Keyser Soze said:

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The original was never found - only a copy of the original exist

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Like I said, I have the original video from Tevin's phone.

If anyone is really interested in this Baylor scandal and the causes and the coverups and the win at all costs, and the corruption etc...the answer is right here. The trials of Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwauchu. The rest of this story is BS. If these wrongs ever get righted , Baylor has a chance to come back. If not, good luck!!!

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

Robemcdo said:

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If anyone is really interested in this Baylor scandal and the causes and the coverups and the win at all costs, and the corruption etc...the answer is right here. The trials of Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwauchu. The rest of this story is BS. If these wrongs ever get righted , Baylor has a chance to come back. If not, good luck!!!

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Baylor will "come back." It already is coming back. New president, 105 recommendations... etc. etc. etc. We have a public narrative that there were some bad football players and a win-at-all-costs coach who looked the other way when they raped some women.

D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

Robemcdo said:

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If anyone is really interested in this Baylor scandal and the causes and the coverups and the win at all costs, and the corruption etc...the answer is right here. The trials of Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwauchu. The rest of this story is BS. If these wrongs ever get righted , Baylor has a chance to come back. If not, good luck!!!

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Come back to what?

Gunny Hartman said:

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Franko said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Of course there are other reasonable explanations.

Gunny Hartman said:

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The original was never found - only a copy of the original exist

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Like I said, I have the original video from Tevin's phone.

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So when TE said he no longer had possession of the Balckberry that made the recording, you had it all this time?


I don't think we are operating under the same definition of original.

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Finally we get the face of this scandal on here.

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He is the face of why Sam deserves a new trial. You should tap the breaks after that.

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Does a deleted 30 min footage from a surveillance camera the would have helped Elliot merit a new trial?

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Is there any evidence that this happened? Like a court transcript or published news story?

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Testimony of McLennan County ADA:

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That is interesting. Is there any evidence that those 30 minutes actually existed at some point? (Could there have been a technical malfunction in the recording equipment?)

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Evidence like perhaps that Tevin's Uncle has seen the 'unedited' version. What went on in that trial goes beyond corrupt. They should all be in jail....except Tevin.

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Two different tapes, and no surprise you have the two confused

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Keyser Soze said:

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The original was never found - only a copy of the original exist

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Like I said, I have the original video from Tevin's phone.

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So when TE said he no longer had possession of the Balckberry that made the recording, you had it all this time?


I don't think we are operating under the same definition of original.

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Indeed. And no offense, it's because you don't understand what it means to have the original video. If the video is transmitted from the original device, then you have the original video. It's really that simple.

Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Says the poster who thinks having a digital copy of a video is the same thing as having the recording phone and video available for forensic expert examination.

NoBSU said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Franko said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Says the poster who thinks having a digital copy of a video is the same thing as having the recording phone and video available for forensic expert examination.

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Oh I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. You'll know it too soon enough.

D. C. Bear said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Franko said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Of course there are other reasonable explanations.

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Well, this DA's office has a widely documented history of shady dealings, and when you couple that fact with the fact that after 10 consecutively recorded video files were turned over to Waco PD and the DA, all on a single device, and then the critical 1 of the 10 files ended up missing, then it's really not difficult to deduce how that strange coincidence came to pass.

NoBSU said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Franko said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Says the poster who thinks having a digital copy of a video is the same thing as having the recording phone and video available for forensic expert examination.

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Yep - easy to manipulate meta data

Never mind said video is not around when Waco PD was looking into things, or when Baylor was ready to expel him, or when Central Arkansas was ready to expel him. Yet, it appears just before the trial.

Keyser Soze said:

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NoBSU said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Franko said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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Says the poster who thinks having a digital copy of a video is the same thing as having the recording phone and video available for forensic expert examination.

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Yep - easy to manipulate meta data

Never mind said video is not around when Waco PD was looking into things, or when Baylor was ready to expel him, or when Central Arkansas was ready to expel him. Yet, it appears just before the trial.

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It was around then, too.

So you think a poor black kid from Mount Pleasant has the knowledge and resources to manipulate metadata? How about his housekeeper mother? Or his out of work, former steel mill worker uncle? Had to be one of them.

Gunny Hartman said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Franko said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It was detailed in the book Violated. TE's phone on which he made his tape was lost / stolen. TE had sent a copy to his uncle.

No original recording was ever seen or examined. Thus no reliable time stamp. FWIW, prosecutors thought It fake.

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Were these the same prosecutors who couldn't read a cell phone record and get the time right?

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Yes.

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Well, if they did the little cell phone record thing by accident, I wouldn't trust their competence with the other evidence--who cares if they claim something is fake or not? If they did it on purpose, I wouldn't trust their ethics. Bottom line, they should not be representing the people of McLennan county.

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There can be little doubt that the corrupt McLennan County District Attorney's office intentionally "lost" the critical 30 minutes of that surveillance tape. There is simply no other reasonable explanation.

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I knew that if I stayed on this board that I would eventually agree with Gunny!! Well said sir well said.

For those following with questions, there are two videos being discussed.

1. The video from the apartment complex. That has the missing 30 minutes that would really show what happened by the pool. I've been told from TE's camp it was what Bill Clinton would call not sexual relations. If that is the case, it would be pretty difficult to prove the 1st count of sexual assault that he was convicted of, as I don't see how oral could be done under an assault.

2. Video from Tevin's Blackberry - Apparently when carrying Jasmine, he hit the side button on his Blackberry which was a short cut to record a video, so there is a video of them walking through the parking lot. The video isn't very good, but you can hear someone talking and they did not sound like they were being carried against their will. Whoever did the video, does a pretty smart tactic in starting with a video of Jasmine from one of the TV shows so that you can hear her voice --

Both videos raise some concerns regarding his innocence. Why is the only video from the apartment surveillance the one that would show what happened by the pool?

I'd also be curious to know what the video showing two people leaving the pool looked like, was the female being forced, or did they look like two people going to find a more secluded spot?

Is there anything on Tevin's blackberry video that would be able to authenticate the time? -

is it even possible to match a voice? with today's technology, I would assume you could at least rule out if its not her.

Why in earth didn't this video not help his court case? If the DA talked through it, shouldn't you have the right to replay it?

Keyser Soze said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The original was never found - only a copy of the original exist

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Like I said, I have the original video from Tevin's phone.

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So when TE said he no longer had possession of the Balckberry that made the recording, you had it all this time?


I don't think we are operating under the same definition of original.

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When you are talking about digital recording, I am not sure that "original" and "copy" have much meaning. The recording is either legitimate or it is not and it does not matter how many times it is copied.

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For those following with questions, there are two videos being discussed.

1. The video from the apartment complex. That has the missing 30 minutes that would really show what happened by the pool. I've been told from TE's camp it was what Bill Clinton would call not sexual relations. If that is the case, it would be pretty difficult to prove the 1st count of sexual assault that he was convicted of, as I don't see how oral could be done under an assault.

2. Video from Tevin's Blackberry - Apparently when carrying Jasmine, he hit the side button on his Blackberry which was a short cut to record a video, so there is a video of them walking through the parking lot. The video isn't very good, but you can hear someone talking and they did not sound like they were being carried against their will. Whoever did the video, does a pretty smart tactic in starting with a video of Jasmine from one of the TV shows so that you can hear her voice --

Both videos raise some concerns regarding his innocence. Why is the only video from the apartment surveillance the one that would show what happened by the pool?

I'd also be curious to know what the video showing two people leaving the pool looked like, was the female being forced, or did they look like two people going to find a more secluded spot?

Is there anything on Tevin's blackberry video that would be able to authenticate the time? -

is it even possible to match a voice? with today's technology, I would assume you could at least rule out if its not her.

Why in earth didn't this video not help his court case? If the DA talked through it, shouldn't you have the right to replay it?

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It's his phone and it's the time that matches...I"m sure that's why it was allowed. And the interesting thing, Elliott never turned on the video recorder for the phone. Seems someone was looking out for him. As for getting a replay? That would assume you had a lawyer working for you and a judge that hadn't already packaged you up. In Elliott's case there were neither. Darling and Johnson just fed him to prison. These poor Elliotts thought the truth would be enough. God were they in for a surprise.

"Is there anything on Tevin's blackberry video that would be able to authenticate the time? - "

That is the point that Keyser is making. The video on the original device should be able to do this. If they have that phone, then great.

There are a couple of things to think about regarding the apartment video and the missing 30 minutes (the only missing segment of the 10 hour block). First, if the video showed evidence of an assault, it would be the most vital piece of evidence in the trial, so vital that its preservation and custody would be of the single most importance of any aspect of the case. Second, if the video showed evidence that an assault did not occur, it would be the single most important piece of exculpatory evidence in the case, and only the prosecution would have any motive favorable to its disappearance. Whatever that video showed, it would decide the outcome of the trial. If there was benefit to the prosecution, there is simply no way that video doesn't make its way into the courtroom.

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"Is there anything on Tevin's blackberry video that would be able to authenticate the time? - "

That is the point that Keyser is making. The video on the original device should be able to do this. If they have that phone, then great.

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Alright I'll try this one more time. We have what we need, and soon enough you'll see that for yourself. And I'm not going to say anything further on it at this point.

I understand that you long time Baylorfans posters are accustomed to dealing with anonymous psychos and so naturally would treat information as suspect, but if you'd been on premium on this site from the beginning then you'd know that I don't talk out of my ass. Among the work we've done, we identified and exposed the vicious Twitter troll @BaylorFail who was causing everyone so much grief, we helped get Sam U's conviction overturned, and we continue to work on other things as well that help Baylor and our fellow Bears.

If I don't know something, then I'll tell you or simply not opine at all. But if I post something as fact, then you can take it to the bank.

airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

Gunny Hartman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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And I am not trying to play forensic analyst here, but ...
Can't I duplicate the model and software update of any phone, play with the date/time. Leave the same trace elements in the digital file for a desired outcome. But the original phone should have the storage system.

I guess you could throw in the complication that the video was set to save to SD card for the original file.

Yes Gunny. Being on BF since 2003 has me doubting an anonymous poster on the board. Two years as premium on 247 doesn't add more than maybe about 4-5 people to my list.

Keyser Soze said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

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I owned one of the first iPhones in Dallas, so I've had smartphones going on 10 years now, and I had no idea that someone could do what you just described. How likely do you find it that Tevin Elliott knew how to do that 5 plus years ago?

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Can we get the Serial podcast lady down to Waco?

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brought to you by mail chimmmp

Gunny Hartman said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

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I owned one of the first iPhones in Dallas, so I've had smartphones going on 10 years now, and I had no idea that someone could do what you just described. How likely do you find it that Tevin Elliott knew how to do that 5 plus years ago?

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dude couldn't write a bibliography correctly so +100000000

NoBSU said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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Yes Gunny. Being on BF since 2003 has me doubting an anonymous poster on the board. Two years as premium on 247 doesn't add more than maybe about 4-5 people to my list.

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PM a mod and ask them if my word in these matters is to be trusted and then report back in this thread what they say.

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Robemcdo said:

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Finally we get the face of this scandal on here.

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He is the face of why Sam deserves a new trial. You should tap the breaks after that.

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Does a deleted 30 min footage from a surveillance camera the would have helped Elliot merit a new trial?

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What a vivid imagination Mrs. Lebby.

Gunny Hartman said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

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I owned one of the first iPhones in Dallas, so I've had smartphones going on 10 years now, and I had no idea that someone could do what you just described. How likely do you find it that Tevin Elliott knew how to do that 5 plus years ago?

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Do you really think college kids are less tech savvy than middle aged sports fans? This tape also did not show up until right before trial, some 20 months after the even took place.

Why hold back exonerating evidence from police day one?

Gunny Hartman said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

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I owned one of the first iPhones in Dallas

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Don't tell us. Mark Cuban, Jerry Jones, and Dirk Nowitzki got theirs before you?

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Gunny Hartman said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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It was a BlackBerry phone

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I know - just trying to do it quickly - the last sentence is the real point

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I owned one of the first iPhones in Dallas, so I've had smartphones going on 10 years now, and I had no idea that someone could do what you just described. How likely do you find it that Tevin Elliott knew how to do that 5 plus years ago?

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Do you really think college kids are less tech savvy than middle aged sports fans? This tape also did not show up until right before trial, some 20 months after the even took place.

Why hold back exonerating evidence from police day one?

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His lawyer, Jason Darling, told the prosecutors about the video early on in the case. Don't believe everything Paula says.

Gunny Hartman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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airplane mode

general>date&time>set automatically (off) > manually set time and or date

take pic or video

done -

Just did it on an iphone 7 and my pic stays at the changed date when I switch back - very easy


Without the original device to dig into forensically, a texted video's date does not mean much

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Yes Gunny. Being on BF since 2003 has me doubting an anonymous poster on the board. Two years as premium on 247 doesn't add more than maybe about 4-5 people to my list.

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PM a mod and ask them if my word in these matters is to be trusted and then report back in this thread what they say.

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I have no idea who this person is but if he says Waco DA is a cesspool and Elliott got the shaft ...believe him