xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PV annuity of equal payments

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You take a lot of shots for being a BOR shill. So let's clear that up...

Are you employed by Baylor? Are you employed by the BOR directly? A PR firm employed by the BOR/a person on the BOR? Any company contracted by Baylor/Baylor employee/BOR?

Do you have ANY employment connection to Baylor?

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ALL Questions No & Never.


Some likes to embellish a great deal. .... often ..... I consider it a sign of a poor argument .

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You still don't address your double standard, moving the line of accountability, and constant attempt to discredit any of those calling for accountability from the BoR. It's your well documented hypocrisy that makes you a shill. According to you, all allegations against Briles was accurate. Press/click bait articles, and the FOF written by the BoR for the BoR. Yhey were gospel. Yet much more credible sources against the BoR (witness's and depositions under oath that have come out during legal proceedings, even former and current BOR members who were there that hold the BoR accountable for a problem that existed WAY before Briles...you dismiss it all.

I've admitted Briles wasn't perfect. I've supported Rhule From day 1. You've been a one trick pony.

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Fired employees ..... more credible ..... what a joke

And do you really read so poorly you are not aware of how limited that letter is? No one claims Briles turned away a rape victim that showed up on his doorstep. He will never be a major college HC again for the many things not addressed in that letter.

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Thank you for proving my point. I used Baylor's own leadership words on purpose. The quotes you used from them were were just as limiting.....yet their words were credible and meaningful when it fits your narrative. But this letter, again their words, is meaningless when it doesn't? You're a joke.

Fired employees? That's your line in the sand? The irony, if your BoR reported to anyone but themselves, they'd off ALL been fired for being in charge and mishandling the biggest most expensive scandal that encompassed the ENTIRE university..before Briles was ever on campus. Would their quotes matter to you then? They would never have survived a vote of confidence. They are in place for one reason. They answer to no one. If you have the balls to argue otherwise..well, you prove my point even more.

What about former BoR members and BoR members who were there at the time? Jokes? Testimony under oath and depositions where lies are crimes..jokes? Yet media quotes from your BOR members not under oath were gospel. Even your own interim president chosen by the BoR exposed the degree of the campus problems and the BORs failures while under oath in front of the state panels. Was he a joke as well?

You're exposing your own double standards and hypocrisy. That's the only JOKE.

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Derp Man, Briles cannot be trusted and is the main failure after Ian. The guy lied to his bosses after creating millions of dollars in liability. Briles is burnt toast. Do you expect to keep your job after lying to the board (boss)?

Briles cannot shoot straight but he can sue, look terrible in the Defendant's response and then dismiss after making a fool out of himself. His lack of candor is legendary. You cannot lie to your boss and expect a job (even if you are the rootin tootin small town Texas ball coach). Even a Derp like Rex should know it.

Sorry, this ain't TAPPS or a blighted one or two water tower ****hole town. You get fired for lying.

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OWNED.

Pour another glass. Leave this to the sober adults who don't need translators.

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Derp man, how much to drink did Art and company have before coming up with the idea to show up to the Rice game? Was it 'Buy a pint night' around the Rice campus? He solidified himself as an out of touch smal! town little world man. He ran away when the media cameras were too bright for him at Rice. He knew immediately he had screwed up.

Derp man, did you teach Briles how to negotiate? You shouldn't lie to your bosses after doub!ing down on negotiations.

Derp, do you lie to your bosses?

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1. Why do you babble on about a Rice game? It literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of anything. If he wanted to give the finger to Baylor, he would have come to a home game..and gotten a standing ovation.
2. I own my own holding companies. I have no "bosses". Blessed.
3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PV annuity of equal payments

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You take a lot of shots for being a BOR shill. So let's clear that up...

Are you employed by Baylor? Are you employed by the BOR directly? A PR firm employed by the BOR/a person on the BOR? Any company contracted by Baylor/Baylor employee/BOR?

Do you have ANY employment connection to Baylor?

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ALL Questions No & Never.


Some likes to embellish a great deal. .... often ..... I consider it a sign of a poor argument .

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You still don't address your double standard, moving the line of accountability, and constant attempt to discredit any of those calling for accountability from the BoR. It's your well documented hypocrisy that makes you a shill. According to you, all allegations against Briles was accurate. Press/click bait articles, and the FOF written by the BoR for the BoR. Yhey were gospel. Yet much more credible sources against the BoR (witness's and depositions under oath that have come out during legal proceedings, even former and current BOR members who were there that hold the BoR accountable for a problem that existed WAY before Briles...you dismiss it all.

I've admitted Briles wasn't perfect. I've supported Rhule From day 1. You've been a one trick pony.

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Fired employees ..... more credible ..... what a joke

And do you really read so poorly you are not aware of how limited that letter is? No one claims Briles turned away a rape victim that showed up on his doorstep. He will never be a major college HC again for the many things not addressed in that letter.

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Thank you for proving my point. I used Baylor's own leadership words on purpose. The quotes you used from them were were just as limiting.....yet their words were credible and meaningful when it fits your narrative. But this letter, again their words, is meaningless when it doesn't? You're a joke.

Fired employees? That's your line in the sand? The irony, if your BoR reported to anyone but themselves, they'd off ALL been fired for being in charge and mishandling the biggest most expensive scandal that encompassed the ENTIRE university..before Briles was ever on campus. Would their quotes matter to you then? They would never have survived a vote of confidence. They are in place for one reason. They answer to no one. If you have the balls to argue otherwise..well, you prove my point even more.

What about former BoR members and BoR members who were there at the time? Jokes? Testimony under oath and depositions where lies are crimes..jokes? Yet media quotes from your BOR members not under oath were gospel. Even your own interim president chosen by the BoR exposed the degree of the campus problems and the BORs failures while under oath in front of the state panels. Was he a joke as well?

You're exposing your own double standards and hypocrisy. That's the only JOKE.

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Derp Man, Briles cannot be trusted and is the main failure after Ian. The guy lied to his bosses after creating millions of dollars in liability. Briles is burnt toast. Do you expect to keep your job after lying to the board (boss)?

Briles cannot shoot straight but he can sue, look terrible in the Defendant's response and then dismiss after making a fool out of himself. His lack of candor is legendary. You cannot lie to your boss and expect a job (even if you are the rootin tootin small town Texas ball coach). Even a Derp like Rex should know it.

Sorry, this ain't TAPPS or a blighted one or two water tower ****hole town. You get fired for lying.

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OWNED.

Pour another glass. Leave this to the sober adults who don't need translators.

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Derp man, how much to drink did Art and company have before coming up with the idea to show up to the Rice game? Was it 'Buy a pint night' around the Rice campus? He solidified himself as an out of touch smal! town little world man. He ran away when the media cameras were too bright for him at Rice. He knew immediately he had screwed up.

Derp man, did you teach Briles how to negotiate? You shouldn't lie to your bosses after doub!ing down on negotiations.

Derp, do you lie to your bosses?

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1. Why do you babble on about a Rice game? It literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of anything. If he wanted to give the finger to Baylor, he would have come to a home game..and gotten a standing ovation.
2. I own my own holding companies. I have no "bosses". Blessed.
3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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1) The American public thought he looked not remorseful and it was all about him. Outside the bubble, the Big 12 media hammered Briles for acting like a derp and showing up at Rice. They questioned his class and integrity. The public agreed and now the derp cannot even get a job in the CFL. The Big 12 thought he helped give them the finger with his kids and staff tanking the rest of the 2016 season. The league has had no problem withholding our money. There's 9 schools not wanting him associated with NCAA athletics. He is a washed up legend in most people's mind outside the bubble. You must not even understand our fanbase is small and doesn't travel well enough for the big money football people to care about Art getting anything at Baylor.

2) Do you lie to your clients and customers and expect to still have business? Art had no problems lying to those who paid his bills. He did so after doubling down on his salary. Do you allow your people to lie?

3) Did you participate in pint night at Rice with the Briles crew? I will tell what my favorite beverage of choice is for old x. It's pussie juice. You cannot ship that around and I've seen some of these women hanging out with the robe. I'll pass on those types. Doing one of them would be really taking it for the team.


I wanted to start a thread to get a good laugh about what the 12 voices in my head thought when Briles showed up at Rice but I am told it will likely get me banned like the Old Bear. These evangelical robe touchers would cry out loudly (for their favorite derp with those 12 comments).


Gotta run, business lunch beats helping the clueless derps.

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It's 2019...Did you seriously just use the phrase. "Pu$!ie Juice"? Good god why does that not surprise me. And you claim Art was out of touch?

Crass, drunk, and a racist. Keep posting my friend (though I'm not sure the mods agree...great reflection of their forum). Let the world see you for who you are. A sad wasted life on a football forum.

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Derp, I knew I d get a reponse that would blow you away. You need to be concerned about yourself. Smartass question gets a hole response.

It's 2019? No sxit! The football powers and money still associate Briles with derps. When Baylor travels better on the road your squirrel standing ovation for Briles types might get noticed. Until then, he's washed up.

My ride is here to get me. Got more important things to do instead of waiting, reading and educating derps.

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"I knew I'd get a response". Is that your pathetic attempt to justify and/or backtrack? Only a depraved mind would utter those words today..there's not one excuse that would justify it.

My advice, you've told us how you have to go work and how busy you are twice now...so do yourself a favor, step away from the bottle and key board and disappear...for a while!

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Derp, Keyser owned you guys yesterday but you still need to prove that your Briles wasn't a big old dumb country derp.


I was told I might get banned posting a thread about the "all 12 voices in my head" when Art stumbled into Rice. It would cause you to have a stroke.

I went to my nice little business lunch and came back to see crying some more about posts. You whine and call people racist, drunks or whatever then get eaten alive by Keyser and come off as clueless as Art and Ian.

My advice to you is not to mention you went to Baylor around anyone outside the bubble. Once they hear your derping it up about Art Briles, regents and life being unfair, they will think David Boren was righteous taking our money.

xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PV annuity of equal payments

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You take a lot of shots for being a BOR shill. So let's clear that up...

Are you employed by Baylor? Are you employed by the BOR directly? A PR firm employed by the BOR/a person on the BOR? Any company contracted by Baylor/Baylor employee/BOR?

Do you have ANY employment connection to Baylor?

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ALL Questions No & Never.


Some likes to embellish a great deal. .... often ..... I consider it a sign of a poor argument .

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You still don't address your double standard, moving the line of accountability, and constant attempt to discredit any of those calling for accountability from the BoR. It's your well documented hypocrisy that makes you a shill. According to you, all allegations against Briles was accurate. Press/click bait articles, and the FOF written by the BoR for the BoR. Yhey were gospel. Yet much more credible sources against the BoR (witness's and depositions under oath that have come out during legal proceedings, even former and current BOR members who were there that hold the BoR accountable for a problem that existed WAY before Briles...you dismiss it all.

I've admitted Briles wasn't perfect. I've supported Rhule From day 1. You've been a one trick pony.

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Fired employees ..... more credible ..... what a joke

And do you really read so poorly you are not aware of how limited that letter is? No one claims Briles turned away a rape victim that showed up on his doorstep. He will never be a major college HC again for the many things not addressed in that letter.

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Thank you for proving my point. I used Baylor's own leadership words on purpose. The quotes you used from them were were just as limiting.....yet their words were credible and meaningful when it fits your narrative. But this letter, again their words, is meaningless when it doesn't? You're a joke.

Fired employees? That's your line in the sand? The irony, if your BoR reported to anyone but themselves, they'd off ALL been fired for being in charge and mishandling the biggest most expensive scandal that encompassed the ENTIRE university..before Briles was ever on campus. Would their quotes matter to you then? They would never have survived a vote of confidence. They are in place for one reason. They answer to no one. If you have the balls to argue otherwise..well, you prove my point even more.

What about former BoR members and BoR members who were there at the time? Jokes? Testimony under oath and depositions where lies are crimes..jokes? Yet media quotes from your BOR members not under oath were gospel. Even your own interim president chosen by the BoR exposed the degree of the campus problems and the BORs failures while under oath in front of the state panels. Was he a joke as well?

You're exposing your own double standards and hypocrisy. That's the only JOKE.

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Derp Man, Briles cannot be trusted and is the main failure after Ian. The guy lied to his bosses after creating millions of dollars in liability. Briles is burnt toast. Do you expect to keep your job after lying to the board (boss)?

Briles cannot shoot straight but he can sue, look terrible in the Defendant's response and then dismiss after making a fool out of himself. His lack of candor is legendary. You cannot lie to your boss and expect a job (even if you are the rootin tootin small town Texas ball coach). Even a Derp like Rex should know it.

Sorry, this ain't TAPPS or a blighted one or two water tower ****hole town. You get fired for lying.

---

OWNED.

Pour another glass. Leave this to the sober adults who don't need translators.

---

Derp man, how much to drink did Art and company have before coming up with the idea to show up to the Rice game? Was it 'Buy a pint night' around the Rice campus? He solidified himself as an out of touch smal! town little world man. He ran away when the media cameras were too bright for him at Rice. He knew immediately he had screwed up.

Derp man, did you teach Briles how to negotiate? You shouldn't lie to your bosses after doub!ing down on negotiations.

Derp, do you lie to your bosses?

---

1. Why do you babble on about a Rice game? It literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of anything. If he wanted to give the finger to Baylor, he would have come to a home game..and gotten a standing ovation.
2. I own my own holding companies. I have no "bosses". Blessed.
3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

---

1) The American public thought he looked not remorseful and it was all about him. Outside the bubble, the Big 12 media hammered Briles for acting like a derp and showing up at Rice. They questioned his class and integrity. The public agreed and now the derp cannot even get a job in the CFL. The Big 12 thought he helped give them the finger with his kids and staff tanking the rest of the 2016 season. The league has had no problem withholding our money. There's 9 schools not wanting him associated with NCAA athletics. He is a washed up legend in most people's mind outside the bubble. You must not even understand our fanbase is small and doesn't travel well enough for the big money football people to care about Art getting anything at Baylor.

2) Do you lie to your clients and customers and expect to still have business? Art had no problems lying to those who paid his bills. He did so after doubling down on his salary. Do you allow your people to lie?

3) Did you participate in pint night at Rice with the Briles crew? I will tell what my favorite beverage of choice is for old x. It's pussie juice. You cannot ship that around and I've seen some of these women hanging out with the robe. I'll pass on those types. Doing one of them would be really taking it for the team.


I wanted to start a thread to get a good laugh about what the 12 voices in my head thought when Briles showed up at Rice but I am told it will likely get me banned like the Old Bear. These evangelical robe touchers would cry out loudly (for their favorite derp with those 12 comments).


Gotta run, business lunch beats helping the clueless derps.

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It's 2019...Did you seriously just use the phrase. "Pu$!ie Juice"? Good god why does that not surprise me. And you claim Art was out of touch?

Crass, drunk, and a racist. Keep posting my friend (though I'm not sure the mods agree...great reflection of their forum). Let the world see you for who you are. A sad wasted life on a football forum.

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Derp, I knew I d get a reponse that would blow you away. You need to be concerned about yourself. Smartass question gets a hole response.

It's 2019? No sxit! The football powers and money still associate Briles with derps. When Baylor travels better on the road your squirrel standing ovation for Briles types might get noticed. Until then, he's washed up.

My ride is here to get me. Got more important things to do instead of waiting, reading and educating derps.

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"I knew I'd get a response". Is that your pathetic attempt to justify and/or backtrack? Only a depraved mind would utter those words today..there's not one excuse that would justify it.

My advice, you've told us how you have to go work and how busy you are twice now...so do yourself a favor, step away from the bottle and key board and disappear...for a while!

---

Derp, Keyser owned you guys yesterday but you still need to prove that your Briles wasn't a big old dumb country derp.


I was told I might get banned posting a thread about the "all 12 voices in my head" when Art stumbled into Rice. It would cause you to have a stroke.

I went to my nice little business lunch and came back to see crying some more about posts. You whine and call people racist, drunks or whatever then get eaten alive by Keyser and come off as clueless as Art and Ian.

My advice to you is not to mention you went to Baylor around anyone outside the bubble. Once they hear your derping it up about Art Briles, regents and life being unfair, they will think David Boren was righteous taking our money.

---

Actually, most people I've spoken with "outside the bubble" tend to understand that today's news cycles tend to tilt towards exaggeration. Nobody thinks I'm crazy when I tell them that the university made mistakes but it's certainly not a rape factory and that, like most colleges, the students know that and they feel perfectly safe.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PV annuity of equal payments

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You take a lot of shots for being a BOR shill. So let's clear that up...

Are you employed by Baylor? Are you employed by the BOR directly? A PR firm employed by the BOR/a person on the BOR? Any company contracted by Baylor/Baylor employee/BOR?

Do you have ANY employment connection to Baylor?

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ALL Questions No & Never.


Some likes to embellish a great deal. .... often ..... I consider it a sign of a poor argument .

---

You still don't address your double standard, moving the line of accountability, and constant attempt to discredit any of those calling for accountability from the BoR. It's your well documented hypocrisy that makes you a shill. According to you, all allegations against Briles was accurate. Press/click bait articles, and the FOF written by the BoR for the BoR. Yhey were gospel. Yet much more credible sources against the BoR (witness's and depositions under oath that have come out during legal proceedings, even former and current BOR members who were there that hold the BoR accountable for a problem that existed WAY before Briles...you dismiss it all.

I've admitted Briles wasn't perfect. I've supported Rhule From day 1. You've been a one trick pony.

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Fired employees ..... more credible ..... what a joke

And do you really read so poorly you are not aware of how limited that letter is? No one claims Briles turned away a rape victim that showed up on his doorstep. He will never be a major college HC again for the many things not addressed in that letter.

---

Thank you for proving my point. I used Baylor's own leadership words on purpose. The quotes you used from them were were just as limiting.....yet their words were credible and meaningful when it fits your narrative. But this letter, again their words, is meaningless when it doesn't? You're a joke.

Fired employees? That's your line in the sand? The irony, if your BoR reported to anyone but themselves, they'd off ALL been fired for being in charge and mishandling the biggest most expensive scandal that encompassed the ENTIRE university..before Briles was ever on campus. Would their quotes matter to you then? They would never have survived a vote of confidence. They are in place for one reason. They answer to no one. If you have the balls to argue otherwise..well, you prove my point even more.

What about former BoR members and BoR members who were there at the time? Jokes? Testimony under oath and depositions where lies are crimes..jokes? Yet media quotes from your BOR members not under oath were gospel. Even your own interim president chosen by the BoR exposed the degree of the campus problems and the BORs failures while under oath in front of the state panels. Was he a joke as well?

You're exposing your own double standards and hypocrisy. That's the only JOKE.

---

Derp Man, Briles cannot be trusted and is the main failure after Ian. The guy lied to his bosses after creating millions of dollars in liability. Briles is burnt toast. Do you expect to keep your job after lying to the board (boss)?

Briles cannot shoot straight but he can sue, look terrible in the Defendant's response and then dismiss after making a fool out of himself. His lack of candor is legendary. You cannot lie to your boss and expect a job (even if you are the rootin tootin small town Texas ball coach). Even a Derp like Rex should know it.

Sorry, this ain't TAPPS or a blighted one or two water tower ****hole town. You get fired for lying.

---

OWNED.

Pour another glass. Leave this to the sober adults who don't need translators.

---

Derp man, how much to drink did Art and company have before coming up with the idea to show up to the Rice game? Was it 'Buy a pint night' around the Rice campus? He solidified himself as an out of touch smal! town little world man. He ran away when the media cameras were too bright for him at Rice. He knew immediately he had screwed up.

Derp man, did you teach Briles how to negotiate? You shouldn't lie to your bosses after doub!ing down on negotiations.

Derp, do you lie to your bosses?

---

1. Why do you babble on about a Rice game? It literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of anything. If he wanted to give the finger to Baylor, he would have come to a home game..and gotten a standing ovation.
2. I own my own holding companies. I have no "bosses". Blessed.
3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

---

1) The American public thought he looked not remorseful and it was all about him. Outside the bubble, the Big 12 media hammered Briles for acting like a derp and showing up at Rice. They questioned his class and integrity. The public agreed and now the derp cannot even get a job in the CFL. The Big 12 thought he helped give them the finger with his kids and staff tanking the rest of the 2016 season. The league has had no problem withholding our money. There's 9 schools not wanting him associated with NCAA athletics. He is a washed up legend in most people's mind outside the bubble. You must not even understand our fanbase is small and doesn't travel well enough for the big money football people to care about Art getting anything at Baylor.

2) Do you lie to your clients and customers and expect to still have business? Art had no problems lying to those who paid his bills. He did so after doubling down on his salary. Do you allow your people to lie?

3) Did you participate in pint night at Rice with the Briles crew? I will tell what my favorite beverage of choice is for old x. It's pussie juice. You cannot ship that around and I've seen some of these women hanging out with the robe. I'll pass on those types. Doing one of them would be really taking it for the team.


I wanted to start a thread to get a good laugh about what the 12 voices in my head thought when Briles showed up at Rice but I am told it will likely get me banned like the Old Bear. These evangelical robe touchers would cry out loudly (for their favorite derp with those 12 comments).


Gotta run, business lunch beats helping the clueless derps.

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It's 2019...Did you seriously just use the phrase. "Pu$!ie Juice"? Good god why does that not surprise me. And you claim Art was out of touch?

Crass, drunk, and a racist. Keep posting my friend (though I'm not sure the mods agree...great reflection of their forum). Let the world see you for who you are. A sad wasted life on a football forum.

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Derp, I knew I d get a reponse that would blow you away. You need to be concerned about yourself. Smartass question gets a hole response.

It's 2019? No sxit! The football powers and money still associate Briles with derps. When Baylor travels better on the road your squirrel standing ovation for Briles types might get noticed. Until then, he's washed up.

My ride is here to get me. Got more important things to do instead of waiting, reading and educating derps.

---

"I knew I'd get a response". Is that your pathetic attempt to justify and/or backtrack? Only a depraved mind would utter those words today..there's not one excuse that would justify it.

My advice, you've told us how you have to go work and how busy you are twice now...so do yourself a favor, step away from the bottle and key board and disappear...for a while!

---

Derp, Keyser owned you guys yesterday but you still need to prove that your Briles wasn't a big old dumb country derp.


I was told I might get banned posting a thread about the "all 12 voices in my head" when Art stumbled into Rice. It would cause you to have a stroke.

I went to my nice little business lunch and came back to see crying some more about posts. You whine and call people racist, drunks or whatever then get eaten alive by Keyser and come off as clueless as Art and Ian.

My advice to you is not to mention you went to Baylor around anyone outside the bubble. Once they hear your derping it up about Art Briles, regents and life being unfair, they will think David Boren was righteous taking our money.

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Actually, most people I've spoken with "outside the bubble" tend to understand that today's news cycles tend to tilt towards exaggeration. Nobody thinks I'm crazy when I tell them that the university made mistakes but it's certainly not a rape factory and that, like most colleges, the students know that and they feel perfectly safe.

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Outside the bubble, people get the fact it's the head coaches responsiblity to control the non paying students he brought on campus.

It costed Bob Stoops his job. Poor Bob didn't embarrass himself or his profession like Art.

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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xiledinok said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PV annuity of equal payments

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You take a lot of shots for being a BOR shill. So let's clear that up...

Are you employed by Baylor? Are you employed by the BOR directly? A PR firm employed by the BOR/a person on the BOR? Any company contracted by Baylor/Baylor employee/BOR?

Do you have ANY employment connection to Baylor?

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ALL Questions No & Never.


Some likes to embellish a great deal. .... often ..... I consider it a sign of a poor argument .

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You still don't address your double standard, moving the line of accountability, and constant attempt to discredit any of those calling for accountability from the BoR. It's your well documented hypocrisy that makes you a shill. According to you, all allegations against Briles was accurate. Press/click bait articles, and the FOF written by the BoR for the BoR. Yhey were gospel. Yet much more credible sources against the BoR (witness's and depositions under oath that have come out during legal proceedings, even former and current BOR members who were there that hold the BoR accountable for a problem that existed WAY before Briles...you dismiss it all.

I've admitted Briles wasn't perfect. I've supported Rhule From day 1. You've been a one trick pony.

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Fired employees ..... more credible ..... what a joke

And do you really read so poorly you are not aware of how limited that letter is? No one claims Briles turned away a rape victim that showed up on his doorstep. He will never be a major college HC again for the many things not addressed in that letter.

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Thank you for proving my point. I used Baylor's own leadership words on purpose. The quotes you used from them were were just as limiting.....yet their words were credible and meaningful when it fits your narrative. But this letter, again their words, is meaningless when it doesn't? You're a joke.

Fired employees? That's your line in the sand? The irony, if your BoR reported to anyone but themselves, they'd off ALL been fired for being in charge and mishandling the biggest most expensive scandal that encompassed the ENTIRE university..before Briles was ever on campus. Would their quotes matter to you then? They would never have survived a vote of confidence. They are in place for one reason. They answer to no one. If you have the balls to argue otherwise..well, you prove my point even more.

What about former BoR members and BoR members who were there at the time? Jokes? Testimony under oath and depositions where lies are crimes..jokes? Yet media quotes from your BOR members not under oath were gospel. Even your own interim president chosen by the BoR exposed the degree of the campus problems and the BORs failures while under oath in front of the state panels. Was he a joke as well?

You're exposing your own double standards and hypocrisy. That's the only JOKE.

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Derp Man, Briles cannot be trusted and is the main failure after Ian. The guy lied to his bosses after creating millions of dollars in liability. Briles is burnt toast. Do you expect to keep your job after lying to the board (boss)?

Briles cannot shoot straight but he can sue, look terrible in the Defendant's response and then dismiss after making a fool out of himself. His lack of candor is legendary. You cannot lie to your boss and expect a job (even if you are the rootin tootin small town Texas ball coach). Even a Derp like Rex should know it.

Sorry, this ain't TAPPS or a blighted one or two water tower ****hole town. You get fired for lying.

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OWNED.

Pour another glass. Leave this to the sober adults who don't need translators.

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Derp man, how much to drink did Art and company have before coming up with the idea to show up to the Rice game? Was it 'Buy a pint night' around the Rice campus? He solidified himself as an out of touch smal! town little world man. He ran away when the media cameras were too bright for him at Rice. He knew immediately he had screwed up.

Derp man, did you teach Briles how to negotiate? You shouldn't lie to your bosses after doub!ing down on negotiations.

Derp, do you lie to your bosses?

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1. Why do you babble on about a Rice game? It literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of anything. If he wanted to give the finger to Baylor, he would have come to a home game..and gotten a standing ovation.
2. I own my own holding companies. I have no "bosses". Blessed.
3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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1) The American public thought he looked not remorseful and it was all about him. Outside the bubble, the Big 12 media hammered Briles for acting like a derp and showing up at Rice. They questioned his class and integrity. The public agreed and now the derp cannot even get a job in the CFL. The Big 12 thought he helped give them the finger with his kids and staff tanking the rest of the 2016 season. The league has had no problem withholding our money. There's 9 schools not wanting him associated with NCAA athletics. He is a washed up legend in most people's mind outside the bubble. You must not even understand our fanbase is small and doesn't travel well enough for the big money football people to care about Art getting anything at Baylor.

2) Do you lie to your clients and customers and expect to still have business? Art had no problems lying to those who paid his bills. He did so after doubling down on his salary. Do you allow your people to lie?

3) Did you participate in pint night at Rice with the Briles crew? I will tell what my favorite beverage of choice is for old x. It's pussie juice. You cannot ship that around and I've seen some of these women hanging out with the robe. I'll pass on those types. Doing one of them would be really taking it for the team.


I wanted to start a thread to get a good laugh about what the 12 voices in my head thought when Briles showed up at Rice but I am told it will likely get me banned like the Old Bear. These evangelical robe touchers would cry out loudly (for their favorite derp with those 12 comments).


Gotta run, business lunch beats helping the clueless derps.

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It's 2019...Did you seriously just use the phrase. "Pu$!ie Juice"? Good god why does that not surprise me. And you claim Art was out of touch?

Crass, drunk, and a racist. Keep posting my friend (though I'm not sure the mods agree...great reflection of their forum). Let the world see you for who you are. A sad wasted life on a football forum.

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Derp, I knew I d get a reponse that would blow you away. You need to be concerned about yourself. Smartass question gets a hole response.

It's 2019? No sxit! The football powers and money still associate Briles with derps. When Baylor travels better on the road your squirrel standing ovation for Briles types might get noticed. Until then, he's washed up.

My ride is here to get me. Got more important things to do instead of waiting, reading and educating derps.

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"I knew I'd get a response". Is that your pathetic attempt to justify and/or backtrack? Only a depraved mind would utter those words today..there's not one excuse that would justify it.

My advice, you've told us how you have to go work and how busy you are twice now...so do yourself a favor, step away from the bottle and key board and disappear...for a while!

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Derp, Keyser owned you guys yesterday but you still need to prove that your Briles wasn't a big old dumb country derp.


I was told I might get banned posting a thread about the "all 12 voices in my head" when Art stumbled into Rice. It would cause you to have a stroke.

I went to my nice little business lunch and came back to see crying some more about posts. You whine and call people racist, drunks or whatever then get eaten alive by Keyser and come off as clueless as Art and Ian.

My advice to you is not to mention you went to Baylor around anyone outside the bubble. Once they hear your derping it up about Art Briles, regents and life being unfair, they will think David Boren was righteous taking our money.

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Actually, most people I've spoken with "outside the bubble" tend to understand that today's news cycles tend to tilt towards exaggeration. Nobody thinks I'm crazy when I tell them that the university made mistakes but it's certainly not a rape factory and that, like most colleges, the students know that and they feel perfectly safe.

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Derp, you really think you win because other derps give you stars on your posts? You won't convince anybody outside the bubble your b.s. on our scandal.

This is like WWE entertainment. I'd rather be a heel spitting on the continuation ignorant Briles propaganda than be a fake "say your prayers, eat your vitamins and love Arthur Ray" no matter how much stupidity from the former regime.

Pay $13 bucks and quit complaining.

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Ardbeg 20 Something. Take a bottle to the Letterman's lounge. Tell them Soft hands sent it.

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

Derp Man, send the Ardbeg 20 Something. Quit *****ing about others.
You can wear a disguise to the liquor store.

Just drop it off with Thee in September. We'll let your wife ***** at you for 6 months about your quality purchase. A high roller like yourself can find it in Houston.

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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You like ladyboys?

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Dman said:

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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Appears that he likes ladyboys too....that CTE must be a bltch.

Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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He got permabanned for making racist comments on the pay side (shocking, I know).

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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Sorry fluffer. I get you estrogen-injected apologists all mixed up. Pencil neck. Pencil dick. Wear it proudly. You've earned it!

I don't need to remind you of glory days. It is in the record books. Still. After 40 years.

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Dman said:

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Dman said:

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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Appears that he likes ladyboys too....that CTE must be a bltch.

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Had my baseline assessment a while back. I'll get the results to you soon. Will you apologize if I pass with flying colors?

I'm not real smart but I don't think CTE causes you to turn into a flaming CABdriver fluffer like an abnormally high percentage of you "manly" Bubble Boys remain.

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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Appears that he likes ladyboys too....that CTE must be a bltch.

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Had my baseline assessment a while back. I'll get the results to you soon. Will you apologize if I pass with flying colors?

I'm not real smart but I don't think CTE causes you to turn into a flaming CABdriver fluffer like an abnormally high percentage of you "manly" Bubble Boys remain.

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Yet no denial you like ladyboys!
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Props to mods for selectively cleaning up versus shutting down the thread.

I did that myself. It's not worth my time to say something I know will get a response that will always end up the same. People calling people fluffers, and pencil neck and all those other sayings since 1960. Oh ya and the record books. I didn't even knew we had one.

You two high roller beautiful people figure out how to get two bottles of Ardbeg 20 Something to Thee. He'll need one for safe keeping mine until I retrieve it.
Thee is retired and I m exiled. You to can help two deportables out with the purchases.

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I did that myself. It's not worth my time to say something I know will get a response that will always end up the same. People calling people fluffers, and pencil neck and all those other sayings since 1960. Oh ya and the record books. I didn't even knew we had one.

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It is amazing what you can find or better yet, what you can't find, in the Baylor Media Guide which has all of the BU records in it.

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Thee University said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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3. What's your liquor/bottle of choice? I'll forward a monthly bottle to a PO Box. I normally discourage the habit, but it's obviously a needed vice.

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I'll take that offer!

If you are the ladyboy that lives in Horseshoe Bay you can hand deliver it to me!!!!! All you pencil necks are the same. I just can't keep up which one has his snout attached to the CABdriver's @$$.

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Awe. Cute. OWNED's "team depends" support group shows up. Where's the Old Bigot?

Wrong guy old man. I live nowhere near horseshoe bay. But thanks for trying. Or just keep making crap up. Your call. Shouldn't you be reminding us about your glory years when you peaked in college?

Side note. Does your vocabulary reach beyond basic simpleton words like "pencil neck". That got old YEARS ago.

You fall under the same category of OWNED. "not worth my time". Enjoy!

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Appears that he likes ladyboys too....that CTE must be a bltch.

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Had my baseline assessment a while back. I'll get the results to you soon. Will you apologize if I pass with flying colors?

I'm not real smart but I don't think CTE causes you to turn into a flaming CABdriver fluffer like an abnormally high percentage of you "manly" Bubble Boys remain.

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Yet no denial you like ladyboys!
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I love everyone!

What's amazing is that you're 60 and you need to tell us how great you were from 40 years ago. You're in the record books....clap, clap, clap. I guess Vann and Mike decided that they didn't have to sign up to a message board to tell us about "the hit" and how many helmets they broke. You sound more like Al Bundy than you do a Baylor legend.

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What's amazing is that you're 60 and you need to tell us how great you were from 40 years ago. You're in the record books....clap, clap, clap. I guess Vann and Mike decided that they didn't have to sign up to a message board to tell us about "the hit" and how many helmets they broke. You sound more like Al Bundy than you do a Baylor legend.

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Pretty funny he owns you guys. Drop off the Ardbeg 20 Something outside the Lettermen's lounge. We are not supposed to be in there. He is accurate about the record.


I hope we play Florida State as well in the next few years. Willie is their John Blake and the ACC opponent defensive coaches recruit decent players who are great athletes.
Also, Florida State is in decline. Miami and Florida went through a down period.
Now, Florida is way ahead these days and gaining momentum. Jimbo left the FSU because it isn't the job it once was at FSU.

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What's amazing is that you're 60 and you need to tell us how great you were from 40 years ago. You're in the record books....clap, clap, clap. I guess Vann and Mike decided that they didn't have to sign up to a message board to tell us about "the hit" and how many helmets they broke. You sound more like Al Bundy than you do a Baylor legend.

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Pretty funny he owns you guys. Drop off the Ardbeg 20 Something outside the Lettermen's lounge. We are not supposed to be in there. He is accurate about the record.


I hope we play Florida State as well in the next few years. Willie is their John Blake and the ACC opponent defensive coaches recruit decent players who are great athletes.
Also, Florida State is in decline. Miami and Florida went through a down period.
Now, Florida is way ahead these days and gaining momentum. Jimbo left the FSU because it isn't the job it once was at FSU.

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Please try to get some sleep little man

Funny thing is you actually think that I care, and you really believe that I do. You may be an attorney allegedly but your presumptions are something that you've been swinging at and missing for sometime. You're a loser. And if you think being an attorney makes you exempt from being a F'ing tool. I could give you 100 attorneys that think highly of themselves but are not worth 2 cents of the paper that degree is on. GO AWAY LOSER!

I figured you two were at church and would just look at your phones while appearing to follow scriptures.

Dumbass go away. I'm not in church. I'm not even what you think I am by a long shot. Go away.

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Funny thing is you actually think that I care, and you really believe that I do. You may be an attorney allegedly but your presumptions are something that you've been swinging at and missing for sometime. You're a loser. GO AWAY!

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You do care. Perhaps, you can play a legendary football player and Coach in your next leading role. A story about a mentally handicapped egotistical coach who ran over anything and everyone until he was busted on his butt. The character will be similar to one you study and be eventually sent elsewhere to teach cigarette smoking men how to play in another country. In the foreign country, he becomes a hero for not tanking games like his bosses want him to do and is a hero in the eyes of the players. A real tear jerker.

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What's amazing is that you're 60 and you need to tell us how great you were from 40 years ago. You're in the record books....clap, clap, clap. I guess Vann and Mike decided that they didn't have to sign up to a message board to tell us about "the hit" and how many helmets they broke. You sound more like Al Bundy than you do a Baylor legend.

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Pretty funny he owns you guys. Drop off the Ardbeg 20 Something outside the Lettermen's lounge. We are not supposed to be in there. He is accurate about the record.


I hope we play Florida State as well in the next few years. Willie is their John Blake and the ACC opponent defensive coaches recruit decent players who are great athletes.
Also, Florida State is in decline. Miami and Florida went through a down period.
Now, Florida is way ahead these days and gaining momentum. Jimbo left the FSU because it isn't the job it once was at FSU.

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Please try to get some sleep little man

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Try to stop posting garbage on a message board about a school where your son was dismissed under bad circumstances. Act like your son deserves to coach in college, not a junior high in Paris, Texas.

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Funny thing is you actually think that I care, and you really believe that I do. You may be an attorney allegedly but your presumptions are something that you've been swinging at and missing for sometime. You're a loser. And if you think being an attorney makes you exempt from being a F'ing tool. I could give you 100 attorneys that think highly of themselves but are not worth 2 cents of the paper that degree is on. GO AWAY LOSER!I

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Are you a Palestinian? You need more practice throwing rocks at people. Do you have an injury? Your form is off.
What I do or don't do is irrelevant. I 've never played my horn. It's not important to these topics though the level of stupidity from the former regime concerns me. The derp level is worse than Live PD 's Friday night stars.
You guys are nickel and dimers getting worked up about the former regime. Outside the bubble, you guys are the losers.
How did it turn out? You keeping score? The public did and the clock has 00:00 on it.

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What's amazing is that you're 60 and you need to tell us how great you were from 40 years ago. You're in the record books....clap, clap, clap. I guess Vann and Mike decided that they didn't have to sign up to a message board to tell us about "the hit" and how many helmets they broke. You sound more like Al Bundy than you do a Baylor legend.

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Who is the Al Bundy who posts videos of himself on Facebook spouting out all types of weak, grandstanding BS? I can find you on Facebook and who knows where else in a teenager's social media world. One place I can find zero trace of you is in the Baylor media guide. I can always be entertained by your name dropping ability.

I'm not telling anyone how fair I was. I'm telling people how good some of the teams I played on were. I enjoy spanking "Arthur's Boys" who still, after 1025 days, are still curled up in fetal positions unable to let go of the tattered robe.

I've never said anything about "a hit" because I was not a hitter. I never broke a helmet (a crack around a screw hole qualified as a broken helmet) but I had to get a few new ones for cracks. Big deal. So what.

My presence and attitude towards the one who soiled our program disturbs many of the Baylor Bubble robe clutching crowd which is why I post. As far as any of my teammates posting I could care less. I'm here to entertain and be entertained. You are entertainment.

The word of God is not grandstanding. My calling in life talking to kids about the mistakes I made and talking about becoming a Christian at 45 in no ways has been grandstanding . 2.) You know that I was DOA on a car wreck before the bluebonnet bowl in 86 right? You do know that I was out of school for 3 years learning how to walk, run and function normally right? You know that I had a subdural hematoma that required me to learn how to read and write again right? You do know I was told I would never graduate from college because of the head injury right and I did. As far as your cheap shots about me, which you know nothing about other than second hand gossip.
If you did, you would know that I am in the oil and gas business and my family has been for 80 years.
Acting brought me a lot post football. I was part of the greatest show in American TV history in the last 50 years and played a major role in the lead character leaving the show. I don't talk about it. It has brought me a lot over the last 10 years.
As far as my time playing or better yet running the scout team while I was a freshman, I never scored the winning touchdown. I never had 100 yard games. I'm 50 and playing football in high school and college was something that I can look back on and say hey "those are great guys, I wish I hadn't got hurt so I could have contributed." Nothing more. I can't change the way you feel about me or anything I've said, but if you're going to make a comment make sure that you know what your talking about. I don't know maybe telling the truth other than an assumption. Again, YOU WERE one of my favorite BU players at one time and I saw you play when i was in junior high and high school. Our heroes are our heroes until we find out what bad guys they really are.