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I agree with most of what you say, but struggle with "our system has been teaching us all that black skin is threatening". Don't think it is really "our system", just inherent human nature since the beginning. Which makes it doubly difficult to address. Sad times.

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Racism in American is contingent--we had a choice. In peace and non-judgment, I beg you to read Jemar Tisby's, The Color of Compromise.

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Timbear said:

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People want honesty, so, someone tell me why National Black leaders and prominent Dems never speak to the younger Black Community about Responsibility, Accountability, getting an Education and Hardwork? They talk plenty about Victimhood. The young Black culture is dominated by music, clothing styles and language that is abhorrent to many in the Adult, educated White Community. Before anyone wears a t-shirt saying some group matters, they need to go out and make sure that they do all they can for Their own life to matter.

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BaylorBears_254 said:

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I see it like this...Whites will NEVER know what it's like to be in a Black Man or Women's shoes to even understand just a littttllle bit.

Honestly i could go deeper and use our very own players who were accused of rape, but i'd rather not go deep into that.

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BaylorBears_254 said:

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You say all this to say "it will not come from rioting and looting", but tell me this...

What happened to MLK, a peaceful protester? Murdered

What happened to Malcolm X, a protester who was more for fighting back? Murdered

My thing is, no matter what happens, someone will ALWAYS have a problem with the movement.

Peaceful protest? Yall will shout out, it's doing nothing and still treat them as if they aren't important.

Rioting? Call them thugs

Kneeling? Call them out because your "great great grandfathers fought for this land; yet blacks fought as well for this land to m gain their freedom, but were STILL DENIED it.

I'll end my discussion here tho, no matter what these movements do...they'll be labeled something and the plot will be twisted over and over again.

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So, yes, we live in a fallen world. But let's not scapegoat real problems with racism and a system that is rigged against people of color by throwing up our hands and saying it's the natural byproduct of a sinful world. That's factually true, but it disregards meaningful action that can (and is, in the form of protests and police reform) take place in modern American society. We can be better, and we must.

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jbbear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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It confuses me how some do not seem to have empathy for the African American community. The totality of their experience in America has been horrifying.

I think some believe that once they gained legal equal rights everything was equalized and now it's "their" fault for not getting out of poverty without acknowledging as a community they were set so far back by the history of slavery and second class status.

Take two minutes to listen to MLK talk about the notion of the African American community lifting themselves up by their boot straps.

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Just out of curiosity, can you explain how the Jews survived and have subsequently thrived after atrocities way worse than anything suffered in this country? I'll give you some hints.....family structure and education.

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historian said:

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So, yes, we live in a fallen world. But let's not scapegoat real problems with racism and a system that is rigged against people of color by throwing up our hands and saying it's the natural byproduct of a sinful world. That's factually true, but it disregards meaningful action that can (and is, in the form of protests and police reform) take place in modern American society. We can be better, and we must.

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Nobody did that. It's not scapegoating to point out facts and you miss the point: the solutions to these problems are not going to come through riots & looting. They are unlikely to come from anything posted on these boards.

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historian said:

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Prior to the Great Society, the greatest source of strength for blacks in the U.S. were their families & their churches. In the years since, both institutions have declined dramatically leaving many blacks in desperate straights. I don't have all the answers but I am reasonably certain that solutions to anyone's problems are unlikely to come from the government.

Scariest words in the English language: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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TrustTheProcess said:

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You can't legislate MORALS and BELIEFS.....regardless of the classes you may force people to take.

Earn respect - and equality - -

1. Stop using the term African American. It's offensive. I don't call myself Spanish American
2. All you Professional Sports Stars, Actors, Rappers, etc....start using your platform to educate your communities to be better people. Stop victimizing your "followers" when you promote a $200 pair of tennis shoes. Rather, how about moving those jobs to their communities to make those products you promote?
3. Stop saying the N word in your music, movies, etc. If it's offensive for a non-black to say it, why isn't' it offensive for you to say it?
4. Men - if you are going to have sex - - USE A CONDOM. And stop screwing 4 different women and leaving them high and dry with kids.
5. Women - respect your man. Realize it's hard for them to do the right thing. Instead of telling them they will amount to nothing, how about supporting them.
6. Stop the abortions!! You have killed off 50 million of your own kind since the 70/s.....50 million!!!

All People need to respect All People. If you can't remember at 5pm each day what nice thing you did in the day - then you aren't being a productive member of the World.

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TrustTheProcess said:

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You can't legislate MORALS and BELIEFS.....regardless of the classes you may force people to take.

Earn respect - and equality - -

1. Stop using the term African American. It's offensive. I don't call myself Spanish American
2. All you Professional Sports Stars, Actors, Rappers, etc....start using your platform to educate your communities to be better people. Stop victimizing your "followers" when you promote a $200 pair of tennis shoes. Rather, how about moving those jobs to their communities to make those products you promote?
3. Stop saying the N word in your music, movies, etc. If it's offensive for a non-black to say it, why isn't' it offensive for you to say it.
4. Men - if you are going to have sex - - USE A CONDOM. And stop screwing 4 different women and leaving them high and dry with kids.
5. Women - respect your man. Realize it's hard for them to do the right thing. Instead of telling them they will amount to nothing, how about supporting them.
6. Stop the abortions!! You have killed off 50 million of your own kind since the 70/s.....50 million!!!

All People need to respect All People. If you can't remember at 5pm each day what nice thing you did in the day - then you aren't being a productive member of the World.

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jbbear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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It confuses me how some do not seem to have empathy for the African American community. The totality of their experience in America has been horrifying.

I think some believe that once they gained legal equal rights everything was equalized and now it's "their" fault for not getting out of poverty without acknowledging as a community they were set so far back by the history of slavery and second class status.

Take two minutes to listen to MLK talk about the notion of the African American community lifting themselves up by their boot straps.

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Just out of curiosity, can you explain how the Jews survived and have subsequently thrived after atrocities way worse than anything suffered in this country? I'll give you some hints.....family structure and education.

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Timbear said:

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Aren't African American athletes at Baylor treated well? Both men and women? Is it that Black students are not asked to be in Fraternities and Sororities? Can someone who's on campus answer that? All students at Baylor are at a great University, getting an excellent education, if they apply themselves. Will Pres Livingstone saying "Black Lives Matter" increase anyone's GPA? Of course not. No one is denied access to any Major, or building or opportunity or facility or conversation or place of Worship or whatever, at Baylor. The fact that some people decide not to donate once they've graduated is an individual decision. Don't put that on Baylor. Someone please tell us, where's the bias, prejudice and racism at Baylor? Honestly, no sarcasm.

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ImwithBU said:

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Timbear said:

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Aren't African American athletes at Baylor treated well? Both men and women? Is it that Black students are not asked to be in Fraternities and Sororities? Can someone who's on campus answer that? All students at Baylor are at a great University, getting an excellent education, if they apply themselves. Will Pres Livingstone saying "Black Lives Matter" increase anyone's GPA? Of course not. No one is denied access to any Major, or building or opportunity or facility or conversation or place of Worship or whatever, at Baylor. The fact that some people decide not to donate once they've graduated is an individual decision. Don't put that on Baylor. Someone please tell us, where's the bias, prejudice and racism at Baylor? Honestly, no sarcasm.

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Now some Baylor folks will cheer African American athletes for 4 hours on Saturday only to call them thugs and dancing Nuggs and other stuff once they graduate. These same bigots where happy to cheer The KDs and Oakmans of the world when they were getting TDs and sacks for your favorite college team.

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ImwithBU said:

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As a black man I will address this. This line of thinking is part of the problem. Fact is most races are killed by their own race. Whites kill whites. Blacks kill blacks and so on. It's proximity, it's the reason most investigations begin with the family and close family ties. Check the crime and FBI database if you need proof.

The problem with your argument is black on black crime is controlled by blacks. That's on us to clean up. Cops killing blacks is on cops. You can't tell the victim not to be a victim. you can't tell someone who is oppressed not to be oppressed, it's up to the oppressor to stop that situation.

And spare me with the all lives matter bull***** No one is saying all lives don't matter. But your life isn't the one at risk. Assume you live in a neighborhood and your house is on fire. The fire department shows up and sprays your neighbors home but does nothing for your home, because all houses matter. Of course your neighbors house matters but your neighbors house isn't on fire, yours is.

We have to have talks about how to keep your hands visible when pulled over. How to keep your registeration visible, how to keep your wallet visible. I'm a doctor riding around with a Baylor alumni plate because my family feels this lowers cops anxiety levels when they pull me over for driving a nice car while being a young black guy.

I don't expect you to understand because it's not your life. Just like I don't understand what a Muslim or Jew goes through in this country. But I don't understand how people always try to justify black people being Murdered by cops. This guy supposedly had a counterfeit bill or something of that nature. Yet you have a guy shoot up an entire church Killing several( yea he was white) and he gets handcuffed and his day in court.

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