make it clear as to exactly why he lost his job, and not allow a narrative of "rape fixer" to flourish.

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I'm not conflating it with rape. But it is CLEAR evidence that he was actively covering things up.

You're right. It was a beer. How much trouble is a kid going to get in for a beer? Jesus Christ. If he's covering up a beer, what makes you think he wouldn't cover up something else?

If you can't trust someone to do the small things, how can you expect them to do the big things?

It's absolutely shocking that you're even arguing this. I get you're looking at this from a legal standpoint, but we're not in a court of law. Being an ******* who ****s over his school isn't necessarily against the law.

Briles ****ed us. He played incredibly loose and he broke real rules. He did it for himself.

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Malbec said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This had nothing whatsoever to do with discovery in the Shillinglaw case. This was gratuitous information in the answer to the lawsuit. It was a self-serving pleading, not part of any discovery.

The quote regarding "trying to keep him away from our Judicial Affairs folks" has to do with a player with a beer. You cannot conflate that with rape. Again, you are picking the wrong cases to hang a termination on. There is an historical reason why you might want to not have Baylor find out about a 2nd day frosh carrying an open beer around. If you went to school at Baylor you know this undoubtedly. While you may want to hold a coach's feet to the fire on this trivial incident, it's not why the man can't find a job, and it's not anything that any other P5 football program would lose their coach over. They might give him a suspension of a game or two for the totality of those non-contextual messages, but he wouldn't lose his job. And even if he did, the university would make it clear as to exactly why he lost his job, and not allow a narrative of "rape fixer" to flourish.

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I'm not conflating it with rape. But it is CLEAR evidence that he was actively covering things up.

You're right. It was a beer. How much trouble is a kid going to get in for a beer? Jesus Christ. If he's covering up a beer, what makes you think he wouldn't cover up something else?

If you can't trust someone to do the small things, how can you expect them to do the big things?

It's absolutely shocking that you're even arguing this. I get you're looking at this from a legal standpoint, but we're not in a court of law. Being an ******* who ****s over his school isn't necessarily against the law.

Briles ****ed us. He played incredibly loose and he broke real rules. He did it for himself.

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Correct sir. Covering MIP's today obviously leads to covering any and all crimes later. Thanks

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Malbec said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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OK, so here we are several pages later and we're still wondering when anyone is going to present even a shred of evidence that CAB or his staff ever covered up crimes.

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-- On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."

-- On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities." The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.

-- On September 13, 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."

-- On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"

-- In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles discussed their efforts to intervene on behalf of a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with (Vice President for Student Life Kevin) Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

-- On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

-- On August 15, 2015, after a player was arrested for possession of marijuana, Coach Briles texted an assistant coach: "Sh*t how about that he's gonna b (sic) in the system now let me know what you think we should do I can get shill (Shillinglaw) to call Sibley or we can.... Do we know who complained?" The assistant coach responded that the complainant was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex. Coach Briles replied: "We need to know who supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

And this only what has been released.

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they cherry picked the most damning texts without any context, to put CAB in the worst PR light possible. If they had more we would have seen it a long time ago...

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This had nothing whatsoever to do with discovery in the Shillinglaw case. This was gratuitous information in the answer to the lawsuit. It was a self-serving pleading, not part of any discovery.

The quote regarding "trying to keep him away from our Judicial Affairs folks" has to do with a player with a beer. You cannot conflate that with rape. Again, you are picking the wrong cases to hang a termination on. There is an historical reason why you might want to not have Baylor find out about a 2nd day frosh carrying an open beer around. If you went to school at Baylor you know this undoubtedly. While you may want to hold a coach's feet to the fire on this trivial incident, it's not why the man can't find a job, and it's not anything that any other P5 football program would lose their coach over. They might give him a suspension of a game or two for the totality of those non-contextual messages, but he wouldn't lose his job. And even if he did, the university would make it clear as to exactly why he lost his job, and not allow a narrative of "rape fixer" to flourish.

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I'm not conflating it with rape. But it is CLEAR evidence that he was actively covering things up.

You're right. It was a beer. How much trouble is a kid going to get in for a beer? Jesus Christ. If he's covering up a beer, what makes you think he wouldn't cover up something else?

If you can't trust someone to do the small things, how can you expect them to do the big things?

It's absolutely shocking that you're even arguing this. I get you're looking at this from a legal standpoint, but we're not in a court of law. Being an ******* who ****s over his school isn't necessarily against the law.

Briles ****ed us. He played incredibly loose and he broke real rules. He did it for himself.

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That's a pretty big leap there..........

True or False:

There is proof that Art Briles actively hid conduct violations from the University?

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True or False:

There is proof that Art Briles actively hid conduct violations from the University?

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Thee university or Baylor?

BrooksBearLives said:

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True or False:

There is proof that Art Briles actively hid conduct violations from the University?

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Oh yeah. Yessir. Hundred percento. Aint no argument.

Most people don't reckon Briles was fired for that stuff though. And really if some people on here would just admit that the firing even though it was warranted was a way for Baylor to stick the raping on Briles that'd be fine. Cuz thats what I think. If some of yall knew how Baylor treated them girls you'd prolly change yer tune too. Or if ya knew what a mess the policy at the school was. Briles aint a saint. Baylor wasnt acting too Christian with these girls. Jesus wouldnt have been proud.

Turns out that Jerry Sandusky and Art have something big in common.

Mistake #1, was talking big in the press that you're gonna sue Baylor and kick some regents ass.

I can understand the anger, but that's the employer that paid you millions. Millions to go away .

Mistake #2, was dropping the court case and just acting like it was no big deal.

Whatever the reasons, he should have at least issued a statement explaining his reasons.

Im not saying Baylor is right. I'm not saying Baylor is wrong.

But Baylor's legal counsel absolutely outflanked Briles and his juvenile tactics.

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No. There's a NDA. The only way these got out was because of a case/discovery. There was clearly "more where this came from."

And in ether case, it doesn't matter what the context is. The second you say "let's keep this away from Judicial Affairs" you're done. No context will change that. There's a reason Briles dropped his suit. He was going to lose.

Please, please take off your CAB glasses. He ****ed us.

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This needs to be reiterated 1000x.
there isnt' a corporation in the US that will pay you big bucks knowing you will scheme around their risk management efforts like that. I don't care if you win the Nobel peace prize for your university, that's unacceptable and it's the equivalent to fraud in my book.

So don't blame it on Baylor, don't try and say it's a conspiracy, take that quote and pin it to whatever you need to get it through your heads that he got what he deserved.

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US corporation that pays big bucks to a fraudulent scoundrel who schemed around risk management:
Baylor University

Paid briles ... what 10-15-20 million to not coach? Why?

If he is a fraudulent heinous monster who "schemed around ... risk management," and covered up rapes, why did Baylor give him all those $$? If I'm on that board and I think he is guilty of all the media says he is guilty of, he is not getting one red cent from me.

I don't know what happened, and neither does anyone else. The only ones who know are the bor and they aren't talking. My opinion is there was WAY too much smoke around this program and Briles had to go. I think the departure was handled about as wrong as a departure can be handled. I think the bor should all be thrown out for horrible mis-management of the entire debacle--T9 & reporting university-wide, scapegoating, and complicity in the whole mess that continued long, long after that day in May.

No conspiracy, just aggy-level STUPID.

I blame the players who committed crimes, Briles, the AD staff, the Starr administration, and the BOR. Some of those people were punished. Others were not. That is wrong.

Agree it was a cluster and it shouldn't have ended like that.

But hindsight...

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Turns out that Jerry Sandusky and Art have something big in common.

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keep throwing that **** at the wall, maybe one day someone other than you will say it sticks

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True or False:

There is proof that Art Briles actively hid conduct violations from the University?

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Oh yeah. Yessir. Hundred percento. Aint no argument.

Most people don't reckon Briles was fired for that stuff though. And really if some people on here would just admit that the firing even though it was warranted was a way for Baylor to stick the raping on Briles that'd be fine. Cuz thats what I think. If some of yall knew how Baylor treated them girls you'd prolly change yer tune too. Or if ya knew what a mess the policy at the school was. Briles aint a saint. Baylor wasnt acting too Christian with these girls. Jesus wouldnt have been proud.

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I have never understood the logic of this thinking.

They wanted to blame Briles for everything, yet they admitted failure on every possible level. They issued a finding of facts that primarily was not about football.

The said to make things better going forward there were 105 recommendations, an overwhelming majority had nothing to do with football.

Worst possible "blame everything on football" job ever !

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BrooksBearLives said:

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True or False:

There is proof that Art Briles actively hid conduct violations from the University?

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Oh yeah. Yessir. Hundred percento. Aint no argument.

Most people don't reckon Briles was fired for that stuff though. And really if some people on here would just admit that the firing even though it was warranted was a way for Baylor to stick the raping on Briles that'd be fine. Cuz thats what I think. If some of yall knew how Baylor treated them girls you'd prolly change yer tune too. Or if ya knew what a mess the policy at the school was. Briles aint a saint. Baylor wasnt acting too Christian with these girls. Jesus wouldnt have been proud.

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Here's the fact pattern I see.

Coach comes in at a school who can't get talent, so you have to cut some corners. (Maybe they're small, but a baller. Or maybe they're not as fast, but they're smart and gamers. Or maybe they're from a bad background and/or suspect character. Take a chance and give them a chance.) We know this is fact.

Some of these are "bad dudes." He cuts corners (obviously) and hides stuff from Judicial Affairs. We know this is fact.

Some of these shady characters we took chances on ended up doing some horrible things. And they were here because he brought them. And at least some were kept here because he broke rules and hid things. Those are facts.

Add into that the sexual assaults on this campus in and out of the athletic department, it's a perfect storm.

Now, if you REALLY want to blame this on the BOR because you just don't think it's fair that a guy who deserved to get fired got fired and is also now the face of our rape problem... okay. I'm not sure if your point. But okay.

There's plenty of blame to go around, but it's definitely going around. I'm a 2x Baylor Grad who does some work in Title IX. I get confused faces all the time. I can't imagine what it's like for those there now.

Everyone is getting scarred by this. Not just him.

But we're never going to get anywhere arguing about who was arranging the ships on the Titanic. The ship went down, and there's a lot of blame. But it's gone, man. And I think we may be a little close to it to see it completely clearly right now. Emotions too raw.

Was a regular on baylorfans back in the old days. Stopped spending time there about a decade ago.....

Keyser Soze's important post (above) motivated me to register, just to be able to give him rep points (or however that works).

So many of the same folks complaining (with justification) about the popular perception of the "scandal," especially as it relates to the coaching staff/football program, indulge in the same sloppy, conspiracy-mongering thinking when it comes to the administration.

I know next to nothing about the inner workings/inner politics of the BOR. But I know enough to recognize when people are looking for convenient villains/smoking guns because a "systematic failure" doesn't lend itself to itself to easy moralizing by anyone.

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The rape enabler/cover-up label may be the one that you are on here fighting, but that comes from the media not me. That link that KS posted is the first glimpse of policy that I have seen. If it was policy, then Briles did not follow it. Ian did not follow it. That is the point. You can't twist it that they did. Motivations are irrelevant.

If the current lawsuit discovery continues, some attorney may be bright enough to ask if key players appear on rosters of staff development training classes or acknowledgements that they read & received employee handbooks. Baylor could have trained online. A record of competition would be somewhere on file. Maybe Baylor skipped these standard Higher Ed HR functions. Maybe certain employees skipped the training. Either way, you report SA to specific people if you are designated a reporter. If your supervisor isn't on the list, then that does not count.

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That's the biggest pile of nonsense yet. Motivations are all that matter to the public. People think Briles (and Baylor as well) purposely tried to cover up rape, and purposely hurt women. They care that Baylor turned away women in need. They don't care that 5 people did not report the same incident, as long as someone did. This scandal is not about a "technical" failing, no matter how much Baylor tries to make it that.

And since you want to make it about procedures and protocol, if Baylor had a signed acknowledgement from Briles that he completed training, or some record of a course completion, don't you think they would have been waving that thing around like it was the last Dead Sea Scroll? That would be their ultimate alibi. It would show that their employees should have known how to operate under Title IX.

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READ THIS ALL YOU "The coaches\Briles should have reported this to Title 9/JA" PEOPLE!

This was the training that the athletics administration gave the coaches. It was a coaches meeting outlining what defines sexual assault. The instructions given to every coach: report it to the athletic admin/Ian McCaw. Direct victim to police. That's it. For whatever reason at the time, the President didn't require the AD to give more training. And as Malbec points out had they had the training, Baylor would be waving the signed paperwork in the air. PH skipped this evidence and sold that Briles hid it. The public still buys it. And some here as well.
Barnes was very badly treated here and had many offers to sue BU. He passed so he could coach and pull his family away from the circus and I don't blame him. All though I told him to take the money he wasn't about that. He built the BU VB program. Even today almost every significant starter is his players. Even Yossi the freshmen phenom was Barnes' recruit.

Baylor didn't train their coaches properly. Then they threw them into the fire when it might have come out they didn't.

Time to move on.

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Other high-ranking athletic personnel, totally unrelated to football and as good as the day is long, also heard later accounts of the volleyball player story. They had no idea where to go with it either.

That whole account is scapegoating 101 by a university that heard an appalling story, didn't have its ducks in a row, and needed to blame someone. If we also fired Tom Hill for that (not the person I'm referring to above, btw) that again tells you all you need to know.