Dman said:boognish_bear said:
After 3 years BT is starting to getting tired of the CAB story
When talking about him $uits her purpo$e again. $he will be rejuvenated.
xiledinok said:REX said:xiledinok said:Bearish said:Chuckroast said:If I were him, I would feel outrage at the way I've been portrayed. Any story that sheds light on the truth should be welcomed.BellCountyBear said:I know it's about Art Briles. Duh.EvilTroyAndAbed said:How do you know what it's about?BellCountyBear said:
BI don't care that the guy is coaching in America again. But to allow a documentary to be made about his "triumphant return" to coaching tells all I need to know about his ridiculous ego.
If I were him, I would be appreciative to have a job I love in the state I love and leave it at that.
The media has unfairly crucified the guy, without knowing anything beyond what the rest of us do. That's fair. But, Art had a chance to control much of this narrative with the libel lawsuit. He sold that right for more than $15MM.
He's a high price ***** who raped Baylor and stained college football. Now, he's famous but not for coaching. The college football powers made him an example.
Still no sleep I see
Plenty. Slept well.
Sitting here waiting quietly laughing at how Art's mini men are on a Baylor message board defending his bought off reputation.
I haven't been able to read the Wall Street Journal this morning. What are you doing this morning?
REX said:xiledinok said:REX said:xiledinok said:Bearish said:Chuckroast said:If I were him, I would feel outrage at the way I've been portrayed. Any story that sheds light on the truth should be welcomed.BellCountyBear said:I know it's about Art Briles. Duh.EvilTroyAndAbed said:How do you know what it's about?BellCountyBear said:
BI don't care that the guy is coaching in America again. But to allow a documentary to be made about his "triumphant return" to coaching tells all I need to know about his ridiculous ego.
If I were him, I would be appreciative to have a job I love in the state I love and leave it at that.
The media has unfairly crucified the guy, without knowing anything beyond what the rest of us do. That's fair. But, Art had a chance to control much of this narrative with the libel lawsuit. He sold that right for more than $15MM.
He's a high price ***** who raped Baylor and stained college football. Now, he's famous but not for coaching. The college football powers made him an example.
Still no sleep I see
Plenty. Slept well.
Sitting here waiting quietly laughing at how Art's mini men are on a Baylor message board defending his bought off reputation.
I haven't been able to read the Wall Street Journal this morning. What are you doing this morning?
Just hanging out
Bearish said:Chuckroast said:If I were him, I would feel outrage at the way I've been portrayed. Any story that sheds light on the truth should be welcomed.BellCountyBear said:I know it's about Art Briles. Duh.EvilTroyAndAbed said:How do you know what it's about?BellCountyBear said:
BI don't care that the guy is coaching in America again. But to allow a documentary to be made about his "triumphant return" to coaching tells all I need to know about his ridiculous ego.
If I were him, I would be appreciative to have a job I love in the state I love and leave it at that.
The media has unfairly crucified the guy, without knowing anything beyond what the rest of us do. That's fair. But, Art had a chance to control much of this narrative with the libel lawsuit. He sold that right for more than $15MM.
If they were innocent how could their futures be in jeopardy?Chuckroast said:Bearish said:Chuckroast said:If I were him, I would feel outrage at the way I've been portrayed. Any story that sheds light on the truth should be welcomed.BellCountyBear said:I know it's about Art Briles. Duh.EvilTroyAndAbed said:How do you know what it's about?BellCountyBear said:
BI don't care that the guy is coaching in America again. But to allow a documentary to be made about his "triumphant return" to coaching tells all I need to know about his ridiculous ego.
If I were him, I would be appreciative to have a job I love in the state I love and leave it at that.
The media has unfairly crucified the guy, without knowing anything beyond what the rest of us do. That's fair. But, Art had a chance to control much of this narrative with the libel lawsuit. He sold that right for more than $15MM.
Not the right chronology. He accepted a buyout of his contract. Many months later as certain board members began pushing a narrative that mischaracterized him, Briles filed his libel suit. I think he dropped that suit when it became apparent his son would become a target. He decided to take it on the chin himself so that his son and the other coaches could move on.
Chuckroast said:Bearish said:Chuckroast said:If I were him, I would feel outrage at the way I've been portrayed. Any story that sheds light on the truth should be welcomed.BellCountyBear said:I know it's about Art Briles. Duh.EvilTroyAndAbed said:How do you know what it's about?BellCountyBear said:
BI don't care that the guy is coaching in America again. But to allow a documentary to be made about his "triumphant return" to coaching tells all I need to know about his ridiculous ego.
If I were him, I would be appreciative to have a job I love in the state I love and leave it at that.
The media has unfairly crucified the guy, without knowing anything beyond what the rest of us do. That's fair. But, Art had a chance to control much of this narrative with the libel lawsuit. He sold that right for more than $15MM.
Not the right chronology. He accepted a buyout of his contract. Many months later as certain board members began pushing a narrative that mischaracterized him, Briles filed his libel suit. I think he dropped that suit when it became apparent his son would become a target. He decided to take it on the chin himself so that his son and the other coaches could move on.
I enjoyed reading that. It pretty much lines up with what I've believed to be the case all along as well as what some friends in the athletic department have shared. Murff, Gray (still on the board), and Willis were on a mission to oust Starr and Briles.Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
And many, many others...CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
Baylor Judicial AffairsCNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Thanks X for proving my point.xiledinok said:CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Glad the dildo salesman, the Ken Lay of football coaches, Ian, Starr and a bunch of others are gone.
Only the naive and gullible think the athletic department and Briles didn't need to be cleansed.
I like robe touchers the best. Art was the precious king and knew it all. This is major college football. These coaches know everything.
I laughed at Shill giving wrong numbers to PH. They could not even act like they had clean hands.
Should fire them all including the football coach and the athletic director but you know that won't happen.CNC said:Thanks X for proving my point.xiledinok said:CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Glad the dildo salesman, the Ken Lay of football coaches, Ian, Starr and a bunch of others are gone.
Only the naive and gullible think the athletic department and Briles didn't need to be cleansed.
I like robe touchers the best. Art was the precious king and knew it all. This is major college football. These coaches know everything.
I laughed at Shill giving wrong numbers to PH. They could not even act like they had clean hands.
You're as gutless as those who you defend. I asked a very straight forward question, and you completely ignore it.
Coward. No way to spin that.
Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
Good point on #56. That is interesting.BarleyMcDougal said:CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
I should have been a lawyer.Quote:
85. Briles admits that the team won 10 games and that Robert Griffin III won the Heisman Trophy in 2011 but denies the remaining allegations in paragraph 26.
The volleyball player narrative against Briles has always been incredibly weak. It could've been used to convict half the athletic department (many in leadership heard this tale a year or two after it happened, no one went to TItle IX because it didn't exist, and no one went to JA because they didn't know they were supposed to in this weird set of old facts), which of course means it was an institutional issue. The fact that it has been a bell cow for the witch hunters from the beginning is extremely troubling regarding what else the BOR did (or did not) have.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Robert Wilson said:The volleyball player narrative against Briles has always been incredibly weak. It could've been used to convict half the athletic department (half the City of Waco heard this tale a year or two after it happened, no one went to TItle IX because it didn't exist, and no one went to JA because they didn't know they were supposed to in this weird set of old facts), which of course means it was an institutional issue. The fact that it has been a bell cow from the beginning is extremely troubling regarding what else the BOR did (or did not) have.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
This answer alleges more salient facts. 1 - she apparently did go to a counselor under the purview of JA. 2 - the athletic department was apparently acting under old guidance that said "do not" go to JA if the complainant is unwilling and 3 - only go to JA through particular personnel, and this item had already gone up the chain. These allegations weak what was already an incredibly weak story.
Add to that the personal narrative from Barnes regarding his and the vball player and her family's account of Briles' behavior, and it's a real shame this particular story was ever part of the narrative The fact that it was makes me question the entire narrative.
Then we have people like "X", who literally make stuff up on the fly and trying to tarnish people's reps for no real reason. Such an honorable guy.xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:The volleyball player narrative against Briles has always been incredibly weak. It could've been used to convict half the athletic department (half the City of Waco heard this tale a year or two after it happened, no one went to TItle IX because it didn't exist, and no one went to JA because they didn't know they were supposed to in this weird set of old facts), which of course means it was an institutional issue. The fact that it has been a bell cow from the beginning is extremely troubling regarding what else the BOR did (or did not) have.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
This answer alleges more salient facts. 1 - she apparently did go to a counselor under the purview of JA. 2 - the athletic department was apparently acting under old guidance that said "do not" go to JA if the complainant is unwilling and 3 - only go to JA through particular personnel, and this item had already gone up the chain. These allegations weak what was already an incredibly weak story.
Add to that the personal narrative from Barnes regarding his and the vball player and her family's account of Briles' behavior, and it's a real shame this particular story was ever part of the narrative The fact that it was makes me question the entire narrative.
Any truth to the rumor Barnes' buyout was higher because he helped sweep this one under the rug?
Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
CNC said:Then we have people like "X", who literally make stuff up on the fly and trying to tarnish people's reps for no real reason. Such an honorable guy.xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:The volleyball player narrative against Briles has always been incredibly weak. It could've been used to convict half the athletic department (half the City of Waco heard this tale a year or two after it happened, no one went to TItle IX because it didn't exist, and no one went to JA because they didn't know they were supposed to in this weird set of old facts), which of course means it was an institutional issue. The fact that it has been a bell cow from the beginning is extremely troubling regarding what else the BOR did (or did not) have.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
This answer alleges more salient facts. 1 - she apparently did go to a counselor under the purview of JA. 2 - the athletic department was apparently acting under old guidance that said "do not" go to JA if the complainant is unwilling and 3 - only go to JA through particular personnel, and this item had already gone up the chain. These allegations weak what was already an incredibly weak story.
Add to that the personal narrative from Barnes regarding his and the vball player and her family's account of Briles' behavior, and it's a real shame this particular story was ever part of the narrative The fact that it was makes me question the entire narrative.
Any truth to the rumor Barnes' buyout was higher because he helped sweep this one under the rug?
Funny. I told them to contact you every night. I told them you were a big spender. Heavy hitter. $25 is about right you big boy you.Stan Mikita said:Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
Some feel compelled to tell the world how much money they won't spend by posting it on a message board related to the school they cannot stand. The Big 12 and college football believe they can make more money and promote their brand better without a foolish scandal and coach.Thee University said:Funny. I told them to contact you every night. I told them you were a big spender. Heavy hitter. $25 is about right you big boy you.Stan Mikita said:Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
No, it is a CAB slanted documentary. It will be a super market tabloid CAB version of the events.MommaBear said:
WFAA???
Dale Hansen absolutely HATES Briles along with pretty much anything Baylor. Mike Leslie has also shown a lot of hate towards Baylor and Briles, but not quite as venomous as Dale Hansen.
If Hansen gets to add any commentary to this documentary, it won't be complimentary at all.
And you are proud of this? What a loser you are to brag.Stan Mikita said:Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
and yet here you are wasting time on this board....Stan Mikita said:Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
Cabers are attention *****s, it's the only high they have in lieu of relevance in big boy football discussions.sswienton said:and yet here you are wasting time on this board....Stan Mikita said:Baylor has gotten about $25 out of me and my extended family since May 2016. I bought 1 football ticket in 2017. I have replied to every email from anyone from Baylor with "Please don't contact me ever again," including a few from Linda Livingstone.Robert Wilson said:The whole thing is really just a very sad tale of mismanagement from about every angle imaginable.BarleyMcDougal said:Did the volleyball player testify that she went to the counseling center? I don't recall that, but obviously it could have happened. I definitely remember Lozano saying they handed her some pamphlets about self worth.CNC said:I think that paragraph #58 was the volleyball player's testimony.BarleyMcDougal said:Lozano never claimed she was raped, only a victim of domestic abuse from Chafin. Just fyi.CNC said:Robert Wilson said:
That federal court answer by Briles (Cannon and Nesbitt) is a pretty good read, since some people around here read court pleadings as if they are 100% gospel. Covers both the WSJ article and the volleyball player incident in reasonable detail.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Defendant+Art+Briles'+Original+Answer+filed+8-30-18.pdf
Only skimmed it, didn't get to read it. Going to mention only a tiny bit: Page 20, Paragraph 58.Quote:
58. The young woman at issue in this allegation alleged in a federal lawsuit that she had reported the incident to the Baylor University counseling center, and named names of football players. According to the complainant, the counselor tried to talk her out of reporting the incident. The Counseling Center is under the auspices of Judicial Affairs.
How does X and his crew defend this? A young woman comes to you and claimed she has been raped with details and with names and wants to pursue legal action.
And you try to talk her out of it? This is our counseling center, which is under JA. This is the version of BU you defend. It has nothing to do with CAB or CABers or whatever stupid nicknames you use.
No Title 9 office at the time, with a counseling center/JA department that's evidently a complete joke. So we fire the football coach & AD?
To me this is more disgusting than anything that will come out of these "hidden facts" people on here claim to know.
The naming of (multiple) names that I remember was supposedly the volleyball player's mother giving a coach (supposedly Kaz) a list. This is what happens when lawsuits start running together. But, it does say "this allegation", so I'd assume that's in reference to the lawsuit that required a rebuttal.
I have to say that paragraph 56 is the most compelling, in my opinion, and one that I had not read before. The policies it references are a pretty compelling defense.
Anybody want to refute that? Keyser normally has a different take.
Makes it tough to really sink your teeth into Baylor sports anymore, at least for me personally. This led me on a roundabout way to agree with the witch hunters on one thing .... I did decide to re prioritize. Baylor sports just aren't that important. What a sad mess.
Oh they will. Most of their opponents had losing records last year.zunooreo said:
I hope Mt Vernon wins a lot of football games and makes the state playoffs. A lot. Why? Simply because football is a game you play to win.
Move on......
Sic'em
