BarleyMcDougal said:
CNC said:
BarleyMcDougal said:
CNC said:
Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.
Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.
I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.
Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
The volleyball player narrative against Briles has always been incredibly weak. It could've been used to convict half the athletic department (many in leadership heard this tale a year or two after it happened, no one went to TItle IX because it didn't exist, and no one went to JA because they didn't know they were supposed to in this weird set of old facts), which of course means it was an institutional issue. The fact that it has been a bell cow for the witch hunters from the beginning is extremely troubling regarding what else the BOR did (or did not) have.
This answer alleges more salient facts. 1 - the complainant apparently did go to a counselor under the purview of JA. 2 - the athletic department was apparently acting under old guidance that said "do not" go to JA if the complainant is unwilling and 3 - only go to JA through particular athletic department personnel, and this item had already gone up the chain within the AD. These allegations further weaken what was already an incredibly weak story. Add that all the players sans one were gone, and that player was promptly removed from the team.
Add to that the personal narrative from Barnes regarding his and the vball player and her family's very positive account of Briles' behavior, and it's a real shame this particular story was ever part of the narrative The fact that it was makes me question the entire narrative.
The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.