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Welp....Hopson's shelflife just got a lot shorter

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YoakDaddy said:

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xiledinok said:

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Almost 3 years later and the same handful of old Baylorfans posters who "guaranteed" Art would be hired into another college gig the minute the season ended, are still guaranteeing he's gonna be hired any day. Gotta give em an A+ for loyalty! Too funny.

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The robe touchers love Art more than Baylor or anything with class and some remaining dignity.

Party, Boren ran that show. He knew that he had a problem. Stoops stepped away from it. How did it turn out for Stoops and OU? How did it turn out with Briles doing his post firing pr tour?

Now, Stoops has a job because he wasn't dumb like Art.
Art is toxic waste when it comes to coaching in the NFL or colleges.
Like previously posted, the Court of Public opinion has returned a verdict.

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I think for some of us - those with integrity and character - the truth matters more than what the mob has convinced themselves of.

I know you have that mob mentality. You're the guy in the crowd calling for the public lynching without due process.

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I'm the guy that can understand the situation and realize his negotiation tactics post firing and his willingness to damage the school financially were not integrity or high character.

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Neither was selling dildos LOL!

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xiledinok said:

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Mothra said:

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xiledinok said:

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DanaDane said:

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Almost 3 years later and the same handful of old Baylorfans posters who "guaranteed" Art would be hired into another college gig the minute the season ended, are still guaranteeing he's gonna be hired any day. Gotta give em an A+ for loyalty! Too funny.

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The robe touchers love Art more than Baylor or anything with class and some remaining dignity.

Party, Boren ran that show. He knew that he had a problem. Stoops stepped away from it. How did it turn out for Stoops and OU? How did it turn out with Briles doing his post firing pr tour?

Now, Stoops has a job because he wasn't dumb like Art.
Art is toxic waste when it comes to coaching in the NFL or colleges.
Like previously posted, the Court of Public opinion has returned a verdict.

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I think for some of us - those with integrity and character - the truth matters more than what the mob has convinced themselves of.

I know you have that mob mentality. You're the guy in the crowd calling for the public lynching without due process.

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I'm the guy that can understand the situation and realize his negotiation tactics post firing and his willingness to damage the school financially were not integrity or high character.

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xiledinok said:

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The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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There's certainly some truth to this.

If Briles was smart he'd get a PR specialist to help him issue a genuine apology that was sincere and also defended himself. It's not hard to go through a list of generic errors he made from recruiting to disciplining and then come out and say "I'm not a monster like these pseudo-advocates like to think."

That never really happened and if he had done that he'd be hired. For the life of me, I don't know why he didn't/hasn't taken that step.

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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There's certainly some truth to this.

If Briles was smart he'd get a PR specialist to help him issue a genuine apology that was sincere and also defended himself. It's not hard to go through a list of generic errors he made from recruiting to disciplining and then come out and say "I'm not a monster like these pseudo-advocates like to think."

That never really happened and if he had done that he'd be hired. For the life of me, I don't know why he didn't/hasn't taken that step.

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He took all that money and had his staff act out post firing. The tank sold the public on what their reputation was outside our precious bubble.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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There's certainly some truth to this.

If Briles was smart he'd get a PR specialist to help him issue a genuine apology that was sincere and also defended himself. It's not hard to go through a list of generic errors he made from recruiting to disciplining and then come out and say "I'm not a monster like these pseudo-advocates like to think."

That never really happened and if he had done that he'd be hired. For the life of me, I don't know why he didn't/hasn't taken that step.

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He took all that money and had his staff act out post firing. The tank sold the public on what their reputation was outside our precious bubble.

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None of that matters. His reputation as Coach Rape is what's on the line.

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what's worse in social media today? to be a republican trump supporter or to be art briles?

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Waco1947 said:

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Beaneater said:

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what's worse in social media today? to be a republican trump supporter or to be art briles?

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Does it matter? Both were/are leaders of corruption

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xiledinok said:

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Don't lecture me on the Bible. What kinda of people pull that stunt at Rice then have backers embarrass the school by letting a central figure in the locker room?

The NCAA is not TAPPS. They won't ask for forgiveness if they blast away a career at the show cause.

Some of you guys would rather pray for the ball coach's next job than a woman who was hurt by the coaches' gotta win a big one attitude. Briles is not a victim. He's an oversized child with a teenager mindset when busted.

Art needs to try acting like he cares about something other than his career, his family's careers and most importantly money.

The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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Eball said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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I think it would be better for Coach Briles to go pro. If the player screws up, it's on them! College kids need a little more monitoring.

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Agreed for optics. But I hate that this is the way it is. College kids are technically adults and nobody but the student who screws up should be held accountable.

We have long forgot the concept of personal responsibility in this country.

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The notion that a college coach bears no responsibility for the type of people he brings onto campus is utterly absurd. And the subscription to such a notion is one the major reasons Art Briles is currently unemployed and potentially unemployable.

When dealing with 100-plus 18- to 22-year-old men, you're going to have some disciplinary issues to deal with. That's a given. The problem with Briles is he recruited a higher-than-normal number of known character risks with disciplinary issues in their past. It was beyond obvious watching the way our program was run under Briles that he valued one thing in his players: talent. And he would make sacrifices most other coaches wouldn't to acquire it.

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The exact same thing could actually be said for a majority of schools, Oklahoma being at the top of that list in our own conference. If Briles/Bennett hadn't taken some of those kids, you can bet they'd have been in Norman or Austin or Stillwater or College Station. And they'd have gotten in trouble in these places, but you would have never seen it blow up on them.

The media that cover these teams are bought and paid for just like they are in a high number of other college towns. The sins of these schools and their players are whitewashed on a continual basis. Baylor doesn't have the power to manipulate facts like these programs. If you want to do the research, go back and examine how many crimes were committed by the athletes in programs in Norman and Austin and how quickly they were swept away or how little coverage they got.

I'm not saying Baylor/Waco should engage in that kind of overwhelming conspiratorial BS, but it happens and is happening right now in Austin and Norman for sure. Briles earned much of what he got, but let us not act like his actions are different from many, many other coaches out there.

It's no surprise that Baylor "SOMEHOW" got caught up in this PC, METOO era social-justice-warrior sea change. It had as much to with the program's sudden rise to contender as it did with real mistakes that were made.

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I'd buy your first paragraph if there weren't a half-dozen or more guys you could point to in an eight-year stretch that we offered and signed that were either kicked off their previous team or had had virtually everyone else back off their recruitment because of perceived character flaws/disciplinary issues.

You're right that plenty of other coaches step to or across that line on occasion, but there've been few that I can remember who high stepped across it and did a touchdown dance on the other side. Art Briles was one.

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..of course people always judge things in hindsight...I just don't quite understand the whole CAB took to many chances and it bit him in the butt theory...becasue none of these recruitment's were done in secret...his boss and the entire administration was aware...all these so called thugs got admitted by admissions...where were the folks that should have been reigning him in if needed?

As CPB said they the football program dismissed more than most from the team for disciplinary problems...they tried to get more drug testing but were met with resistance from admin and JA.....

The wall that was built between Athletics and JA after Bliss scandal to keep any appearance of impropriety in check caused communication breakdowns and resulted in handcuffing the program to some extent. That was one explanation of the need for internal discipline.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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The Court of Public opinion feels like he's been avoiding manning up.

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There's certainly some truth to this.

If Briles was smart he'd get a PR specialist to help him issue a genuine apology that was sincere and also defended himself. It's not hard to go through a list of generic errors he made from recruiting to disciplining and then come out and say "I'm not a monster like these pseudo-advocates like to think."

That never really happened and if he had done that he'd be hired. For the life of me, I don't know why he didn't/hasn't taken that step.

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xiledinok said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Beaneater said:

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what's worse in social media today? to be a republican trump supporter or to be art briles?

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Does it matter? Both were/are leaders of corruption

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These guys like strong willed narcissists. They live vicariously through those types Monday-Saturday inspiring to be that way.

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Waco1947 said:

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Beaneater said:

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what's worse in social media today? to be a republican trump supporter or to be art briles?

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Does it matter? Both were/are leaders of corruption

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Brian Ethridge said:

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xiledinok said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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xiledinok said:

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Mothra said:

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xiledinok said:

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DanaDane said:

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MAlmost 3 years later and the same handful of old Baylorfans posters who "guaranteed" Art would be hired into another college gig the minute the season ended, are still guaranteeing he's gonna be hired any day. Gotta give em an A+ for loyalty! Too funny.

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The robe touchers love Art more than Baylor or anything with class and some remaining dignity.

Party, Boren ran that show. He knew that he had a problem. Stoops stepped away from it. How did it turn out for Stoops and OU? How did it turn out with Briles doing his post firing pr tour?

Now, Stoops has a job because he wasn't dumb like Art.
Art is toxic waste when it comes to coaching in the NFL or colleges.
Like previously posted, the Court of Public opinion has returned a verdict.

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I think for some of us - those with integrity and character - the truth matters more than what the mob has convinced themselves of.

I know you have that mob mentality. You're the guy in the crowd calling for the public lynching without due process.

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I'm the guy that can understand the situation and realize his negotiation tactics post firing and his willingness to damage the school financially were not integrity or high character.

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Neither was selling dildos LOL!

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No, it wasn't either. A deplorable college football coach and a guy that sales ***** pumps were in the middle to screw Baylor.

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and neither brought lube... selfish

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Reverend said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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xiledinok said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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xiledinok said:

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Mothra said:

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xiledinok said:

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DanaDane said:

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MAlmost 3 years later and the same handful of old Baylorfans posters who "guaranteed" Art would be hired into another college gig the minute the season ended, are still guaranteeing he's gonna be hired any day. Gotta give em an A+ for loyalty! Too funny.

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The robe touchers love Art more than Baylor or anything with class and some remaining dignity.

Party, Boren ran that show. He knew that he had a problem. Stoops stepped away from it. How did it turn out for Stoops and OU? How did it turn out with Briles doing his post firing pr tour?

Now, Stoops has a job because he wasn't dumb like Art.
Art is toxic waste when it comes to coaching in the NFL or colleges.
Like previously posted, the Court of Public opinion has returned a verdict.

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I think for some of us - those with integrity and character - the truth matters more than what the mob has convinced themselves of.

I know you have that mob mentality. You're the guy in the crowd calling for the public lynching without due process.

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I'm the guy that can understand the situation and realize his negotiation tactics post firing and his willingness to damage the school financially were not integrity or high character.

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Neither was selling dildos LOL!

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No, it wasn't either. A deplorable college football coach and a guy that sales ***** pumps were in the middle to screw Baylor.

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and neither brought lube... selfish

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If you were only as witty as you thought you were.....

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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PrideBU said:

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The people who defend Art, still, on here probably sat around the campfire with Clayton Williams and laughed when he said women should just enjoy an imminent rape...

That being said, if Briles launders his name by getting hired, will he finally get that statue next to RG3?

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bear2be2 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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So the 2016 Tom Rinaldi apology interview doesn't count? It's out there and I remember he took 10 kinds of heck for even doing that.

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Saying "Bad things happened" isn't a genuine expression of contrition. It's stating the obvious. And vague apologies with no "for what?" attached generally fall on deaf -- and/or annoyed -- ears, particularly when followed with "I've never done anything immoral in my life."

That interview didn't count for most because it was so lacking in specificity or genuine acknowledgement of what exactly it was he was even apologizing for. And he caught hell because It looked like he was checking off a box in hopes that it would satisfy a requirement for his next employer.

I understand there were legal considerations, and that saying too much could have opened him to liability. But he'd have been better off saying nothing than going on the faux apology tour he did.

If you aren't genuinely contrite, you've got to fake it much better than he did then to gain any sympathy in his situation. And as bad as he was the first time, and as silent as he's been since, I can't see him saying anything now that would change anyone's mind, which is why I think it's waaaaaayyyyyyy too late for PR campaigns.

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bear2be2 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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So the 2016 Tom Rinaldi apology interview doesn't count? It's out there and I remember he took 10 kinds of heck for even doing that.

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Saying "Bad things happened" isn't a genuine expression of contrition. It's stating the obvious. And vague apologies with no "for what?" attached generally fall on deaf -- and/or annoyed -- ears, particularly when followed with "I've never done anything immoral in my life."

That interview didn't count for most because it was so lacking in specificity or genuine acknowledgement of what exactly it was he was even apologizing for. And he caught hell because It looked like he was checking off a box in hopes that it would satisfy a requirement for his next employer.

I understand there were legal considerations, and that saying too much could have opened him to liability. But he'd have been better off saying nothing than going on the faux apology tour he did.

If you aren't genuinely contrite, you've got to fake it much better than he did then to gain any sympathy in his situation. And as bad as he was the first time, and as silent as he's been since, I can't see him saying anything now that would change anyone's mind, which is why I think it's waaaaaayyyyyyy too late for PR campaigns.

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jackets320 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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So the 2016 Tom Rinaldi apology interview doesn't count? It's out there and I remember he took 10 kinds of heck for even doing that.

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Saying "Bad things happened" isn't a genuine expression of contrition. It's stating the obvious. And vague apologies with no "for what?" attached generally fall on deaf -- and/or annoyed -- ears, particularly when followed with "I've never done anything immoral in my life."

That interview didn't count for most because it was so lacking in specificity or genuine acknowledgement of what exactly it was he was even apologizing for. And he caught hell because It looked like he was checking off a box in hopes that it would satisfy a requirement for his next employer.

I understand there were legal considerations, and that saying too much could have opened him to liability. But he'd have been better off saying nothing than going on the faux apology tour he did.

If you aren't genuinely contrite, you've got to fake it much better than he did then to gain any sympathy in his situation. And as bad as he was the first time, and as silent as he's been since, I can't see him saying anything now that would change anyone's mind, which is why I think it's waaaaaayyyyyyy too late for PR campaigns.

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It will never be enough for some of you guys, just admit it.

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oldbear69 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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So the 2016 Tom Rinaldi apology interview doesn't count? It's out there and I remember he took 10 kinds of heck for even doing that.

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Saying "Bad things happened" isn't a genuine expression of contrition. It's stating the obvious. And vague apologies with no "for what?" attached generally fall on deaf -- and/or annoyed -- ears, particularly when followed with "I've never done anything immoral in my life."

That interview didn't count for most because it was so lacking in specificity or genuine acknowledgement of what exactly it was he was even apologizing for. And he caught hell because It looked like he was checking off a box in hopes that it would satisfy a requirement for his next employer.

I understand there were legal considerations, and that saying too much could have opened him to liability. But he'd have been better off saying nothing than going on the faux apology tour he did.

If you aren't genuinely contrite, you've got to fake it much better than he did then to gain any sympathy in his situation. And as bad as he was the first time, and as silent as he's been since, I can't see him saying anything now that would change anyone's mind, which is why I think it's waaaaaayyyyyyy too late for PR campaigns.

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bear2be2 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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trey3216 said:

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baylorrific said:

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bear2Be2, excellent post - spot-on. But I do think it is not too late for Briles to resurrect his career by publicly acting in a (sincerely) contrite manner, even apologizing for his spectacularly clueless and befuddling behavior post-termination. But I think there about 0.0076% chance he's savvy enough to realize that. What a clown show he's been post-termination.

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Unfortunately for him, it pretty much is.

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Whether or not it's too late probably depends on the results of the NCAA investigation.

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I'm not suggesting it's too late for him to be hired. That could still happen, but it's too late for him to feign remorse and have anyone other than those who already support him buy it.

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So the 2016 Tom Rinaldi apology interview doesn't count? It's out there and I remember he took 10 kinds of heck for even doing that.

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Saying "Bad things happened" isn't a genuine expression of contrition. It's stating the obvious. And vague apologies with no "for what?" attached generally fall on deaf -- and/or annoyed -- ears, particularly when followed with "I've never done anything immoral in my life."

That interview didn't count for most because it was so lacking in specificity or genuine acknowledgement of what exactly it was he was even apologizing for. And he caught hell because It looked like he was checking off a box in hopes that it would satisfy a requirement for his next employer.

I understand there were legal considerations, and that saying too much could have opened him to liability. But he'd have been better off saying nothing than going on the faux apology tour he did.

If you aren't genuinely contrite, you've got to fake it much better than he did then to gain any sympathy in his situation. And as bad as he was the first time, and as silent as he's been since, I can't see him saying anything now that would change anyone's mind, which is why I think it's waaaaaayyyyyyy too late for PR campaigns.

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applemacg4 said:

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So it's February 2019.

How many Baylor football players have been prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for these allegations against them?

Just the facts.

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