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I think people here know my position about the BOR. But Starr had a large role. Other presidents of major universities managed to implement the system. Starr should have as well. Having a law degree and being a former federal judge makes his direlection even more unconscionable.
As to stars I rarely star anyone. I sure as hell don't star myself. Is there not a way to see who makes stars?
That's a fallacy. Very few universities had fully implemented the OCR guidance prior to the Baylor "scandal." In fact, it was very difficult for institutions to even find administrators to lead these departments because there simply were hardly any with experience since the guidance didn't exist before 2011 and the number of institutions that had implemented full-time staff was miniscule. Universities were building these departments "on the fly" with people who had to try and understand the guidance as they built.
It is not a fallacy. Your second sentence states very few universities had fully implemented the OCR guidance prior to the Baylor scandal. Perhaps true. Starr however did not even make an attempt to implement anything. His dereliction was unconscionable, even if he did not have a law degree and was not a former federal judge.
I understand that you are a Clintonista, but you are just wrong. Even Keyser will tell you so. Baylor did have some level of T9 protocol in place, even if they still operated it under 1950s puritanical standards. The problem was that Baylor was just like the vast majority of colleges in America, but when the breeze met the excrement, it was Baylor that was soaking in the media hot tub. There were literally more than 100 universities under federal investigation for T9 irregularities at the time it all broke loose on Baylor, and BU was not one of those. Even if you believe that Starr had some philosophical legal differences with the OCR guidance (as many did and still do), he did no less than most every other university president in the nation, including those at state institutions with more at stake in the federal funding lottery.
While it may be true that it took a media firestorm of epic proportions for Baylor to step up its game in this part of T9 direction, they had not completely ignored it before, and were on par with the vast majority of institutions in the country. So, if you want to say that Starr was not a pacesetter when it came to toeing the line of the recent OCR guidance, that would be a fair statement. However, to suggest that somehow he was a "derelict" administrator when compared to just about every other college president and chancellor in the nation is just nonsense. It's just more piling on by those who simply never liked the guy.
Agree. Yes Baylor was behind on T9, but they certainly looked more like than dislike other Universities.
Prior to Pepper, they had other audits and recommendations. The result was the hiring of Patti Crawford as Baylor's first full time T9 coordinator in Nov 2014 (previously the job was handled by Judicial Affairs). Crawford's staff was undersized and I think she was overwhelmed by the job - but all that was a learn as go basis.
Patty Crawford was "overwhelmed", I am sure she was. OVERWHELMED by Ramsower and his minions blocking every investigation that had anything to do with sexual assault and rape. Good try spin doctor, most of us know your full of it. just like the rest of y'all that keep pushing your BS.
BS like Art didn't report stuff to Judicial Affairs? or there were 17 Baylor Co-Eds that made allegations against 19 football players? Or that assistant coaches were sent out to meet a victims mom?
Also, if you are going to counter a point I make, don't blatantly make **** up. Ramsower is a creep - you can point out the stuff he actually did if making him look bad is you
Mr. Spin Doctor, you and I had this discussion more than two years ago. At that time I told you that JA, SA, Baylor PD and Ramsower were all covering up everything including RAPE and sexual assaults.
Back at that time, you told me I was wrong and misreading the entire situation. Now that lawsuits have been filed naming Ramsower and his underlings as the ones covering up those crimes, how can you spin it. How can you blame it on Patty Crawford or anyone associated with the football staff. Depositions, swore testimony, lawsuits, and your still trying to spin it.
Here you are implying that Art Briles covered up rape by not reporting it to Judicial Affairs. Baylor's attorneys have already covered that, maybe you should accept that. By the way, It has already come out that the administration, including Judicial Affairs was not informing the football staff, nice try, shameful on your part, but nice try anyway.
As for Ramsower, he was following orders of the BOR. There is no need for me to make Ramsower look like a creep. Everyone that every attended Baylor knows what and who he is. They know what he and the BOR did. What bothers me is why you keep trying to spin it. I don't have to make anything up, its all there for everyone to see.
My only question is why you would sell your soul, honor or integrity while continuing to push this narrative. You doing this is shameful, just plain shameful. It is a total dishonor to the victims of the Baylor scandal. What is worse your still pushing the FOOTBALL players only. Seriously, there has been testimony and depositions stating that Baylor students, graduate assistants, faculty, and even a few administrators were all involved in praying on the coeds.
Your shameful spin doctor, just shameful.