You keep saying "mandatory reporting" as if it is some magic vitamin that everyone has with their breakfast in the morning. If you don't tell your employees that there is mandatory reporting, and you don't have a policy that has been enforced by notice and training, then you can't expect the employees to know the protocol, where it applies, and what to do if it does. Why don't you get that?

GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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Brooksbear/Keyser/Malbec and all others please read this.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM BARNES:
The Baylor athletic department policy was to inform the AD about SA and tell the victim to report it to police/JA.
That is what every coach was told to do as a rule and morally responsible to do in 2013. Every coach did this including Briles. So Broosbear plz stop with citing what title 9 says to do NOW. It is beside the point!!!

After Barnes repeatedly asked McCaw what more can be done because she didn't want to report it to the police. McCaw gave Barnes JA's number. When he meet the player and parents a 2nd time before they left to go home he and his staff begged them to call JA. Barnes called JA just before the meeting to see if she should call them or go to the office. They said either way. They choose not to report. The exact words from the mother of the player was "we don't want her to be known as snitch." To which Barnes, although completely disgusted by her remark, begged them to report. They choose not to. The law suit that they have brought forth is lawyer talk and inaccurate in order to win the suit. Also Malbec, the player clearly told Barnes she was raped by 5 players. That's why he was so passionate on reporting this.

Barnes went back to McCaw and told him. McCaw said then there is nothing we can do if she doesn't report. Barnes talked to many people to see what else could be done including calling the police as well. They said they needed her to file a report in order to do anything. I don't think at the time even McCaw knew he had to report this. But later when he found out he was suppose to, tried to hide it. He even denied knowing about it when first asked about it.

Briles was always up front, helpful, and repeatedly stated she should report it. He never hid a thing about this. The player herself wrote him a letter that thanked him for his support. She just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

Briles "bad dudes" statement was mislead by PH. Briles said why was she in that terrible situation with those dudes. PH turned it into "bad dudes". The situation was severely drunk, 2am, off campus with 5 dudes. And warned by her head coach to stay away from this situation. It had been a repeated problem from her.

Barnes was wrongfully terminated. Briles was wrongfully characterized in this situation and it was the lynchpin lie that PH sold to the BOR. A few regents helped setup the Barnes firing to help McCaw cover it up and for Barnes not to meet the new Title 9 director who was hired the same week Barnes was fired. That's why they were only going to suspend McCaw and not fire him. He had that over them. But he decided the heat was to hot, took a good letter of recommendation and resigned.

Baylor admin didn't have the protocol set up. But that was the case with most universities at the time. The PH lawyers saw Baylor as the best situation to exploit it and get this on the front page. It worked.

This is not speculation.

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Where are you getting this?

And in either case, they don't have the ability to just send her to JA. At the VERY LEAST, they have to go to JA to tell them what THEY know, and what SHE TOLD THEM. Then JA can take it from there.

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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So Ian should be fired 10 times over is what you are saying.

Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

Not to go to campus? You mean JA? Told by whom?

Keyser Soze said:

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Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

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That description of GG's would be pretty consistent(meaning similar, not causally related) with:

• whistleblower incidents
• fraud and abuse reporting

However, the biggest thing the federal sentencing guidelines/research on fraud is the ''tone at the top'' or the expectation communicated by word and example of the highest level persons in the organization.
So certainly Ian gets the spotlight, but the board should include an audit/compliance committee person that communicates reporting and behavior expectations.

Ian certainly sucked, but that was condoned and rewarded.

xiledinok said:

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Let's face it. The robe was too stupid to handle coaching in college or where adults are supposed to look out for students.
The vast majority of Americans can use common sense but not this group.

All these threads remind us once again how sorry of an athletic director the Canadian was at Baylor. He didn't raise a dime but sure exposed the school because winning would mask how mid major our shxt show was with athletics.

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This is absolutely true at least in my opinion.

But I don't think we have any regents with enough academic experience to know what a real AD looks like.

GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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he just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

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W

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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I hear what you're saying, but we've also heard

1) he ran his own ship
2) Briles and the AD are on good terms.

the story you're telling was they were mislead by Ian.

So why hasn't Briles said that publicly? If Briles walked up to a podium and said, "I reported everything to the AD as I was instructed."

You'd have a completely different perception in the world. Granted, you'd still have to explain a few players altogether, but it would have changed some things.

NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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Brooksbear/Keyser/Malbec and all others please read this.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM BARNES:
The Baylor athletic department policy was to inform the AD about SA and tell the victim to report it to police/JA.
That is what every coach was told to do as a rule and morally responsible to do in 2013. Every coach did this including Briles. So Broosbear plz stop with citing what title 9 says to do NOW. It is beside the point!!!

After Barnes repeatedly asked McCaw what more can be done because she didn't want to report it to the police. McCaw gave Barnes JA's number. When he meet the player and parents a 2nd time before they left to go home he and his staff begged them to call JA. Barnes called JA just before the meeting to see if she should call them or go to the office. They said either way. They choose not to report. The exact words from the mother of the player was "we don't want her to be known as snitch." To which Barnes, although completely disgusted by her remark, begged them to report. They choose not to. The law suit that they have brought forth is lawyer talk and inaccurate in order to win the suit. Also Malbec, the player clearly told Barnes she was raped by 5 players. That's why he was so passionate on reporting this.

Barnes went back to McCaw and told him. McCaw said then there is nothing we can do if she doesn't report. Barnes talked to many people to see what else could be done including calling the police as well. They said they needed her to file a report in order to do anything. I don't think at the time even McCaw knew he had to report this. But later when he found out he was suppose to, tried to hide it. He even denied knowing about it when first asked about it.

Briles was always up front, helpful, and repeatedly stated she should report it. He never hid a thing about this. The player herself wrote him a letter that thanked him for his support. She just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

Briles "bad dudes" statement was mislead by PH. Briles said why was she in that terrible situation with those dudes. PH turned it into "bad dudes". The situation was severely drunk, 2am, off campus with 5 dudes. And warned by her head coach to stay away from this situation. It had been a repeated problem from her.

Barnes was wrongfully terminated. Briles was wrongfully characterized in this situation and it was the lynchpin lie that PH sold to the BOR. A few regents helped setup the Barnes firing to help McCaw cover it up and for Barnes not to meet the new Title 9 director who was hired the same week Barnes was fired. That's why they were only going to suspend McCaw and not fire him. He had that over them. But he decided the heat was to hot, took a good letter of recommendation and resigned.

Baylor admin didn't have the protocol set up. But that was the case with most universities at the time. The PH lawyers saw Baylor as the best situation to exploit it and get this on the front page. It worked.

This is not speculation.

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Where are you getting this?

And in either case, they don't have the ability to just send her to JA. At the VERY LEAST, they have to go to JA to tell them what THEY know, and what SHE TOLD THEM. Then JA can take it from there.

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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So Ian should be fired 10 times over is what you are saying.

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If we had an honorable and moral BoR? Yes.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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he just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

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W

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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I hear what you're saying, but we've also heard

1) he ran his own ship
2) Briles and the AD are on good terms.

the story you're telling was they were mislead by Ian.

So why hasn't Briles said that publicly? If Briles walked up to a podium and said, "I reported everything to the AD as I was instructed."

You'd have a completely different perception in the world. Granted, you'd still have to explain a few players altogether, but it would have changed some things.

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In regards to keeping the assistant coaches for the 2016 season, they said that if an assistant coach reports to his head coach they have done their job. This would be very much like what GG said.

The Regents have said that Briles and McCaw had an obligation to report to JA (or Baylor PD or T9)

It looks to me there may be no conflicts here, just different levels of the organization have different people to report things to.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

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That description of GG's would be pretty consistent(meaning similar, not causally related) with:

• whistleblower incidents
• fraud and abuse reporting

However, the biggest thing the federal sentencing guidelines/research on fraud is the ''tone at the top'' or the expectation communicated by word and example of the highest level persons in the organization.
So certainly Ian gets the spotlight, but the board should include an audit/compliance committee person that communicates reporting and behavior expectations.

Ian certainly sucked, but that was condoned and rewarded.

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Pretty sure that it's only us who have had significant concerns over the audit and compliance committee.

true.

I don't want to make that sound like it's entirely relevant, but the processes, expectations and procedures are not drastically different in any case. Governance is governance.

I would have CYA'd it and documented it silly. one good email with a time stamp and a communication would have saved a lot of asses. the idea that there was some degree of scheming regarding who to tell/who not to tell is still problematic. And Im not remotely surprised that this account paints Ian as questionable.

Smarter people in the organization learned to avoid Ian long ago...

YoakDaddy said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

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That description of GG's would be pretty consistent(meaning similar, not causally related) with:

• whistleblower incidents
• fraud and abuse reporting

However, the biggest thing the federal sentencing guidelines/research on fraud is the ''tone at the top'' or the expectation communicated by word and example of the highest level persons in the organization.
So certainly Ian gets the spotlight, but the board should include an audit/compliance committee person that communicates reporting and behavior expectations.

Ian certainly sucked, but that was condoned and rewarded.

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Pretty sure that it's only us who have had significant concerns over the audit and compliance committee.

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Why are you so concerned over the accounting audit?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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he just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

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W

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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I hear what you're saying, but we've also heard

1) he ran his own ship
2) Briles and the AD are on good terms.

the story you're telling was they were mislead by Ian.

So why hasn't Briles said that publicly? If Briles walked up to a podium and said, "I reported everything to the AD as I was instructed."

You'd have a completely different perception in the world. Granted, you'd still have to explain a few players altogether, but it would have changed some things.

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I don't think anybody in the athletic department felt they did anything wrong in that situation. It surely is easy to turn she didn't want to press charges and we respected her wishes into a rape coverup. Course Briles knew about the drinkin and the drugs and the kids pullin their wieners and guns out. All true. Filed that suit and Baylor burned his butt with that info. So he shut his trap thinkin he still might coach. Dont think he deserves to be the BU rape harborer coach. But running a fast and loose program cost him.

NoBSU said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

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That description of GG's would be pretty consistent(meaning similar, not causally related) with:

• whistleblower incidents
• fraud and abuse reporting

However, the biggest thing the federal sentencing guidelines/research on fraud is the ''tone at the top'' or the expectation communicated by word and example of the highest level persons in the organization.
So certainly Ian gets the spotlight, but the board should include an audit/compliance committee person that communicates reporting and behavior expectations.

Ian certainly sucked, but that was condoned and rewarded.

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Pretty sure that it's only us who have had significant concerns over the audit and compliance committee.

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Why are you so concerned over the accounting audit?

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I'm not. But deal with attorneys, integrity statements and Foreign Corrupt Practices Act info, the processes for reporting and governance aren't all that different though it ends up on a different desk. Compliance usually means legal. It's combined in some organizations, but it catches other liabilities as well.

If a guy gets paid under the table, it's fraud, but also a legal issue. Make sense? I'm not saying it's applicable here, just saying that reporting of "Incidents' whatever they may be, usually follows a very similar protocol. one level above, documentation, witnesses, etc. It's why none of my professor friends have meetings with students behind closed doors. It's why emails are often unanswered, it's why work isn't shared that isn't perfectly described as to the owners.

I'm just talking about incident reporting in general. Everyone I know above a mgr level knows that if something looks grey, they CYA. they don't wait to see what someone else will think later...

Chanceux said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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GG1234 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GG1234 said:

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he just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

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W

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Coaches were clearly told NOT to go to campus. Only the Athletic admin would communicate with campus.
So now do you understand?

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I hear what you're saying, but we've also heard

1) he ran his own ship
2) Briles and the AD are on good terms.

the story you're telling was they were mislead by Ian.

So why hasn't Briles said that publicly? If Briles walked up to a podium and said, "I reported everything to the AD as I was instructed."

You'd have a completely different perception in the world. Granted, you'd still have to explain a few players altogether, but it would have changed some things.

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I don't think anybody in the athletic department felt they did anything wrong in that situation. It surely is easy to turn she didn't want to press charges and we respected her wishes into a rape coverup. Course Briles knew about the drinkin and the drugs and the kids pullin their wieners and guns out. All true. Filed that suit and Baylor burned his butt with that info. So he shut his trap thinkin he still might coach. Dont think he deserves to be the BU rape harborer coach. But running a fast and loose program cost him.

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As I've stated on other threads, the public optics aren't the issue to me, if you get caught hiding or not telling the truth to the governance function, you're toast. I'm sure Baylor, like 99.9% of the rest of the world, has a small clause in the employee manual that has an ethics statement saying "don't lie, cheat, steal, etc."

The organization gets to eat the legal liability you've created, if they can't see that you're on the team, they're almost always better off cutting your throat to show the world they took it seriously.

NoBSU said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Thanks for sharing GG

As someone who has read just about everything possible on this situation, and it is a lot, there are no major conflicts with GG's account and the more credible sources of information.

My main thoughts are McCraw should be shot along with the regents who swept Barnes under the rug

None of this changes the mandatory reporting requirements - but squarely puts screwing them up on the AD

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That description of GG's would be pretty consistent(meaning similar, not causally related) with:

• whistleblower incidents
• fraud and abuse reporting

However, the biggest thing the federal sentencing guidelines/research on fraud is the ''tone at the top'' or the expectation communicated by word and example of the highest level persons in the organization.
So certainly Ian gets the spotlight, but the board should include an audit/compliance committee person that communicates reporting and behavior expectations.

Ian certainly sucked, but that was condoned and rewarded.

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Pretty sure that it's only us who have had significant concerns over the audit and compliance committee.

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Why are you so concerned over the accounting audit?

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As TellMe so eloquently put it, there's more than accounting under that umbrella.

Hmmm...this thread suddenly went silent.

Robemcdo said:

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There is no volleyball story
It was created to suit the needs of those who set fire to Baylor

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Correct.

RioRata said:

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Hmmm...this thread suddenly went silent.

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I am wondering why my conversation with Milli from Saturday night into Sunday morning was deleted.

RioRata said:

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Robemcdo said:

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There is no volleyball story
It was created to suit the needs of those who set fire to Baylor

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Correct.

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lol. Do you buy name brand Reynolds or store brand foil?

GG1234 said:

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Brooksbear/Keyser/Malbec and all others please read this.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM BARNES:
The Baylor athletic department policy was to inform the AD about SA and tell the victim to report it to police/JA.
That is what every coach was told to do as a rule and morally responsible to do in 2013. Every coach did this including Briles. So Broosbear plz stop with citing what title 9 says to do NOW. It is beside the point!!!

After Barnes repeatedly asked McCaw what more can be done because she didn't want to report it to the police. McCaw gave Barnes JA's number. When he meet the player and parents a 2nd time before they left to go home he and his staff begged them to call JA. Barnes called JA just before the meeting to see if she should call them or go to the office. They said either way. They choose not to report. The exact words from the mother of the player was "we don't want her to be known as snitch." To which Barnes, although completely disgusted by her remark, begged them to report. They choose not to. The law suit that they have brought forth is lawyer talk and inaccurate in order to win the suit. Also Malbec, the player clearly told Barnes she was raped by 5 players. That's why he was so passionate on reporting this.

Barnes went back to McCaw and told him. McCaw said then there is nothing we can do if she doesn't report. Barnes talked to many people to see what else could be done including calling the police as well. They said they needed her to file a report in order to do anything. I don't think at the time even McCaw knew he had to report this. But later when he found out he was suppose to, tried to hide it. He even denied knowing about it when first asked about it.

Briles was always up front, helpful, and repeatedly stated she should report it. He never hid a thing about this. The player herself wrote him a letter that thanked him for his support. She just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

Briles "bad dudes" statement was mislead by PH. Briles said why was she in that terrible situation with those dudes. PH turned it into "bad dudes". The situation was severely drunk, 2am, off campus with 5 dudes. And warned by her head coach to stay away from this situation. It had been a repeated problem from her.

Barnes was wrongfully terminated. Briles was wrongfully characterized in this situation and it was the lynchpin lie that PH sold to the BOR. A few regents helped setup the Barnes firing to help McCaw cover it up and for Barnes not to meet the new Title 9 director who was hired the same week Barnes was fired. That's why they were only going to suspend McCaw and not fire him. He had that over them. But he decided the heat was to hot, took a good letter of recommendation and resigned.

Baylor admin didn't have the protocol set up. But that was the case with most universities at the time. The PH lawyers saw Baylor as the best situation to exploit it and get this on the front page. It worked.

This is not speculation.

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So if I'm understanding correctly so far:

-Baylor did not have proper training for mandatory reporting, in fact, Baylor's stance was that if it happened off campus, it wasn't Baylor's problem unless there was a police report.
-Barnes, Briles, Ian all thought they did what they were supposed to with the volleyball player incident.
-A few BOR members conspired with Ian to get Barnes fired so he wouldn't speak with Patty Crawford.
-When it came time to fire someone, most would have wanted to fire Ian, but because of the Barnes incident, some board members (I'm guessing the people that flew out to get the early PH presentation) took the PH info and tried painting Briles as the bad guy to get him fired instead. This is where a lot of people come up with the "scapegoat" idea.
- Ian resigns anyway with a letter of recommendation.

That sound about right?

Columbo, you are discussing these issues with people who will only be willing to present or accept information that justifies decisions already made.

ColomboLQ said:

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GG1234 said:

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Brooksbear/Keyser/Malbec and all others please read this.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM BARNES:
The Baylor athletic department policy was to inform the AD about SA and tell the victim to report it to police/JA.
That is what every coach was told to do as a rule and morally responsible to do in 2013. Every coach did this including Briles. So Broosbear plz stop with citing what title 9 says to do NOW. It is beside the point!!!

After Barnes repeatedly asked McCaw what more can be done because she didn't want to report it to the police. McCaw gave Barnes JA's number. When he meet the player and parents a 2nd time before they left to go home he and his staff begged them to call JA. Barnes called JA just before the meeting to see if she should call them or go to the office. They said either way. They choose not to report. The exact words from the mother of the player was "we don't want her to be known as snitch." To which Barnes, although completely disgusted by her remark, begged them to report. They choose not to. The law suit that they have brought forth is lawyer talk and inaccurate in order to win the suit. Also Malbec, the player clearly told Barnes she was raped by 5 players. That's why he was so passionate on reporting this.

Barnes went back to McCaw and told him. McCaw said then there is nothing we can do if she doesn't report. Barnes talked to many people to see what else could be done including calling the police as well. They said they needed her to file a report in order to do anything. I don't think at the time even McCaw knew he had to report this. But later when he found out he was suppose to, tried to hide it. He even denied knowing about it when first asked about it.

Briles was always up front, helpful, and repeatedly stated she should report it. He never hid a thing about this. The player herself wrote him a letter that thanked him for his support. She just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

Briles "bad dudes" statement was mislead by PH. Briles said why was she in that terrible situation with those dudes. PH turned it into "bad dudes". The situation was severely drunk, 2am, off campus with 5 dudes. And warned by her head coach to stay away from this situation. It had been a repeated problem from her.

Barnes was wrongfully terminated. Briles was wrongfully characterized in this situation and it was the lynchpin lie that PH sold to the BOR. A few regents helped setup the Barnes firing to help McCaw cover it up and for Barnes not to meet the new Title 9 director who was hired the same week Barnes was fired. That's why they were only going to suspend McCaw and not fire him. He had that over them. But he decided the heat was to hot, took a good letter of recommendation and resigned.

Baylor admin didn't have the protocol set up. But that was the case with most universities at the time. The PH lawyers saw Baylor as the best situation to exploit it and get this on the front page. It worked.

This is not speculation.

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So if I'm understanding correctly so far:

-Baylor did not have proper training for mandatory reporting, in fact, Baylor's stance was that if it happened off campus, it wasn't Baylor's problem unless there was a police report.
-Barnes, Briles, Ian all thought they did what they were supposed to with the volleyball player incident.
-A few BOR members conspired with Ian to get Barnes fired so he wouldn't speak with Patty Crawford.
-When it came time to fire someone, most would have wanted to fire Ian, but because of the Barnes incident, some board members (I'm guessing the people that flew out to get the early PH presentation) took the PH info and tried painting Briles as the bad guy to get him fired instead. This is where a lot of people come up with the "scapegoat" idea.
- Ian resigns anyway with a letter of recommendation.

That sound about right?

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Don't forget those BOR members wouldn't let the BOR's athletics representative at the time get on the plane to fly to Philadelphia to hear the report. Like, got to the airport then said he couldn't go.

303Bear said:

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Robemcdo said:

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There is no volleyball story
It was created to suit the needs of those who set fire to Baylor

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Do you have anything to back up or expand on this bold claim?

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Every coach went out on a limb describing exactly the sequence that happened . We choose not to believe them

The girl wrote a letter to Cab thanking him for his concern

Baylor lost to a mediocre Fcs team. Doesn't get better proof than that .

ColomboLQ said:

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GG1234 said:

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Brooksbear/Keyser/Malbec and all others please read this.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM BARNES:
The Baylor athletic department policy was to inform the AD about SA and tell the victim to report it to police/JA.
That is what every coach was told to do as a rule and morally responsible to do in 2013. Every coach did this including Briles. So Broosbear plz stop with citing what title 9 says to do NOW. It is beside the point!!!

After Barnes repeatedly asked McCaw what more can be done because she didn't want to report it to the police. McCaw gave Barnes JA's number. When he meet the player and parents a 2nd time before they left to go home he and his staff begged them to call JA. Barnes called JA just before the meeting to see if she should call them or go to the office. They said either way. They choose not to report. The exact words from the mother of the player was "we don't want her to be known as snitch." To which Barnes, although completely disgusted by her remark, begged them to report. They choose not to. The law suit that they have brought forth is lawyer talk and inaccurate in order to win the suit. Also Malbec, the player clearly told Barnes she was raped by 5 players. That's why he was so passionate on reporting this.

Barnes went back to McCaw and told him. McCaw said then there is nothing we can do if she doesn't report. Barnes talked to many people to see what else could be done including calling the police as well. They said they needed her to file a report in order to do anything. I don't think at the time even McCaw knew he had to report this. But later when he found out he was suppose to, tried to hide it. He even denied knowing about it when first asked about it.

Briles was always up front, helpful, and repeatedly stated she should report it. He never hid a thing about this. The player herself wrote him a letter that thanked him for his support. She just wanted to be gone and her name not brought into this.

Briles "bad dudes" statement was mislead by PH. Briles said why was she in that terrible situation with those dudes. PH turned it into "bad dudes". The situation was severely drunk, 2am, off campus with 5 dudes. And warned by her head coach to stay away from this situation. It had been a repeated problem from her.

Barnes was wrongfully terminated. Briles was wrongfully characterized in this situation and it was the lynchpin lie that PH sold to the BOR. A few regents helped setup the Barnes firing to help McCaw cover it up and for Barnes not to meet the new Title 9 director who was hired the same week Barnes was fired. That's why they were only going to suspend McCaw and not fire him. He had that over them. But he decided the heat was to hot, took a good letter of recommendation and resigned.

Baylor admin didn't have the protocol set up. But that was the case with most universities at the time. The PH lawyers saw Baylor as the best situation to exploit it and get this on the front page. It worked.

This is not speculation.

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So if I'm understanding correctly so far:

-Baylor did not have proper training for mandatory reporting, in fact, Baylor's stance was that if it happened off campus, it wasn't Baylor's problem unless there was a police report.
-Barnes, Briles, Ian all thought they did what they were supposed to with the volleyball player incident.

Barnes definitely didn't know of his obligation to report to JA. In Shillinglaw they said Briles and Ian knew. Barnes certainly wouldn't have known what they knew and he didn't.


-A few BOR members conspired with Ian to get Barnes fired so he wouldn't speak with Patty Crawford.

Yes per GG - at a minimum someone approved / funded a good bye package for Barnes. Who? Conspiracy or just helping Ian out and not asking questions. So many more questions here.

-When it came time to fire someone, most would have wanted to fire Ian, but because of the Barnes incident, some board members (I'm guessing the people that flew out to get the early PH presentation) took the PH info and tried painting Briles as the bad guy to get him fired instead. This is where a lot of people come up with the "scapegoat" idea.

Certainly where the scapegoating rumor comes from but the GG account only tells us the Barnes' POV on this matter. Much speculation in the wanted to get Briles angle. Yes Ian should be fired over this.

- Ian resigns anyway with a letter of recommendation.

A good move by Ian (one of the few of late)

That sound about right?

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To me this is far more about Barnes and McCraw than Briles.

Here is the key passage from Shillinglaw

"Pepper Hamilton concluded that a number of factors had contributed to the code of silence
within football. Those factors included the absence of a full-time Title IX Coordinator prior to
November 2014, unclear reporting procedures, and inadequate Title IX training for Athletics
Department personnel. However, Pepper Hamilton also concluded that Coach Briles and McCaw
knew that Judicial Affairs had jurisdiction for investigating sexual assaults. Indeed, on April 23,
2013 the very same day Coach Briles learned about the student-athlete's account of being gang
raped he was forwarded a letter stating that Judicial Affairs had investigated and cleared another
one of his players of sexual assault allegations. "

My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

In fact, all that passage had to include was something along the lines of "Coach Briles had been trained in proper reporting policy as is everyone at Baylor as was the procedure at the time and he was aware of his obligation to report to Judicial Affairs." It would make things much more clear cut. One has to wonder why something like that is not included in there.

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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I'm not saying Briles didn't purposefully hide things from JA, there is clear evidence he did. We don't know to the highest level of misdeeds he tried to hide (but we do know he didn't try to cover up any rape incidents according to Baylor's letter) but that is a discussion for another thread. My point is that he gets killed on this site for not reporting 2nd hand information about this volleyball player. I have still not seen evidence to show that Briles KNEW he was obligated to report it, even if Barnes had already spoken with Ian and JA.

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Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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I'm not saying Briles didn't purposefully hide things from JA, there is clear evidence he did. We don't know to the highest level of misdeeds he tried to hide (but we do know he didn't try to cover up any rape incidents that directly reported to him according to Baylor's letter) but that is a discussion for another thread. My point is that he gets killed on this site for not reporting 2nd hand information about this volleyball player. I have still not seen evidence to show that Briles KNEW he was obligated to report it, even if Barnes had already spoken with Ian and JA.

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FIFU

Baylor certainly thinks he knew, but that horse has been beaten to death. GG has certainly added to what we know.

Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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Are you stating that two bad dudes raped a girl then later broke into her apartment and harassed her and CAB was the person (only?) that was informed of this? Hadn't heard this one.

Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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I'm not saying Briles didn't purposefully hide things from JA, there is clear evidence he did. We don't know to the highest level of misdeeds he tried to hide (but we do know he didn't try to cover up any rape incidents that directly reported to him according to Baylor's letter) but that is a discussion for another thread. My point is that he gets killed on this site for not reporting 2nd hand information about this volleyball player. I have still not seen evidence to show that Briles KNEW he was obligated to report it, even if Barnes had already spoken with Ian and JA.

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FIFU

Baylor certainly thinks he knew, but that horse has been beaten to death. GG has certainly added to what we know.

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From Baylor's letter to Briles:

"In particular, at this time we are unaware of any situation where you personally had contact with anyone who directly reported to you being the victim of sexual assault or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials. Nor are we aware of any situation where you played a student athlete who had been found responsible for sexual assault."

Baylor clearly states he didn't try to cover any sexual assault incident whether it was reported to him or not. Actually Baylor even clearly states that he didn't have any victim of sexual assault directly report it to him. So I'm not entirely sure what you think you are fixing in my post.

Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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The real mccoy question to me is did that there policy apply to off campus mischief.

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Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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Are you stating that two bad dudes raped a girl then later broke into her apartment and harassed her and CAB was the person (only?) that was informed of this? Hadn't heard this one.

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To be clear the break in and harassment are not the same occasion. Several assistants knew.

ColomboLQ said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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My recap was directed at GG based on what he was saying. I get it's all based on his or Barnes POV; I was just trying to make sure I was following correctly. As far as your point about Briles knowing his obligation to report, I will point out to you what has already been pointed out to you in the past about that Shillinglaw passage. His awareness of JA having jurisdiction for investigation sexual assault is NOT the same thing as his being aware that he is obligated to report even 2nd hand information to JA. That passage does NOT state that at all.

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Baylor has said there was obligation to report in more than one place, not just Shillinglaw.

GG's account certainly softens things towards Briles some, for McCaw it sets them in stone. We also have text and such showing a deliberate "keep them away from Judicial Affairs" from Briles for other events.

From other accounts two of the alleged rapist broke into the victims apartment and harassed her. Briles knew of this and did nothing including reporting this to JA.

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I'm not saying Briles didn't purposefully hide things from JA, there is clear evidence he did. We don't know to the highest level of misdeeds he tried to hide (but we do know he didn't try to cover up any rape incidents that directly reported to him according to Baylor's letter) but that is a discussion for another thread. My point is that he gets killed on this site for not reporting 2nd hand information about this volleyball player. I have still not seen evidence to show that Briles KNEW he was obligated to report it, even if Barnes had already spoken with Ian and JA.

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FIFU

Baylor certainly thinks he knew, but that horse has been beaten to death. GG has certainly added to what we know.

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From Baylor's letter to Briles:

"In particular, at this time we are unaware of any situation where you personally had contact with anyone who directly reported to you being the victim of sexual assault or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials. Nor are we aware of any situation where you played a student athlete who had been found responsible for sexual assault."

Baylor clearly states he didn't try to cover any sexual assault incident whether it was reported to him or not. Actually Baylor even clearly states that he didn't have any victim of sexual assault directly report it to him. So I'm not entirely sure what you think you are fixing in my post.

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Those are not the same things by any stretch

Character obviously didn't count with Ian or Briles and his staff. Maybe that is why they are toxic and can only coach for well known scum like Lame Kiffin.

Most adults understand that working for a college it isn't working for the local garbage disposal company. There is some responsibility with trash that blows all over the campus.
Oh well, the Wall Street Journal splashed it worldwide and now no decent brand name can be associated with those guys.