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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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I really don't think Gust wishes debate any more than milli. Gust is a "hey look at me" And if you disagree then you are stupid. Milli is a "hey look at you" you don't agree with me and are stupid. I agree that Gust believes a general group is stupid and with Milli it is personal and direct to an individual. I have both on ignore.

By the way, Samsung "hover" randomly interprets my swipe to the "post" button as an selection of an emoticon.

You really don't do irony well.

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There shouldn't be shaming of alleged victims.

In fact, there shouldn't be shaming of any alleged person in all of these cases, especially when there is no or specious evidence of any wrongdoing.

The problem most of have with Milli is that he is the shamer. He is that woman you see in the Baptist Church every Wednesday and Sunday who simply doesn't require God because she has the omnipotence to judge everyone regardless if she has any evidence of wrongdoing - and then goes and gossips about the same to everyone else at the church, seemingly oblivious to her own history of sin and wrongdoing for which she has no account.

Am I right?

And let's all be honest, here, nobody likes that woman.

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I agree with you point...especially the part of shaming the alleged as well...But let's be clear. I'm not shaming the victims. Shaming would be saying they deserved to get raped because of how they dressed or what they drank or where the were or who they went home with. That is shaming. I don't care what these girls had on or drank. I think they made a decision to have consensual relations with these football players and I've not seen one speck of evidence that they did not. If they had sex with these guys...good for her. if they had sex with a few of them...who are we to judge. I only have the problem with the lying about it and ruining young men's lives. That's all.

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Thanks for the clarification. I was just taking off on another tangent, because I get frustrated when someone tries to stifle debate by utilizing the "let's not shame the victims" bull crap.

The fact usually is that two people have had sex. Just because a person makes an allegation of sexual assault does not make that person a "victim"; it just makes them an "accuser". It follows that a complaint of sexual assault doesn't make one an "offender"; it merely makes them the "accused." So, if we're going to have a dialog based on a story where the only fact that can be corroborated is that there was sexual contact between two individuals, then once you shame one party, whether it be the accuser or the accused, the other is fair game for the sake of discussion.

And yes, how someone dresses certainly should be part of that discussion. If I have my bib on and a pair expandable trousers, one could draw a reasonable conclusion that I intend to go out to eat. Now, that doesn't mean that I deserve to have a stomach ache just because I went out to eat, but when the question is whether I consented to going out to eat, the fact that I have a bib and expandable trousers on at least provides a little evidence one way or the other where there otherwise is none.

But, I realize that is not politically or morally correct for this time period, but whoever confused something being politically correct with common sense? Emotion is valued far greater than reason in today's society.

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I really don't think Gust wishes debate any more than milli. Gust is a "hey look at me" And if you disagree then you are stupid. Milli is a "hey look at you" you don't agree with me and are stupid. I agree that Gust believes a general group is stupid and with Milli it is personal and direct to an individual. I have both on ignore.

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Absolutely, Gust has no interest in debate. Neither does Thee. They are both hoping they will see something if they sit in their lawn chairs with a view of the railroad crossing. They do it in different ways, but it's the same affectation. I think they are both somewhat irritating on the forum, but not particularly mean-spirited.

Milli is one of the very few I have on ignore. I made the mistake (as it seems is always the case when I take leave of my senses and open a post of his) of opening his post and reading it because it came during what had been a very civilized discussion with almost no animosity and even some comments to that effect. What I found would have been shocking if it had come from just about any other regular poster here. It was so ugly that I flagged it and then copied it. There can be no defense of it. Obviously the mods agreed, as it was removed. But, lo and behold, that wasn't enough for Milli. He had to come back and replace it in the same spot, replying to the same poster, with a slightly less venomous, but nevertheless still grotesque attack on the poster. Then when I called him out on it, had the chutzpah to go and edit the post and start making claims that he was simply telling the truth.

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Call or imply every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... crickets

Mock the guy who calls or implies every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... now we have a problem

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If all milli did was mock one guy, it would still be a violation of the site's TOS, but he or she is toxic across virtual all posts and threads. You should not be making excuses for that.

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The TOS of this website pale in comparison next to the lack of decency in implying every alleged sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying *****.

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"But look what he did!" is a poor excuse. A defense of milli is not a hill worth dying on,.

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Milli can fend for himself just fine. That is not my point.

I have a problem that people get worked up over him, yet shaming alleged victims does not move the needle.

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Exactly. Their silence speaks volumes.

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You're right. The BOFR and those in admin have been silent.

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Which is code for they should not have dumped Briles.


You are naive if you expect businessmen to comment on matters pending ligation. I get that. What annoys me is that the BOR actions negate their playing the Christian Mission card. They are running Baylor as a business. Christian leaders speak out for what they believe. They admit mistakes. They heal. If any Christian leaders exist on the Baylor BOR, then they are letting others stop them from acting like a Christian leader. That is my opinion.

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2 problems with your response: that was not code for dumping Briles and there are no Christians on the BOFR, at least ones bearing fruit.

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You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.

Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?

Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?

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Can you please take this up in a PM? It seems more personal in nature and isn't really aligned with the title of the thread.

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Call or imply every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... crickets

Mock the guy who calls or implies every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... now we have a problem

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If all milli did was mock one guy, it would still be a violation of the site's TOS, but he or she is toxic across virtual all posts and threads. You should not be making excuses for that.

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The TOS of this website pale in comparison next to the lack of decency in implying every alleged sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying *****.

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"But look what he did!" is a poor excuse. A defense of milli is not a hill worth dying on,.

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Milli can fend for himself just fine. That is not my point.

I have a problem that people get worked up over him, yet shaming alleged victims does not move the needle.

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Exactly. Their silence speaks volumes.

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You're right. The BOFR and those in admin have been silent.

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Which is code for they should not have dumped Briles.


You are naive if you expect businessmen to comment on matters pending ligation. I get that. What annoys me is that the BOR actions negate their playing the Christian Mission card. They are running Baylor as a business. Christian leaders speak out for what they believe. They admit mistakes. They heal. If any Christian leaders exist on the Baylor BOR, then they are letting others stop them from acting like a Christian leader. That is my opinion.

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2 problems with your response: that was not code for dumping Briles and there are no Christians on the BOFR, at least ones bearing fruit.

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Thanks for clarifying the first. I think we are in agreement on the second.

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Great thread. Many that love to beat up the site owners about premium posters and board conformity to a message, can't handle a high volume poster critical of their point of view.

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There is a difference between being critical of a point of view and being toxic. I am confident that you actually know this.

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Milli drives people away from the free board. Probably in the same amount as Gust. The question of toxic is toxic to whom?

Gust and milli are toxic the the free board. The site is probably losing freeboard traffic. Are the site owbers gaining or losing premium board traffic? I don't think that is a simple answer.

All of us but setshot and PaleRider tick people off and cause some to post more and some to post less. I am pretty clear in my opinion of Robe/Bearwitness/BearackObama being toxic to Baylor in their agenda. Not sure that those three have much opposition here except Me, Keyser, Xiked, and now I guess milli. Not sure that increases or decreases posting or premium memberships in any dramatic fashion.

So, what part of toxic are you really debating? Toxic to the football freeboard. Toxic to premium membership. Toxic Baylor. Toxic to you expressing your opinion on a matter. I think those are all separate issues.

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The "what" he is toxic to is the kind of decent discussion that actually takes place where he is not present. You should sign up for the premium board when they run a dollar special to see the difference a little moderation and the absence of certain posters makes in the level of discussion. On baylorfans.com, everything was in the same place and you had to wade through everything to find the good stuff. Here, the concentration of toxic trash is very high on the free side and quite low on the premium side, and most of the good stuff (ftblbob etc.) is on the premium side. Mili is a prime purveyor of said toxic trash and that is why he/she has earned what is currently the one slot on my ignore list, which I renew when it expires each day as it reminds me of the good decision I made to have him/her on there in the first place! The volume is so high that it isn't like he peed in the pool (as one might say WAC/Gust does), it's like he drained the water and pumped in raw sewage.

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Call or imply every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... crickets

Mock the guy who calls or implies every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... now we have a problem

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If all milli did was mock one guy, it would still be a violation of the site's TOS, but he or she is toxic across virtual all posts and threads. You should not be making excuses for that.

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The TOS of this website pale in comparison next to the lack of decency in implying every alleged sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying *****.

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"But look what he did!" is a poor excuse. A defense of milli is not a hill worth dying on,.

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Milli can fend for himself just fine. That is not my point.

I have a problem that people get worked up over him, yet shaming alleged victims does not move the needle.

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Exactly. Their silence speaks volumes.

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You're right. The BOFR and those in admin have been silent.

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Which is code for they should not have dumped Briles.


You are naive if you expect businessmen to comment on matters pending ligation. They are running Baylor as a business.

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Wrong. Most well run businesses don't alienate half of their customer base (supporters and donors) . Next, our "board of directors" has no accountability when the poor decisions result in hundreds of $millions in losses, as well as damaging the reputation of the company.

Baylor should be run more like a business with Christian principles,- not by a handful of fire and brimstone religious zealots that impose their will upon the rest, who are just a bunch of potted plants that bring no value or guidance whatsoever to our school.

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Call or imply every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... crickets

Mock the guy who calls or implies every sexual assault victim is a money grubbing lying ***** ..... now we have a problem

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Utter nonsense. You are now defending the indefensible simply because his agenda lines up with yours. I guess the end justifies the means. We probably shouldn't be surprised you're buddies with the BOR.

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Wow. An internet poster that posts a lot (largely gifs) is indefensible. But to most of this board rape is best not acknowledged or questioned on all fronts. Don't accuse unless you have evidence to convict. Don't sue unless you pressed charges. If you did press charges/see a conviction/later sue then you are a money grubbing *****. That is sadly an accurate compilation of the vocal majority of this board.

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Yes, everyone is complaining about Milli's gifs. Nailed it.

Most of this board? Are you kidding? I know of only one poster who claims they're all lying and that's Robemcdo. He's a friend of Ian's and I think he genuinely believes that. While I don't agree with his position, he expresses it with civility, so I don't have a problem with it. Is he not allowed to have that opinion? Are we going to start deciding what viewpoints can and can't be expressed here? Who's going to decide?

The complaints have nothing to do with the viewpoint, and everything to do with the way it's expressed. The last time I actually read Milli's posts (granted, it's been a while), he basically spewed venomous hatred at anyone and anything that might call into question the judgment of his regent daddy (or perhaps grandfather). Huge difference.

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Great thread. Many that love to beat up the site owners about premium posters and board conformity to a message, can't handle a high volume poster critical of their point of view.

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There is a difference between being critical of a point of view and being toxic. I am confident that you actually know this.

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Milli drives people away from the free board. Probably in the same amount as Gust. The question of toxic is toxic to whom?

Gust and milli are toxic the the free board. The site is probably losing freeboard traffic. Are the site owbers gaining or losing premium board traffic? I don't think that is a simple answer.

All of us but setshot and PaleRider tick people off and cause some to post more and some to post less. I am pretty clear in my opinion of Robe/Bearwitness/BearackObama being toxic to Baylor in their agenda. Not sure that those three have much opposition here except Me, Keyser, Xiked, and now I guess milli. Not sure that increases or decreases posting or premium memberships in any dramatic fashion.

So, what part of toxic are you really debating? Toxic to the football freeboard. Toxic to premium membership. Toxic Baylor. Toxic to you expressing your opinion on a matter. I think those are all separate issues.

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The "what" he is toxic to is the kind of decent discussion that actually takes place where he is not present. You should sign up for the premium board when they run a dollar special to see the difference a little moderation and the absence of certain posters makes in the level of discussion. On baylorfans.com, everything was in the same place and you had to wade through everything to find the good stuff. Here, the concentration of toxic trash is very high on the free side and quite low on the premium side, and most of the good stuff (ftblbob etc.) is on the premium side. Mili is a prime purveyor of said toxic trash and that is why he/she has earned what is currently the one slot on my ignore list, which I renew when it expires each day as it reminds me of the good decision I made to have him/her on there in the first place! The volume is so high that it isn't like he peed in the pool (as one might say WAC/Gust does), it's like he drained the water and pumped in raw sewage.

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I was premium 247 for two years. I know how the premium side of the board is moderated. I wouldn't pay $1 to know football recruiting information sooner or inside recruiting or game - coaching news. I am moderately interested because it is Baylor. I liked reading jkbtjc53 on 247. Basketball I do love. I miss most of setshot and all comments from Clavine (and I didn't always agree with Clavine). I don't always agree with the conventional wisdom on Drew's recruiting and gamecoaching. There are about a half-dozen posters there that cannot fathom that. I respect Ashley and Brian too much to join that side just to constantly clash with a few guys that think I can't have an opinion. You know by now that I will not remain mute to that. I don't respect Ashley and Brian enough to pay them $120 a year to not use their product.

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.

Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?

Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?

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Can you please take this up in a PM? It seems more personal in nature and isn't really aligned with the title of the thread.

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You must be new around here.

Back to the whole Sam U. question:
What is the timeline for a decision on his case?

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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Yet I do have to tolerate Gust's tripe on his threads on MBB and his posts on other people's MBB posts. I don't remember ever seeing milli on the MBB board.

My point isn't to defend milli ' s post that was removed by moderators. I did not see it. I accept that it was offensive. I accept that it could be a clear TOS reason for a permaban. But what you just posted about Milli being everywhere is not true. What dungeon just posted is also an exageration. He has read a milli post in a month. I have seen quite a few that were quoted. I even quoted a random one when somebody complained about people quoting him/her. My sample in not representative. At least I will admit that.

Why don't we ask the mods to change milli ' s username to jersey. Then Gust can be right for a change and milli can experience true Texan ridicule.

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Back to the whole Sam U. question:
What is the timeline for a decision on his case?

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Well the county court docket is tied up with the biker trials or so I have been told be one one the leading appellate analysts here ... so who knows

I give Ashley $119 a year and only give Ethridge $1.

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Back to the whole Sam U. question:
What is the timeline for a decision on his case?

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According to sam decision should be in next 2 months

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Back to the whole Sam U. question:
What is the timeline for a decision on his case?

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Beginning this week, it could be any day now

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Well the county court docket is tied up with the biker trials or so I have been told be one one the leading appellate analysts here ... so who knows

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This is being decided down in Austin with the Court of Criminal Appeals

The case was supposed to be set for submission today (Jan 24), meaning that a decision on the State's appeal of the reversal could come at any time after today. Oral arguments on the State's appeal were originally to take place on Feb 9, but the appeals court ruled oral arguments on the State's appeal were not necessary to render a decision.

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Back to the whole Sam U. question:
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Well the county court docket is tied up with the biker trials or so I have been told be one one the leading appellate analysts here ... so who knows

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This is being decided down in Austin with the Court of Criminal Appeals

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Yep. But don't take away my little sliver of fun.

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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Yet I do have to tolerate Gust's tripe on his threads on MBB and his posts on other people's MBB posts. I don't remember ever seeing milli on the MBB board.

My point isn't to defend milli ' s post that was removed by moderators. I did not see it. I accept that it was offensive. I accept that it could be a clear TOS reason for a permaban. But what you just posted about Milli being everywhere is not true. What dungeon just posted is also an exageration. He has read a milli post in a month. I have seen quite a few that were quoted. I even quoted a random one when somebody complained about people quoting him/her. My sample in not representative. At least I will admit that.

Why don't we ask the mods to change milli ' s username to jersey. Then Gust can be right for a change and milli can experience true Texan ridicule.

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I'm sorry but if you don't see this you either don't spend enough time on this site (which from the looks of things is highly unlikely) or just willfully blind. There is a reason that he is the only poster on this site that has been the subject of banning by multiple posters on here.

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I really don't think Gust wishes debate any more than milli. Gust is a "hey look at me" And if you disagree then you are stupid. Milli is a "hey look at you" you don't agree with me and are stupid. I agree that Gust believes a general group is stupid and with Milli it is personal and direct to an individual. I have both on ignore.

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Absolutely, Gust has no interest in debate. Neither does Thee. They are both hoping they will see something if they sit in their lawn chairs with a view of the railroad crossing. They do it in different ways, but it's the same affectation. I think they are both somewhat irritating on the forum, but not particularly mean-spirited.

Milli is one of the very few I have on ignore. I made the mistake (as it seems is always the case when I take leave of my senses and open a post of his) of opening his post and reading it because it came during what had been a very civilized discussion with almost no animosity and even some comments to that effect. What I found would have been shocking if it had come from just about any other regular poster here. It was so ugly that I flagged it and then copied it. There can be no defense of it. Obviously the mods agreed, as it was removed. But, lo and behold, that wasn't enough for Milli. He had to come back and replace it in the same spot, replying to the same poster, with a slightly less venomous, but nevertheless still grotesque attack on the poster. Then when I called him out on it, had the chutzpah to go and edit the post and start making claims that he was simply telling the truth.

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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Yet I do have to tolerate Gust's tripe on his threads on MBB and his posts on other people's MBB posts. I don't remember ever seeing milli on the MBB board.

My point isn't to defend milli ' s post that was removed by moderators. I did not see it. I accept that it was offensive. I accept that it could be a clear TOS reason for a permaban. But what you just posted about Milli being everywhere is not true. What dungeon just posted is also an exageration. He has read a milli post in a month. I have seen quite a few that were quoted. I even quoted a random one when somebody complained about people quoting him/her. My sample in not representative. At least I will admit that.

Why don't we ask the mods to change milli ' s username to jersey. Then Gust can be right for a change and milli can experience true Texan ridicule.

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I'm sorry but if you don't see this you either don't spend enough time on this site (which from the looks of things is highly unlikely) or just willfully blind. There is a reason that he is the only poster on this site that has been the subject of banning by multiple posters on here.

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What a lovely fiction, you torment yourself by getting frazzled by an internet poster and then you attempt to project that unhinged lunacy as universal.

Rinse and repeat, I'm sure it will really help your cause.

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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Actually, it's typically you snowflakes that start threads about Milli or bring him up without provocation and then flip out when you're mocked for it.

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"17 women who reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 players, including four gang rapes, since 2011."

The fact that you are clueless what was actually said is telling, but no surprise

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Thanks.

It would be good if we knew how many incidents occurred. Does gang rape count as multiple sexual assaults?

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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Yet I do have to tolerate Gust's tripe on his threads on MBB and his posts on other people's MBB posts. I don't remember ever seeing milli on the MBB board.

My point isn't to defend milli ' s post that was removed by moderators. I did not see it. I accept that it was offensive. I accept that it could be a clear TOS reason for a permaban. But what you just posted about Milli being everywhere is not true. What dungeon just posted is also an exageration. He has read a milli post in a month. I have seen quite a few that were quoted. I even quoted a random one when somebody complained about people quoting him/her. My sample in not representative. At least I will admit that.

Why don't we ask the mods to change milli ' s username to jersey. Then Gust can be right for a change and milli can experience true Texan ridicule.

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I'm sorry but if you don't see this you either don't spend enough time on this site (which from the looks of things is highly unlikely) or just willfully blind. There is a reason that he is the only poster on this site that has been the subject of banning by multiple posters on here.

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Pick several threads. I will take him/her off ignore and quote every post for a fair analysis. I have some time to do that tomorrow afternoon. You said milli was everywhere - that is not accurate. Milli is on threads that involve Briles, Title IX issues, the BOR, and probably another topic or two ON THE FREE FOOTBALL BOARD. That is not everywhere. It is on the threads that U am guessing mean the most to you.

57Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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57Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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"17 women who reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 players, including four gang rapes, since 2011."

The fact that you are clueless what was actually said is telling, but no surprise

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Of the 17 who alleged sexual or domestic assaults, how many alleged sexual assaults?

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From various reports I count 10 sexual assaults and four domestic assaults with three unknown.

Agree separating them is better but it is not uncommon to report in that manor.

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Thanks.

It would be good if we knew how many incidents occurred. Does gang rape count as multiple sexual assaults?

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The number of charges had the criminal avenue been followed would have been many more than 10. 10 of 17 alleged victims were SA.

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Robemcdo said:

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Yogi said:

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There shouldn't be shaming of alleged victims.

In fact, there shouldn't be shaming of any alleged person in all of these cases, especially when there is no or specious evidence of any wrongdoing.

The problem most of have with Milli is that he is the shamer. He is that woman you see in the Baptist Church every Wednesday and Sunday who simply doesn't require God because she has the omnipotence to judge everyone regardless if she has any evidence of wrongdoing - and then goes and gossips about the same to everyone else at the church, seemingly oblivious to her own history of sin and wrongdoing for which she has no account.

Am I right?

And let's all be honest, here, nobody likes that woman.

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I agree with you point...especially the part of shaming the alleged as well...But let's be clear. I'm not shaming the victims. Shaming would be saying they deserved to get raped because of how they dressed or what they drank or where the were or who they went home with. That is shaming. I don't care what these girls had on or drank. I think they made a decision to have consensual relations with these football players and I've not seen one speck of evidence that they did not. If they had sex with these guys...good for her. if they had sex with a few of them...who are we to judge. I only have the problem with the lying about it and ruining young men's lives. That's all.

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Thanks for the clarification. I was just taking off on another tangent, because I get frustrated when someone tries to stifle debate by utilizing the "let's not shame the victims" bull crap.

The fact usually is that two people have had sex. Just because a person makes an allegation of sexual assault does not make that person a "victim"; it just makes them an "accuser". It follows that a complaint of sexual assault doesn't make one an "offender"; it merely makes them the "accused." So, if we're going to have a dialog based on a story where the only fact that can be corroborated is that there was sexual contact between two individuals, then once you shame one party, whether it be the accuser or the accused, the other is fair game for the sake of discussion.

And yes, how someone dresses certainly should be part of that discussion. If I have my bib on and a pair expandable trousers, one could draw a reasonable conclusion that I intend to go out to eat. Now, that doesn't mean that I deserve to have a stomach ache just because I went out to eat, but when the question is whether I consented to going out to eat, the fact that I have a bib and expandable trousers on at least provides a little evidence one way or the other where there otherwise is none.

But, I realize that is not politically or morally correct for this time period, but whoever confused something being politically correct with common sense? Emotion is valued far greater than reason in today's society.

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Emotion captivates us all.
https://instagr.am/p/BU4fcYFhXQ8

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ColomboLQ said:

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NoBSU said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Malbec said:

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There is a canyon of difference between the type of posting in which Gust and Milli engage. Gust is a playful Troll who delights in farcical poking of a segment of the forum. He doesn't exercise hateful personal attacks to get his jollies. Though some of Gust's threads are meant to elicit a certain reaction, they are nonetheless topical and often create some worthwhile discussion if given the chance. Often, they are just silly and nonsensical.

Milli, on the other hand, has a completely reverse persona. He is intent on tracking and insulting posters. His comments are deeply personal in nature and full of degradation. He employs the technique of pummeling his adversary with unyielding personal attacks because he doesn't have the patience, nor the aptitude for debate. So...:Please don't make me lick the white dog **** Mr. Gardoki.

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And on top of that, Gust usually keeps himself to his own threads. Milli injects himself with his hate into absolutely anything and everything.

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Yet I do have to tolerate Gust's tripe on his threads on MBB and his posts on other people's MBB posts. I don't remember ever seeing milli on the MBB board.

My point isn't to defend milli ' s post that was removed by moderators. I did not see it. I accept that it was offensive. I accept that it could be a clear TOS reason for a permaban. But what you just posted about Milli being everywhere is not true. What dungeon just posted is also an exageration. He has read a milli post in a month. I have seen quite a few that were quoted. I even quoted a random one when somebody complained about people quoting him/her. My sample in not representative. At least I will admit that.

Why don't we ask the mods to change milli ' s username to jersey. Then Gust can be right for a change and milli can experience true Texan ridicule.

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I'm sorry but if you don't see this you either don't spend enough time on this site (which from the looks of things is highly unlikely) or just willfully blind. There is a reason that he is the only poster on this site that has been the subject of banning by multiple posters on here.

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Pick several threads. I will take him/her off ignore and quote every post for a fair analysis. I have some time to do that tomorrow afternoon. You said milli was everywhere - that is not accurate. Milli is on threads that involve Briles, Title IX issues, the BOR, and probably another topic or two ON THE FREE FOOTBALL BOARD. That is not everywhere. It is on the threads that U am guessing mean the most to you.

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What's additionally amusing is this poster has started multiple threads about me or derailed several threads to talk about me that I had not previously posted in and then clutched his pearls when he summons me.

Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:

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Yogi said:

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Robemcdo said:

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Yogi said:

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There shouldn't be shaming of alleged victims.

In fact, there shouldn't be shaming of any alleged person in all of these cases, especially when there is no or specious evidence of any wrongdoing.

The problem most of have with Milli is that he is the shamer. He is that woman you see in the Baptist Church every Wednesday and Sunday who simply doesn't require God because she has the omnipotence to judge everyone regardless if she has any evidence of wrongdoing - and then goes and gossips about the same to everyone else at the church, seemingly oblivious to her own history of sin and wrongdoing for which she has no account.

Am I right?

And let's all be honest, here, nobody likes that woman.

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I agree with you point...especially the part of shaming the alleged as well...But let's be clear. I'm not shaming the victims. Shaming would be saying they deserved to get raped because of how they dressed or what they drank or where the were or who they went home with. That is shaming. I don't care what these girls had on or drank. I think they made a decision to have consensual relations with these football players and I've not seen one speck of evidence that they did not. If they had sex with these guys...good for her. if they had sex with a few of them...who are we to judge. I only have the problem with the lying about it and ruining young men's lives. That's all.

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Thanks for the clarification. I was just taking off on another tangent, because I get frustrated when someone tries to stifle debate by utilizing the "let's not shame the victims" bull crap.

The fact usually is that two people have had sex. Just because a person makes an allegation of sexual assault does not make that person a "victim"; it just makes them an "accuser". It follows that a complaint of sexual assault doesn't make one an "offender"; it merely makes them the "accused." So, if we're going to have a dialog based on a story where the only fact that can be corroborated is that there was sexual contact between two individuals, then once you shame one party, whether it be the accuser or the accused, the other is fair game for the sake of discussion.

And yes, how someone dresses certainly should be part of that discussion. If I have my bib on and a pair expandable trousers, one could draw a reasonable conclusion that I intend to go out to eat. Now, that doesn't mean that I deserve to have a stomach ache just because I went out to eat, but when the question is whether I consented to going out to eat, the fact that I have a bib and expandable trousers on at least provides a little evidence one way or the other where there otherwise is none.

But, I realize that is not politically or morally correct for this time period, but whoever confused something being politically correct with common sense? Emotion is valued far greater than reason in today's society.

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Emotion captivates us all.
https://instagr.am/p/BU4fcYFhXQ8

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How soon can we get clowns like this off our board?

TV55 said:

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How soon can we get clowns like this off our board?

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Give them a free Gut Pack every day. They won't be able to resist the free food, and eventually it will take them out.

Malbec said:

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TV55 said:

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How soon can we get clowns like this off our board?

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Give them a free Gut Pack every day. They won't be able to resist the free food, and eventually it will take them out.

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You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone that will resist free Gut Paks.