IowaBear said:

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Be prepared to be pissed. I can guarantee he's going to be hyping up Tounde and Baylor's streak of having a 1st round pick

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BabyJBear said:

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Of course he's going to brag about his draft picks. He has to sell the program, and what else does he have to brag about at the moment? We're not going to get better by ceasing to attract talent. Drew is insanely competitive. He wants to win. The combo of roster attrition, questionable roster construction for 2-3 years, injuries, and constant staff churn has the program in a rut. They need to get back to developing multi year guys, not just because that's what all successful programs do but because the JOY culture specifically doesn't work right when every guy on the team has a dollar sign floating over his head at all times. That's the world we're in now, so how do you overcome it? Wish I knew, but gotta think roster continuity and multi year camaraderie is part of the solution.

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Bragging about draft picks when posting a losing record (and bottom three Big 12 record) shows where a coach's priorities are.

Do you think Kelvin Sampson is bragging about draft picks? **** no. He understands what his job is and what it isn't. I'm not sure Scott Drew does -- and he hasn't since the title season. We've been chasing shiny objects to our detriment since.

Big12Fan2024 said:

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Doug's Fan First Era is about to be tested. He's gonna have to get really creative to get anyone to show up for the final home games. The place may be empty for the Utah game.

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Going this Saturday vs ASU. My seats are in the rafters, but I figure we'll be able to work our way down to almost courtside midway thru the first half.

welcome to NIL where picking up a paycheck is all that matters.

dstaylor57 said:

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welcome to NIL where picking up a paycheck is all that matters.

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The NIL era is liberating for fans, if you let it be.

I no longer feel any obligation to these players or teams once the goals for a season are unmet.

If everything is going to be transactional, I'm going to treat it as such as a fan. When these sports become a bad investment of my time and money, I'm going to largely check out.

Time to go cruising for BB prospects in the intramural league...again.

As much as I like Scott Drew, he hit his pinnacle (ncaa championship) but has diminished greatly since then. He needs to go. All great coaches win a championship and then another. Drew is so far away from winning anything. He really needs to go but he has little Dougie on his side and a huge payday so unfortunately we are stuck with this crap for the foreseeable future.

This offseason will be very telling. If CSD brings in a bunch of seniors and grad transfers again, we know he is content remaining on the treadmill of mediocrity by continuing the trend of near 100% roster turnover. Let's see if he pivots and brings in guys with multiple years of eligibility and has a plan to rebuild and generate roster continuity. Let's see what he does with his coaching staff. In moments like this it helps to zoom out and look at the past 20 years as opposed to this season in isolation. Thanks to CSD we have been an elite program since 2010 so I am willing to wait and see what he does as a response to this disastorous season.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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This offseason will be very telling. If CSD brings in a bunch of seniors and grad transfers again, we know he is content remaining on the treadmill of mediocrity by continuing the trend of near 100% roster turnover. Let's see if he pivots and brings in guys with multiple years of eligibility and has a plan to rebuild and generate roster continuity. Let's see what he does with his coaching staff. In moments like this it helps to zoom out and look at the past 20 years as opposed to this season in isolation. Thanks to CSD we have been an elite program since 2010 so I am willing to wait and see what he does as a response to this disastorous season.

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If you just compare notes with the rosters 2010-2022, we were typically 9-10 deep. There might be a transfer or two sitting out the year and a walk on who gets the last scholarship. If the injury patterns hold next year we are going to need at least that kind of depth or we will end up in the same situation as this season and last. Obviously, the staff is aware of this. It appears to me that we have shortened the bench that last couple of years out of necessity to make the revenue mix work. I would like us to focus on transfers with 2 or more years of eligibility, but we are going to need scoring and may have to take what we can get.

Precisely, the exact brand of basketball we had in 2010-2011. The following few years went pretty well, as I recall. There were plenty of people on the "Drew sucks" bandwagon that season, too.

It's funny how the commentary round these parts vacillates from "Drew is a genius who will win multiple NCs" to "Drew is a clueless stubborn fool who is ruining the program."

The difference between Drew and Jim Boeheim, I believe, is that Drew has already shown he is willing to try new things. This year's "moneyball" strategy failed due to some poor evals (Rataj) and injuries.

Smashmouth said:

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As much as I like Scott Drew, he hit his pinnacle (ncaa championship) but has diminished greatly since then. He needs to go. All great coaches win a championship and then another. Drew is so far away from winning anything. He really needs to go but he has little Dougie on his side and a huge payday so unfortunately we are stuck with this crap for the foreseeable future.

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I think his past success should afford him another year to right the ship. But I'm not ready just yet to cut loose a coach who brought us our only NCAA championship.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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As much as it's easy for everyone to pile on, I do think the players on this team care about winning. One common denominator on all CSD teams is the guys always fight. I see tremendous effort from the players, just as every year. This team is just horrifically constructed, injured, and extremely poorly coached on both sides of the floor. It is what it is. We are playing an extremely low IQ, disjointed, and sloppy brand of basketball.

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I see your point, though internal dissension is not always a sign that the players care about winning.

It's the defensive side that concerns me most of all. Just letting a guard blow by you in the lane at will that's the most obvious sign, to me at least, that the players just want to get the defensive side of the ball finished as quickly as possible so that they can go back on offense. I've seen too much of that.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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This offseason will be very telling. If CSD brings in a bunch of seniors and grad transfers again, we know he is content remaining on the treadmill of mediocrity by continuing the trend of near 100% roster turnover. Let's see if he pivots and brings in guys with multiple years of eligibility and has a plan to rebuild and generate roster continuity. Let's see what he does with his coaching staff. In moments like this it helps to zoom out and look at the past 20 years as opposed to this season in isolation. Thanks to CSD we have been an elite program since 2010 so I am willing to wait and see what he does as a response to this disastorous season.

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Agreed, I'm piling in and probably deservedly so. But Drew has brought us our greatest success. So he deserves a chance to right the ship. If the situation is the same this time next year (not talking about records) then my opinion changes.

Robert Wilson said:

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I don't disagree with any of this, but I have a couple of fun observations.

Everybody wanted to pay players and give players a great deal of mobility, and now they are surprised that the whole thing has become transactional. Ok.

And I remember a lot of people criticizing Briles because the players that he won college games with did not do great in the NFL. OK. I'm glad we now all agree that the job of college coaches is to win college games.

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I don't think most fans wanted to pay players. They just understood it was an inevitability once the schools started making hundreds of millions of dollars off their names, images, likenesses and talents.

College athletics aren't broken because of the athletes. They're broken because of the schools, the fake (and largely unconstitutional) governing body they created/perpetuated and the environment they fostered by selling out at every stop for corporate greed.

bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I don't disagree with any of this, but I have a couple of fun observations.

Everybody wanted to pay players and give players a great deal of mobility, and now they are surprised that the whole thing has become transactional. Ok.

And I remember a lot of people criticizing Briles because the players that he won college games with did not do great in the NFL. OK. I'm glad we now all agree that the job of college coaches is to win college games.

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I don't think most fans wanted to pay players. They just understood it was an inevitability once the schools started making hundreds of millions of dollars off their names, images, likenesses and talents.

College athletics aren't broken because of the athletes. They're broken because of the schools, the fake (and largely unconstitutional) governing body they created/perpetuated and the environment they fostered by selling out at every stop for corporate greed.

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Yep (throw ESPN square into that mix too).

Players deserve a fair share of the revenue generated (as the great Abraham Lincoln once said, "Labor precedes Capital"). I don't think most fans thought it should happen via a completely unregulated labor market.

The NIL/Portal era is not a 'be careful what you wish for' situation - it's a 'we all knew the NCAA would royally mishandle this' situation that got magnified immensely by the bush league "agents" who are tragicomically only making things worse for everyone including themselves. That's not on the fans.

rock bottom is getting ready to head out of your dorm to watch the game and seeing the team on national news

bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I don't disagree with any of this, but I have a couple of fun observations.

Everybody wanted to pay players and give players a great deal of mobility, and now they are surprised that the whole thing has become transactional. Ok.

And I remember a lot of people criticizing Briles because the players that he won college games with did not do great in the NFL. OK. I'm glad we now all agree that the job of college coaches is to win college games.

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I don't think most fans wanted to pay players. They just understood it was an inevitability once the schools started making hundreds of millions of dollars off their names, images, likenesses and talents.

College athletics aren't broken because of the athletes. They're broken because of the schools, the fake (and largely unconstitutional) governing body they created/perpetuated and the environment they fostered by selling out at every stop for corporate greed.

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These athletes' unrealistic expectations haven't done the entire business any favors.

Actually rock bottom was when that one guy on our team killed the other guy.

Look, I'm not saying Scott Drew is going to turn us into perennial national champions. But he will get this ship righted. He's done it before, under much harder circumstances. And to think he's mailing it in and just accepting a paycheck is to be willfully ignorant of his personality and everything we have learned about him as head coach FOR OVER 20 YEARS. He's an extreme competitor and for the most part, forward thinker.

If we were to listen to some of you on here and run him off, he would end up at a "bigger" program within 18 months. Like whittingham to Michigan.

Him turning our program into a national title winner is literally, no hyperbole, the greatest turnaround in the history of college athletics. It's even more amazing than what Curt Cignetti just did. And for that, he will have my loyalty. Obviously some things need to change and we've been heading in a disappointing direction, but Y'all need some perspective.

Bearknuckle said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I don't disagree with any of this, but I have a couple of fun observations.

Everybody wanted to pay players and give players a great deal of mobility, and now they are surprised that the whole thing has become transactional. Ok.

And I remember a lot of people criticizing Briles because the players that he won college games with did not do great in the NFL. OK. I'm glad we now all agree that the job of college coaches is to win college games.

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I don't think most fans wanted to pay players. They just understood it was an inevitability once the schools started making hundreds of millions of dollars off their names, images, likenesses and talents.

College athletics aren't broken because of the athletes. They're broken because of the schools, the fake (and largely unconstitutional) governing body they created/perpetuated and the environment they fostered by selling out at every stop for corporate greed.

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Yep (throw ESPN square into that mix too).

Players deserve a fair share of the revenue generated (as the great Abraham Lincoln once said, "Labor precedes Capital"). I don't think most fans thought it should happen via a completely unregulated labor market.

The NIL/Portal era is not a 'be careful what you wish for' situation - it's a 'we all knew the NCAA would royally mishandle this' situation that got magnified immensely by the bush league "agents" who are tragicomically only making things worse for everyone including themselves. That's not on the fans.

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Oh, so do you and Bear2be expected that this new reality would spring up completely outside of the old reality that we were living in. That is cute as ****.

Y'all are sweet as hell, and if I had a slightly ugly and of completely average intelligence daughter, I would want you to marry her.