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Speaking of the support he would have at UK and the seat there perpetually at least luke warm from the get go, compared to his support here, I would just add there is no need for Baylor people to be worshipping the UK HC and defending him as the HC there should he leave. I'm not saying he needs to be hated or anything. But the personality cult thing that is fairly prevalent here and too much for my taste but is sometimes understandable for a sitting HC here with a record like Drew's here, should end if and when he terminates the contract for another program.

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Don't agree. I put people over institutions any day. Drew is a great guy and has not only done a lot for Baylor but also for the men he has coached. By all accounts, he approaches his role with a missions mindset while coaching his players to be the best players and people they can be. People like that deserve our respect and support. If he feels led to leave, I'll support him all the way but will also miss him.

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Why do we think Scott Drew is the only coach that can be successful at Baylor? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that.

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Actually, there is our entire basketball history prior to his arrival worth of reasons to believe that. But I don't agree that he is the only one, just one of the few.

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What you are saying is that he might have been the only one to do what has been done. But we are not in that situation any longer. Big difference.

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Of course I understand Mulkey's success. Having said that, Mulkey was not someone I would consider a career lifetime coach. Based only on success, ok, but Teaff she has never been nor will ever be. Just my take. Hated to see her go, but she could have stayed and Baylor will not be bowed her. I don't know that it was coming, but sure seems like it was. Just by two cents.

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You are right. She was not Teaff. She was better.

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She was more successful coach. She was a much worse human being and representative of Baylor University. Give me Grant Teaff any day.

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I'll take the wins.

Not an average, barely above .500 coach that is a nice guy/girl.

Give me the wins.

As @keithtaylor21 first reported, Scott Drew did receive an offer from Kentucky last night.

Was told this morning that he has the "itch" to coach at Kentucky, but his wife is "very introverted". He also has a daughter who attends Baylor and two sons in high school.

They spent…

— Tristan Pharis (@TristanUda) April 10, 2024

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Why do we think Scott Drew is the only coach that can be successful at Baylor? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that.

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There are a lot of reasons to be bullish on the program post-Drew, especially if we bring back a guy like Tang that understands the culture and the program. CSD was/is a great coach, but let's not act like 1 Final Four in 20+ years (albeit in the natty year) is the ceiling for this program.

That said, it's fine to mourn Drew's departure. The guy basically is Baylor men's basketball.

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These points are absurd, 1 final four in 20 years is unheard of with our program. Drew's success here is insane. He was rebuilding this program from literally nothing.

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Why do we think Scott Drew is the only coach that can be successful at Baylor? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that.

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Actually, there is our entire basketball history prior to his arrival worth of reasons to believe that. But I don't agree that he is the only one, just one of the few.

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We never put the money to win into the program until perhaps just a few years before Drew was hired at the earliest. Baylor in fact didnt put the $$ to win into any athletic program until about that time.

I know a lot of people like to crap on Rhule.... but he showed we could still have great success after a super successful program builder like Briles left..... especially if you are one of those who gives him legacy credit for the 2021 team success.

Drew has elevated the program so much from where it was when he arrived. We should be in a good position to sustain this success.

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This isn't an institution of football (or basketball). Baylor we are and Baylor we will always be. Banners fly forever, enjoy '21, we got lucky af to have CSD and CAB for the time we had them and accept the reality we don't have the stones to be a major player. It is what it is.

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We don't have the lineup to play with the really big boys. We have big HR hitters but don't have enough of the doubles and triples people to play in the upper echelon. We will never be a Goliath. And anyone who thinks David's shot wasn't an anomaly (or guided by God in my case) or would be a regular result is silly. Our NIL will not compete with almost any major state school. To blame Mack for that is coping. It is imperative that our coaches know how to maximize NIL. I give Aranda one more year to figure that out, because I know that he is incredibly respected for his X & O's knowledge in HS and college circles. I absolutely loved the CAB days but looking back can understand what they were. We should have been given the chance but we would not have beaten Alabama in any playoff. Lots of his kids got drafted and almost none of them stayed in the league more than a couple of years. He was a an awesome football magician, who probably would have left for a big time program if not for the scandal. Mulkey... i probably know more than I should but I loved her strictly because she won. Nothing else about her was desirable as a representation of Baylor and I cannot imagine what she would have been like with NIL in place. I don't have sources in the program anymore, but I can almost guarantee the basketball office is a better place to work without her there. She is the bad side of Bobby Knight without the witty humor.

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I don't care how a coaches players perform in the NFL. I care about wins at Baylor. I have always and will always hate that argument when talking about coaches.

No one says that about Saban and his lack of QBs or running backs lasting in the NFL for much of his time at Bama.

Also, no one at Bama cared that they did not win Heisman trophies because they were winning National Championships (they only won their first Heisman two years before Baylor got one)

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Nobody cared about Bama QB's or RB's (almost all of which were as or more successful than ours) because they kept talking about the LB's, DL's, OL's, DB's and WR's who were killing it in the NFL and didn't have enough time to get to the QB's and RB's. Saban won with defense and the vast majority of his defenders were successful in the NFL. We won with offense, and almost none of ours made it 3 years as a starter. How many teams have made the CFP without NFL talent? Probably very few if any. It will get better with the new system but the final 2 will still be filled with NFL talent 95% of the time.

And I loved the CAB days! Exciting and fun!

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As @keithtaylor21 first reported, Scott Drew did receive an offer from Kentucky last night.

Was told this morning that he has the "itch" to coach at Kentucky, but his wife is "very introverted". He also has a daughter who attends Baylor and two sons in high school.

They spent…

— Tristan Pharis (@TristanUda) April 10, 2024

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Perhaps this was the flight mentioned by the ABC news producer in Lexington. Assuming Drew is on the flight. Maybe he is......

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Why do we think Scott Drew is the only coach that can be successful at Baylor? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that.

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Actually, there is our entire basketball history prior to his arrival worth of reasons to believe that. But I don't agree that he is the only one, just one of the few.

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We never put the money to win into the program until perhaps just a few years before Drew was hired at the earliest. Baylor in fact didnt put the $$ to win into any athletic program until about that time.

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Yeah there's a reason big donors don't give to this school, the school eventually turns on the great coaches they hire. Scott absolutely has to be thinking about that.

Scott Drew can live a semi-private life in Waco that he cannot live in Lexington.

He gone; Next up.

What is up with the point about his wife being introverted??

"His wife will ultimately follow what he decides to do, but he can live a semi-private life in Waco, that he cannot live in Lexington."

— Tristan Pharis (@TristanUda) April 10, 2024

My gut tells me Scott ends up staying in Waco. But this is the first time he's truly considered leaving since talking to Memphis in '09. And yes, he would've replaced Calipari at Memphis. (Josh Pastner landed that gig). https://t.co/M4nn6v18a9

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) April 10, 2024

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Why do we think Scott Drew is the only coach that can be successful at Baylor? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that.

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Actually, there is our entire basketball history prior to his arrival worth of reasons to believe that. But I don't agree that he is the only one, just one of the few.

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We never put the money to win into the program until perhaps just a few years before Drew was hired at the earliest. Baylor in fact didnt put the $$ to win into any athletic program until about that time.

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Yeah there's a reason big donors don't give to this school, the school eventually turns on the great coaches they hire. Scott absolutely has to be thinking about that.

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So he's going to go to a place that will turn on him in the first six months? Heck, the first six weeks?

I've seen multiple sites say the plane traveled from Waco McGregor Airport to Lexington this morning is owned by Joe Craft.. Kentucky alum and one of richest men in the country.
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What is up with the point about his wife being introverted??

"His wife will ultimately follow what he decides to do, but he can live a semi-private life in Waco, that he cannot live in Lexington."

— Tristan Pharis (@TristanUda) April 10, 2024

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She'll be the one getting phone calls at night if he loses in the second round.

Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

In 2012, Scott Drew was the first man to ever come to Lexington and beat a John Calipari Kentucky Team in Rupp Arena

Ending a 55-0 streak that stretched back to 2009 pic.twitter.com/lubGsNzhWL

— Grant Peters (@Real_GP) April 10, 2024

The pressure at Kentucky is like Bama in football

I have no idea what my friend Scott Drew will do. I will wish him well either way, but what he has done Baylor will never be duplicated. It’s been 21 years, so do the research. 👍🏻🏀😉 https://t.co/btZ4yBJAek

— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) April 10, 2024

The Waco to Lexington flight is close and apparently there are tv crews at the airport pic.twitter.com/Oa4v9yEKIO

— Matt Jones (@KySportsRadio) April 10, 2024

Yup
Truly crazy that Drew is even considering the gig. Not saying UK is a bad gig it's one of If not the premier gig in CBB. It's just such an odd fit. Drew to my knowledge hasn't faced much fan backflash in Waco. He's going to get pummeled with backslash and fan hate the moment he loses his first game. Not to mention if he exits early in the dance….
He's got it made in Waco and has virtually no pressure. The literal opposite would be in case in Lexington

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

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What is your source or example for the NIL comment? Iirc, we won 3 battles last year, and one high profile one in Edgecombe

Caleb Lohner entered the Transfer Portal with with a ‘do not contact’ notation @On3sports has learned.

— Jamie Shaw (@JamieShaw5) April 10, 2024

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

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What is your source or example for the NIL comment? Iirc, we won 3 battles last year, and one high profile one in Escombe.

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Everything I hear about Trey Johnson was it was a bidding war we lost.

Going to go crazy lol

Just to clear up the flight stuff, Scott Drew himself is not personally in Lexington

— Matt Jones (@KySportsRadio) April 10, 2024

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

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What is your source or example for the NIL comment? Iirc, we won 3 battles last year, and one high profile one in Escombe.

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Everything I hear about Trey Johnson was it was a bidding war we lost.

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Do you really expect Baylor to match the resources of the game's biggest blue bloods? That's not going to happen consistently. It's frankly a minor miracle that we've been in as many of those battles as we have.

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

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What is your source or example for the NIL comment? Iirc, we won 3 battles last year, and one high profile one in Escombe.

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Everything I hear about Trey Johnson was it was a bidding war we lost.

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Do you expect Baylor to match the resources of the haves biggest blue bloods. That's not going to happen. It's frankly a minor miracle that we've been in as many of those battles as we have.

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No, but Trey Johnson did not go to a blue blood.

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Ok, I get your meaning, but did you get mine? He could win multiple additional Nattys right here, and there is no impediment to that. To the contrary, we have given him literally everything he has asked for, and he is in the top 6 in salary now. He has a shiney new basketball arena, a bevy of donors willing to give more, a good staff, and a nice class coming in. Regrettably, despite all the reasons he should stay, I think he's going to leave, along with this class, and likely some existing players. If this does happen, my vote is for McClaslin, first because he's a helluva coach, knows the culture, and best of all would stick to TTU for the McGuire fiasco.

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I want to believe this, but we're still losing recruiting battles over NIL. It's just not true we're giving him everything he needs, I don't think we realistically can.

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What is your source or example for the NIL comment? Iirc, we won 3 battles last year, and one high profile one in Escombe.

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18 months ago we announced a $3.5 million NIL budget for the athletic program according to On3. They also reported Arkansas is setting up a $5 million NIL budget just for basketball. Our coaches do not have everything they need. I'm not advocating that we have to match those numbers, but the truth is the truth.

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