Chuckroast said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

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It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

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The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

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Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

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You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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But the bullseye on Baylor's back goes way beyond the Big 12 and whatever bridges we may have burned with our member institutions.

The news media, largely a reflection of our culture, loves to run stories dealing with potential hypocrisy within Christian institutions.

They were all over the Dave Bliss scandal and still talk about it today. In light of our newfound status as big kid on the block in football, They wholeheartedly swallowed the narrative that Christian institution, Baylor U, was willing to tolerate any degree of misconduct to win with the implication being we were only good because we were willing to stoop to low levels.

Baylor never played individuals under investigation while Florida State rides its star QB to a national championship. Ever wonder why Florida St largely got a pass not only for its player's alleged conduct, but more importantly, for playing him while the incident was under investigation.

I don't doubt that money/jealousy may play a part, but hypocrisy within a Christian university that is suddenly good in football sells because our culture likes to see Christians brought down a peg or two.

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I agree that factions within our society are moving away from Christian values as a whole. And I agree certain factions within that enjoy seeing Christian institutions and people associated with Christian values "knocked down a peg or two." I hear what you saying there.

However, I disagree that is the overwhelming issue with our scandal. We can navagate that stuff relatively easy. There was more hate bc we didn't handle ourselves well and acted like "new money" with our new winning ways. When I talk to people in Big Ten country or ACC country they love to tease about our 2 BCS bowl game losses, not anything to do with us being Christian based University, but bc they looked as us as arrogant donkeys and frauds on the field. People inside Baylor are more concerned about the religious affiliation of Baylor than outside. I talk to some people that don't even realize we are religious affiliated school, they think medical field when "Baylor" name mentioned. Friends of mine moved from South Carolina had no clue either. Another friend from Cali knew it was religious but not particularly Baptist.

The religious affiliation is not a huge thing to the outside world especially to college football. Externally, it is about making money and being a good business partner. Internally, it is about having our ducks in a row and being ready for when the heat comes because we are winning.That is where I do blame the BOR. They didn't prepare us to be a big time winning D1 P5 program. They turned the power over to Starr, Briles, Ian and let them run amok. It is the BOR job to pay attention to the road up ahead. Starr, Ian, Briles were too selfish and too arrogant to understand the road up ahead.

TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

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It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

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The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

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Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

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You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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Post of the week!

Jackwagons? I learned a new one today.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

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It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

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The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

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Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

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You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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Baylor is NEVER making the playoff with a single loss. Never. You wanna say it with me? NEVER.

Going undefeated with a soft schedule is the only way. TCU scheduled Minnesota the same year that Ohio St jumped both Big 12 teams into the playoff. Their schedule could have gotten them in. You don't want to agree about all this? Fine. You're wrong and I'm not changing my mind. That you can't see how the whole college scheme plays out is insulting to your Baylor degree.

Bad business. LOL. Baylor made 5 straight bowl games before "embarrassing" Bowlsby. The anti-Baylor/indifference toward Baylor sentiment existed long before ANYBODY in any fashion gave them cause to go after the school/program. Are this many Baylor fans that naive?

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Amen!

BarleyMcDougal said:

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

---

It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

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The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

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Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

---

You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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Baylor is NEVER making the playoff with a single loss. Never. You wanna say it with me? NEVER.

Going undefeated with a soft schedule is the only way. TCU scheduled Minnesota the same year that Ohio St jumped both Big 12 teams into the playoff. Their schedule could have gotten them in. You don't want to agree about all this? Fine. You're wrong and I'm not changing my mind. That you can't see how the whole college scheme plays out is insulting to your Baylor degree.

Bad business. LOL. Baylor made 5 straight bowl games before "embarrassing" Bowlsby. The anti-Baylor/indifference toward Baylor sentiment existed long before ANYBODY in any fashion gave them cause to go after the school/program. Are this many Baylor fans that naive?

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Sorry, this is the thinking of a G5 member not a P5 member. Exactly the reason the college football world teased Ian/Briles about their scheduling.

I see this interesting dichotomy of self image among the Baylor fan base. I think it is what makes the Briles gulf deeper and worst. The reality is if you want to be treated like a big time D1 P5 program then you gotta act like a big time D1 P5 program. We built a nice stadium and couple other nice buildings but that's about it previously. Think we finally learning what that really means and headed in right direction now.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TheDom said:

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Chuckroast said:

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

---

It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

---

The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

---

Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

---

Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

---

You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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But the bullseye on Baylor's back goes way beyond the Big 12 and whatever bridges we may have burned with our member institutions.

The news media, largely a reflection of our culture, loves to run stories dealing with potential hypocrisy within Christian institutions.

They were all over the Dave Bliss scandal and still talk about it today. In light of our newfound status as big kid on the block in football, They wholeheartedly swallowed the narrative that Christian institution, Baylor U, was willing to tolerate any degree of misconduct to win with the implication being we were only good because we were willing to stoop to low levels.

Baylor never played individuals under investigation while Florida State rides its star QB to a national championship. Ever wonder why Florida St largely got a pass not only for its player's alleged conduct, but more importantly, for playing him while the incident was under investigation.

I don't doubt that money/jealousy may play a part, but hypocrisy within a Christian university that is suddenly good in football sells because our culture likes to see Christians brought down a peg or two.

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I agree that factions within our society are moving away from Christian values as a whole. And I agree certain factions within that enjoy seeing Christian institutions and people associated with Christian values "knocked down a peg or two." I hear what you saying there.

However, I disagree that is the overwhelming issue with our scandal. We can navagate that stuff relatively easy. There was more hate bc we didn't handle ourselves well and acted like "new money" with our new winning ways. When I talk to people in Big Ten country or ACC country they love to tease about our 2 BCS bowl game losses, not anything to do with us being Christian based University, but bc they looked as us as arrogant donkeys and frauds on the field. People inside Baylor are more concerned about the religious affiliation of Baylor than outside. I talk to some people that don't even realize we are religious affiliated school, they think medical field when "Baylor" name mentioned. Friends of mine moved from South Carolina had no clue either. Another friend from Cali knew it was religious but not particularly Baptist.

The religious affiliation is not a huge thing to the outside world especially to college football. Externally, it is about making money and being a good business partner. Internally, it is about having our ducks in a row and being ready for when the heat comes because we are winning.That is where I do blame the BOR. They didn't prepare us to be a big time winning D1 P5 program. They turned the power over to Starr, Briles, Ian and let them run amok. It is the BOR job to pay attention to the road up ahead. Starr, Ian, Briles were too selfish and too arrogant to understand the road up ahead.

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When UT and the PAC were making eyes at one another, some in Austin were pushing to get BU tagging along. The PAC wanted none of it. It had nothing to do with business or scheduling and everything to do with Christian values.

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I hear you, there are those atheists on either coast. I agree culturally we fit better in the South and Midwest. Definitely not west coast. Seeing the 2016 presidential election for the country broken down by county is quite fascinating.

But remember, in the end PAC12 didn't want UT either bc of network, control, and money. So it mostly about business.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

---

It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

---

The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

---

Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

---

You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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Baylor is NEVER making the playoff with a single loss. Never. You wanna say it with me? NEVER.

Going undefeated with a soft schedule is the only way. TCU scheduled Minnesota the same year that Ohio St jumped both Big 12 teams into the playoff. Their schedule could have gotten them in. You don't want to agree about all this? Fine. You're wrong and I'm not changing my mind. That you can't see how the whole college scheme plays out is insulting to your Baylor degree.

Bad business. LOL. Baylor made 5 straight bowl games before "embarrassing" Bowlsby. The anti-Baylor/indifference toward Baylor sentiment existed long before ANYBODY in any fashion gave them cause to go after the school/program. Are this many Baylor fans that naive?

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Sorry, this is the thinking of a G5 member not a P5 member. Exactly the reason the college football world teased Ian/Briles about their scheduling.

I see this interesting dichotomy of self image among the Baylor fan base. I think it is what makes the Briles gulf deeper and worst. The reality is if you want to be treated like a big time D1 P5 program then you gotta act like a big time D1 P5 program. We built a nice stadium and couple other nice buildings but that's about it previously. Think we finally learning what that really means and headed in right direction now.

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Some things are just written in stone. The money is too much. Baylor isn't getting to the top without cutting corners. And even then I'm not sure that the powers that be wouldn't collude to stop it.

The religious antagonism is just an easy way of attacking Baylor.

Remember the cliche that sounded from every corner of the blue blood world?

"Baylor can't win without cheating." Here's the thing, they're probably right. But ya know what? UT doesn't win without cheating, nor does BAMA, Aggy, Clemson, Stanford, Boise St., etc., etc., etc. EVERYBODY cheats. EVERYBODY.

Is anyone paying attention the Adidas scandal? I mean one of their reps was getting players for Self and KU. Ya think there's a guy at Nike who's in the ear of Tom Herman right now? I do. I know there is. That's just a taste of what college athletics is about now. You think Nike wants Baylor winning it all?

Whos's gonna sell more shoes? Who's the NCAA gonna market to sponsors? I mean c'mon.

I hear ya, I just disagree with you. It's not about taking short cuts. We need to get good and stay good for long period of time. Build one step to the next.

As much as I hate to admit, we need to do like Fat Pat has done with TCU. It has taken 15 years but current college football world respects them when they get good. It was "quality" win for Ohio State early in year. You can't tell me 12-1 TCU gets left out of playoff just bc of bias. Herbstreit loves him some TCU. And why? Because they won big. They won their NY6 Bowl games.

And Baylor is more set up for success than TCU in many ways. So I know we can't climb the mountain. Not saying it is easy by any means and it takes longer but the best part about Mack and Rhule is when we start winning again, and we will win again with them, we will portray the right image to gain favor to then go to next level.

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Remember the cliche that sounded from every corner of the blue blood world?

"Baylor can't win without cheating." Here's the thing, they're probably right. But ya know what? UT doesn't win without cheating, nor does BAMA, Aggy, Clemson, Stanford, Boise St., etc., etc., etc. EVERYBODY cheats. EVERYBODY.

Is anyone paying attention the Adidas scandal? I mean one of their reps was getting players for Self and KU. Ya think there's a guy at Nike who's in the ear of Tom Herman right now? I do. I know there is. That's just a taste of what college athletics is about now. You think Nike wants Baylor winning it all?

Whos's gonna sell more shoes? Who's the NCAA gonna market to sponsors? I mean c'mon.

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So let me ask you... why did Baylor have the premiere spot, front and center as you walked into Rally House at the Galleria in Dallas from 2014-2016?

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Briles should not engage in anything other than a courtesy taking of the call from Ian on this. This is not the place where Briles can make a comeback.

Again Freeze despite his having hookers on speed dial, is a big time fundamentalist and as per footballscoop is the heavy favorite among the Liberty folks. He is the fit for this and this and it would also be his last job in the coaching business if he took it.

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No, if he gets a shot he takes it. He may never get another one. He might not get this one.

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That's an awfully different tune than the one you sung last year and the year before, you swore he was winning natties in the SEC before long.

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Dude, give it a rest.

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Just asking three years of Caberdom to account for itself, when they do they can rest.

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The height of Caberdom, show you asses as anything but Baylor fans.

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Remember the cliche that sounded from every corner of the blue blood world?

"Baylor can't win without cheating." Here's the thing, they're probably right. But ya know what? UT doesn't win without cheating, nor does BAMA, Aggy, Clemson, Stanford, Boise St., etc., etc., etc. EVERYBODY cheats. EVERYBODY.

Is anyone paying attention the Adidas scandal? I mean one of their reps was getting players for Self and KU. Ya think there's a guy at Nike who's in the ear of Tom Herman right now? I do. I know there is. That's just a taste of what college athletics is about now. You think Nike wants Baylor winning it all?

Whos's gonna sell more shoes? Who's the NCAA gonna market to sponsors? I mean c'mon.

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So let me ask you... why did Baylor have the premiere spot, front and center as you walked into Rally House at the Galleria in Dallas from 2014-2016?

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You're using the example of one Texas-located sports apparel shop to make your point?

C'mon man.

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Briles should not engage in anything other than a courtesy taking of the call from Ian on this. This is not the place where Briles can make a comeback.

Again Freeze despite his having hookers on speed dial, is a big time fundamentalist and as per footballscoop is the heavy favorite among the Liberty folks. He is the fit for this and this and it would also be his last job in the coaching business if he took it.

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No, if he gets a shot he takes it. He may never get another one. He might not get this one.

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That's an awfully different tune than the one you sung last year and the year before, you swore he was winning natties in the SEC before long.

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Dude, give it a rest.

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Just asking three years of Caberdom to account for itself, when they do they can rest.

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The height of Caberdom, show you asses as anything but Baylor fans.

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We get it, you're Liberty fans, the highlight of Cab's exile.

Meanwhile Baylor is a bowl team led by Matt Rhule and you're still trolling this board as irrelevant.

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I hear ya, I just disagree with you. It's not about taking short cuts. We need to get good and stay good for long period of time. Build one step to the next.

As much as I hate to admit, we need to do like Fat Pat has done with TCU. It has taken 15 years but current college football world respects them when they get good. It was "quality" win for Ohio State early in year. You can't tell me 12-1 TCU gets left out of playoff just bc of bias. Herbstreit loves him some TCU. And why? Because they won big. They won their NY6 Bowl games.

And Baylor is more set up for success than TCU in many ways. So I know we can't climb the mountain. Not saying it is easy by any means and it takes longer but the best part about Mack and Rhule is when we start winning again, and we will win again with them, we will portray the right image to gain favor to then go to next level.

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ESPN talking heads don't control the goings on of football. I'm talking about the illusion of winning a championship. The mirage in the desert.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Remember the cliche that sounded from every corner of the blue blood world?

"Baylor can't win without cheating." Here's the thing, they're probably right. But ya know what? UT doesn't win without cheating, nor does BAMA, Aggy, Clemson, Stanford, Boise St., etc., etc., etc. EVERYBODY cheats. EVERYBODY.

Is anyone paying attention the Adidas scandal? I mean one of their reps was getting players for Self and KU. Ya think there's a guy at Nike who's in the ear of Tom Herman right now? I do. I know there is. That's just a taste of what college athletics is about now. You think Nike wants Baylor winning it all?

Whos's gonna sell more shoes? Who's the NCAA gonna market to sponsors? I mean c'mon.

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So let me ask you... why did Baylor have the premiere spot, front and center as you walked into Rally House at the Galleria in Dallas from 2014-2016?

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You're using the example of one Texas-located sports apparel shop to make your point?

C'mon man.

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Think it's pretty telling. I actually spoke to the owner about it. His exact words, "Baylor fans spend money." Obviously the brand resonated somewhat.

So why Nike redoing our uniforms next year? Why we Tier 1 status with them?

Why did Art Briles get to 3rd highest paid coach in the country? Why did Mike Gundy mention Baylor specifically regarding coaching salary when hiring of Rhule?

C'mon man, this isn't 1980. The self loathing Baylor fans crack me up.

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Are X and Milli the same person? Doesn't matter. The main thing that matters is that they. and Thee, keep pounding and pounding Briles as much as possible and every chance they get. We need those 3 to stay vigilant, and to never let an opportunity pass to keep pounding.

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That.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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TheDom said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Remember the cliche that sounded from every corner of the blue blood world?

"Baylor can't win without cheating." Here's the thing, they're probably right. But ya know what? UT doesn't win without cheating, nor does BAMA, Aggy, Clemson, Stanford, Boise St., etc., etc., etc. EVERYBODY cheats. EVERYBODY.

Is anyone paying attention the Adidas scandal? I mean one of their reps was getting players for Self and KU. Ya think there's a guy at Nike who's in the ear of Tom Herman right now? I do. I know there is. That's just a taste of what college athletics is about now. You think Nike wants Baylor winning it all?

Whos's gonna sell more shoes? Who's the NCAA gonna market to sponsors? I mean c'mon.

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So let me ask you... why did Baylor have the premiere spot, front and center as you walked into Rally House at the Galleria in Dallas from 2014-2016?

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You're using the example of one Texas-located sports apparel shop to make your point?

C'mon man.

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Think it's pretty telling. I actually spoke to the owner about it. His exact words, "Baylor fans spend money." Obviously the brand resonated somewhat.

So why Nike redoing our uniforms next year? Why we Tier 1 status with them?

Why did Art Briles get to 3rd highest paid coach in the country? Why did Mike Gundy mention Baylor specifically regarding coaching salary when hiring of Rhule?

C'mon man, this isn't 1980. The self loathing Baylor fans crack me up.

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This is literally one of the worst arguments I've ever seen.

Because Baylor fans spend money in a Dallas sports shop...BTW Dallas is where the highest percentage of our alums live...during a time when Baylor was winning that the brand "resonated". Yeah, they were selling out of Baylor merch in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago and Nashville and San Fran.

Tier 1 status? So attaching a tag to our status with Nike means we have the same cachet as LSU and Bama? How about you list all the "Tier 1" schools under Nike?

Briles' salary? Because he had a booster footing a huge part of that???

Trust me, this is certainly not self loathing. These are facts. Is my reasoning somewhat specious? Sure. To that I say, "Wake me up when Baylor is in a National Championship game."

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Baylor is not a target.
Art Briles was a moron post firing and upset the entire college football business world and is too dumb to figure out that after taking the money it was time to go away for a minute.

This ain't TAPPS, no one cares if you worship Satan or St. Peter, it's about making all the parties money. Notre Dame seemed to figure it out decades ago. Art and Ian were two lower level college football business minds. Those two were arrogant enough to believe their schedule was a good idea.
Look at them, Liberty and the Pizza League.

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Absolutely incorrect.

Christianity is a giant target today. And Baylor is as well. That's an incontrovertible fact. You need to wise up to who operates the sports industry.

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It's a fantasy when it comes to college football. Unless you are sheltered, no one sits around and discusses screwing Baylor because they are Christian.
Look who sponsors college football. You really believe the Chicken chain that is closed on Sundays hates Christians?

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The only two comparable institutions to Baylor are BYU and Notre Dame. Both are independent schools. They also have natural protections from the sporting world since they are insulated in certain manners. These two schools make a boatload of money and have religious connections that vastly outweigh Baylor's ties to Baptist theology.

That said, both are still routinely attacked by outside forces, but they carry on without the routine and petty infighting of Baylor because Mormons and Catholics are good at constricting information and controlling narratives. Simply put, they lock it down. Baylor needs to figure it out.

And yes, money is the driving factor, but there are other forces at play.

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Do you all sit around and discuss such nonsense at your tailgate?
No one cares in college sports whether or not a school is religious or not. They only care about making money.
Our brand's biggest issue was the fact we created zero bowl money for 15 years and didn't bother to realize it when we won conference, we became the flagship and carried the conference banner.

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Our bowl profits mean nothing. Scheduling means nothing. Do you sit around at home and discuss this with yourself?

"Stealing" what traditional powers consider as their own and disrupting those money trains is far more important. UT and OU are Pharma. They're Walmart. They're Google. You wanna disrupt the money from them, you gotta pay a price.

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You are off target on this one. It wasn't the fact we won conference over OU & UT it was our athletic department acted like jackwagons while doing it. We acted like a bunch of new money lottery winners. CABers want to tell the "it's bc we disrupted the applecart" narrative because LIKE ALWAYS it deflects the blame off him, Ian, Starr.

The truth is we sucked as a "business partner" with Starr, Ian, Briles leading the ship. Like X said, you can't not add to the pot for 15 years then win conference and stand on a stage and attempt to embarrass the commissioner and conference. Bad for business.

And if you think not making bowls and not scheduling games that reflect well for the conference matter then you really are lost and don't understand how this D1 P5 deal works.

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I'd like to respond, but I can't find anything coherent in your effort to disagree.

Mr. McDougal has stated the obvious. Just look at how the four playoff spots are handled. Politics. Money. Power. Ratings.

A small, semi-conservative Baptist school doesn't fit. And, how dare CAB to call out Bowlsby on the "one true winner," eh Dom?! ...or call out THE COMMITTEE about our one (ref-influenced) loss to wvu, eh Dom?!

The league loathed the fact our idiots didn't follow what the conference wanted and called them out.

People don't know Baylor is Baptist outside of Texas in general. Most modern people don't get into Texas Baptists and their politics or know they don't have a school without the "Baptist" in it. They surely don't suspect it after our latest headlines.

It's like some of you are stuck with old talking points from 1954. What exactly is it about Baylor that is small? It's campus is now about twice the size of Univ of Texas' and its student population is almost half the size of Univ of Texas' undergraduate enrollment.

No buddy, Houston has the largest group of Baylor alumni.

I can see it is hard for you to get out of your old way of thinking and see it for what it is in 2018.

We just disagree. No worries.

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It's like some of you are stuck with old talking points from 1954. What exactly is it about Baylor that is small? It's campus is now about twice the size of Univ of Texas' and its student population is almost half the size of Univ of Texas' undergraduate enrollment.

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Campus size is absolutely irrelevant. Our enrollment numbers are only recently up and we still have a small alumni base compared to peer institutions (and we're still losing ground - thanks UT/TAMU). Baylor still has little to no cachet outside of Texas. Baylor's market tv market size is small.

And, BTW Dom, I'm pretty sure the DFW area has more BU alumni than Houston.

Funny man? I'm honest man. Have some dignity. Get off your knees and be a man!

There's never been any hating on Arthur. I simply pointed out the FACTS - NO defense. NO special teams. NO scheduling. NO discipline. Facts!

The above was multiple years of observations and feedback from UH alumni. Post scandal it has been only to correct you boys in the bubble clinging to that tattered , torn anf feces encrusted robe. Get up I tell you!

Most prominent universities have coaches that care about potential catastrophic damage done to the team, to the teammates and to the student body. Most universities have Ray Donovans to fix things gone awry and to prevent even larger flashes.

Research? I don't care about other schools. I care only about Baylor.

Oh bunation, thought you said you had me on ignore?

You are using the wrong word with "coherent". My statements and arguments are plenty "coherent". The correct word your looking for is "disagree". You disagree with me but I make plenty sound rational.

Just like McDougal saying he is embarrassed about my Baylor degree. Your subtle jabs are fine. They humor me. Just don't get all pissy and acting like Mr. Dad and giving some lecture when I dish it back.

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It's like some of you are stuck with old talking points from 1954. What exactly is it about Baylor that is small? It's campus is now about twice the size of Univ of Texas' and its student population is almost half the size of Univ of Texas' undergraduate enrollment.

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Campus size is absolutely irrelevant. Our enrollment numbers are only recently up and we still have a small alumni base compared to peer institutions (and we're still losing ground - thanks UT/TAMU). Baylor still has little to no cachet outside of Texas. Baylor's market tv market size is small.

And, BTW Dom, I'm pretty sure the DFW area has more BU alumni than Houston.

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Oh now campus size is irrelevant? Everything is irrelevant to you that doesn't support the "just the way it is" talking point. PartyBear is right, ya'll stuck in the past.

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Research? I don't care about other schools. I care only about Baylor.

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Ostrich.

Edit: Stubborn, "ignorance is bliss" ostrich.

That's okay, Mr. Field. You're still one of my all-time favorite Bears!

Merry Christmas.

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Hmmm. Now lets see him put his money where his mouth is


He needs to hire Art to "rehabilitate" him publicly as it were...

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Ian and Art have plenty of money. Most of it is Baylor's money. ILLUMINATE!!

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Yes they do.

Must be nice to have not even earned it! Particularly that pasty-white Canadian. I'm not sure he ever laced up a pair of ice skates with that neck!

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Better to have this neck?

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Hmmm. Now lets see him put his money where his mouth is


He needs to hire Art to "rehabilitate" him publicly as it were...

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Ian and Art have plenty of money. Most of it is Baylor's money. ILLUMINATE!!

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Yes they do.

Must be nice to have not even earned it! Particularly that pasty-white Canadian. I'm not sure he ever laced up a pair of ice skates with that neck!

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Better to have this neck?

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Is that some sort of award being presented to Thee?

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I will never understand the hate some BUfans/posters have for CAB...the desire to punish him and keep punishing him while taking satisfaction in the social media destruction and ruin of his character is actually sickening.

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Sit down with me sometime and I will tell you why.

I don't hate him but I am supremely disappointed in what he allowed to happen to the program.

The damage he and Ian did to our good name continues to play out. He is reaping what he has sown.

He ruined his own character.

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Funny man. You were hating on Briles LONG BEFORE any scandal.

Wise up, Jealous One.

All D1 football head coaches make mistakes with personnel. It is unavoidable. There are thugs hidden in nearly every recruiting class. Fact.

However, most prominent universities had a functioning Title IX function when we did not. Add to that the BoR's scapegoating of the "black football players" and the coaching staff. THOSE FAILINGS resulted in the "damage [done] to our good name...."

Duh.

You won't. But, do a little reading & learn a little before posting ignorant comments (unless you're intentionally hating on the guy..........).

There are published arrests & assaults for every D1 school at arrestnation.com.

Other sites report college & university-wide crime statistics on hundreds of schools (Baylor University isn't even in the top 150....)

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/the-most-arrested-college-football-teams-in-america-081815/

http://arrestnation.com/teamsschools/iowa-state-university/

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Fixers and slush funds and cooperation with sleazy ADs and admins has nothing to do with an implemented Title 9, in fact it was all meant to avoid one.

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Briles should not engage in anything other than a courtesy taking of the call from Ian on this. This is not the place where Briles can make a comeback.

Again Freeze despite his having hookers on speed dial, is a big time fundamentalist and as per footballscoop is the heavy favorite among the Liberty folks. He is the fit for this and this and it would also be his last job in the coaching business if he took it.

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No, if he gets a shot he takes it. He may never get another one. He might not get this one.

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That's an awfully different tune than the one you sung last year and the year before, you swore he was winning natties in the SEC before long.

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Dude, give it a rest.

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Just asking three years of Caberdom to account for itself, when they do they can rest.

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The height of Caberdom, show you asses as anything but Baylor fans.

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We get it, you're Liberty fans, the highlight of Cab's exile.

Meanwhile Baylor is a bowl team led by Matt Rhule and you're still trolling this board as irrelevant.

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CABers realize we lost the Liberty game with Art's players right??